Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Also, he levitates Hey! HOY-cue-lees! * Are you talking ‘Penn and Teller’ type levitation or ‘Jesus Christ - Son of God - divine intervention’ levitation? Edited May 7, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, JohnC said: There is nothing unusual about receivers taking some time to develop into full fledge receivers in the league. The Steelers Ju Ju Smith-Schuster took some time before he became a good receiver for the Steelers. And now he is their primary receiver. Zay was a super productive college receiver for East Carolina, a second tier college program. So it shouldn't be surprising that there was an acclimation period for him. Let's not forget that this mostly possession receiver has had precision qbs throwing to him. Common John. Smith Schuster had nearly 1000 yards as a rookie and over 1400 as a second year pro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He had some pretty good games, he’s really the only WR they have who is able to work inside and outside. He’s shuffled QBs a ton. I’m willing to bet with some consistency at that position, he also shows consistency. He was also apparently injured and still played in his rookie year which resulted in a surgery that effected his participation in OTAs and training camp. Which would also effect any kind of offseason training he'd of wanted to do on his own. Then with the way last offseason went he'd of worked with McCarron and Peterman more than Allen and they I'm going to bet throw the ball very differently. I think he's got a chance to improve a lot this year with a full offseason and Allen set at #1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Good. We need competition at the wr position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I hope it works out for Zay. He seems like a good dude and a hard worker. I think that it is actually a positive sign that the Bills didn't take a WR in the draft. They must like what they have in Zay and Foster in order to not feel the need to draft one either early or late. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: Probably has more to do with the fact that he wasn't the best receiver on his college team even with the abs. Not sure how to tell you this, but Zay was not the best WR on his team last year either despite it being one of the worst groups in the NFL. Edited May 7, 2019 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Pulling for Zay, and let's be honest the off season could have two outlooks for Zay Take 1- They signed two guys, three if you count Williams from the CFL. They also dished out a handsome bonus to land Sills as a UDFA. They signed two tight ends if we count Fischer and his positional change, and drafted two more. They clearly want to add to the skill position core because it was lackluster. Or 2) Despite all of that, by some accounts WR wasnt even considered a high priority for the Bills brass in the draft. Therefore, there is still a very real possibility that there could be playing time up for grabs if Smokey Beasley and/or Foster start to slip up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Not sure how to tell you this, but Zay was not even the best WR on the worst WR group in the NFL last year, Foster was. Second, DK was having a big year before he got hurt and only had 50 yards less than AJ Brown at the time he got hurt with more TD's and while averaging 7 yards MORE per catch than AJ. Foster could end up better than Zay (Foster is a great fit for Allen) but they could also both end up being good (which I know is hard to fathom for Bills fans) Edited May 7, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, NewEra said: Sucks that you’re more of a DK fan than a Zay fan at this point. Except I'm not. So theres that too Just now, YoloinOhio said: Foster could end up better than Zay (Foster is a great for Allen) but they could also both end up being good (which I know is hard to fathom for Bills fans) I would love that...I will be pulling for Zay. I just found it ironic that people mocked DK for being ripped prior to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: So being ripped somehow meant DK sucked and nothing more than a physical freak...but now being ripped somehow means Zay hasn't sucked? LMAO, only on this board. & here I thought that "/sarcasm" indicated that everything before it was indeed intended to be sarcastic. Yet here you are, taking things far too seriously so now I'm wondering if I've been wrong all these years or, if perhaps it is you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: & here I thought that "/sarcasm" indicated that everything before it was indeed intended to be sarcastic. Yet here you are, taking things far too seriously so now I'm wondering if I've been wrong all these years or, if perhaps it is you? Hmmmm...sounds like you didn't know how to read the sarcasm correctly then. If you did, my response would make sense to you Edited May 7, 2019 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Josh Allen made him look a little more competent last year. I'm not saying it's time to move on from Zay but it's time to move on from believing he's going to turn into anything special. He's a complimentary guy and he'll play a few more seasons in the NFL then be an afterthought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Oh wow, another Zay Jones thiread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: Oh wow, another Zay Jones thiread. Fighting for screen time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Reppin' for Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Have been down on Jones since late last season but it is good to see him putting in the work. Not sure it will translate to catching and running away from defenders but it can't hurt. It is possible the added strength will allow him to be more of a physical wr that can body up and out muscle defenders. Make or break year for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Not sure how to tell you this, but Zay was not the best WR on his team last year either despite it being one of the worst groups in the NFL. That is very debatable. It was either him or Foster and I don't care what anyone on this board says, Zay was a good player the second half of last season. He had some really nice TD's and was getting open. I think he's going to have a good season. Edited May 7, 2019 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: But but he sucks /sarcasm But he does suck. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Zay isn’t as bad as a lot make him out to be. Issue is he’s just not a go to guy. He’s a complimentary piece to an offense and he can’t be a focal point like he’s been in his time here. I’m excited to see how he does this season with the pressure of being “the man” taken off. He’s surrounded by more talent and experience and should learn a great deal about running his routes and should also now draw waaaaaaaay easier coverage as the best defenders will be occupied by brown and Beasley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: This is a good thing. We saw a picture earlier in the offseason and he looks even stronger now. One of my concerns with Zay is that he lacks confidence. It's impossible to know what's going on in someone's head. Just pure speculation. Maybe getting ripped will help his overall mentality going against elite NFL CB's as opposed to AAC stiffs. This is a great point. Zay looks nothing like his college self. That version of the dude was making acrobatic, one handed, contested catching and making people look silly. He had a swagger about his game. You could tell he wanted the ball. This version just seems like a shell of that guy. I hope he gets it back becuase it is in there somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: That is very debatable. It was either him or Foster and I don't care what anyone on this board says, Zay was a good player the second half of last season. He had some really nice TD's and was getting open. I think he's going to have a good season. Agreed, it is debatable and the answer would not be unanimous no matter who someone picked out of Zay or Foster as best WR last year. But I would bet that the over whelming majority would say Foster was the better WR down the stretch than Zay. And IMO, that is the correct answer. We have very different definitions of "good player" the 2nd Half the season...especially since he was terrible in weeks 14, 15 and 16. He played 6 games with Allen to end the season. He was terrible in 4 of them. Had 2 "good" games against a bad Miami team, yet he also dropped a critical catch that was a perfect throw by Allen that was one of the main reasons we lost the first Miami game. So even in one of his "good" games, he came up short when the team needed him to make the play...again. All water under the bridge now though...its all on him to make the most of his chances and prove he is better than what he's been for 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Hahaha, when you said Zay looked ripped I expected to see some bloodshot eyes. Hey, he looks good, I just hope that he has a better year. I call him Fry Pan Jones to my kids but hey, I’ve been wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 50 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Except I'm not. So theres that too I would love that...I will be pulling for Zay. I just found it ironic that people mocked DK for being ripped prior to this. People mocked DK for several reasons. The fact that he looked all roided up just added fuel to the fire. Zay looks jacked, but not DK jacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Yep, those are nipples all right! 1st thing i wanna know about any wr.... But seriously, a shirtless pic of a wr was bound to get at least 3 pages right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, mattynh said: can you catch with a six pack? I can throw darts while drinking one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 45 minutes ago, White Linen said: Josh Allen made him look a little more competent last year. I'm not saying it's time to move on from Zay but it's time to move on from believing he's going to turn into anything special. He's a complimentary guy and he'll play a few more seasons in the NFL then be an afterthought. This year i believe will be very telling- many players break put their third year- especially if he surrounded by competent people. I just do not find it smart to write off players after 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Zay isn’t as bad as a lot make him out to be. Issue is he’s just not a go to guy. He’s a complimentary piece to an offense and he can’t be a focal point like he’s been in his time here. I’m excited to see how he does this season with the pressure of being “the man” taken off. He’s surrounded by more talent and experience and should learn a great deal about running his routes and should also now draw waaaaaaaay easier coverage as the best defenders will be occupied by brown and Beasley Actually, I dont think anyone thinks Zay is much worse than what you described. I think its more like people are not satisfied with a second round pick we traded up for and a 2 year full time starter to still be struggling with catching the ball and not being reliable or a go to guy. I do agree with you that maybe the presence of the other WR's could take some pressure off him and let him get more comfortable, especially if he draws the lesser DBs. Then again, if someone isn't mentally strong enough to handle being the man as a 2nd round pick who set NCAA records, then its also possible he could struggle with handling the pressure of having more competition for his reps with better players in the WR room. Could go either way really, lets hope it goes the way of making him more comfortable. Hope the kid succeeds, we will find out soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Actually, I dont think anyone thinks Zay is much worse than what you described. I think its more like people are not satisfied with a second round pick we traded up for and a 2 year full time starter to still be struggling with catching the ball and not being reliable or a go to guy. I do agree with you that maybe the presence of the other WR's could take some pressure off him and let him get more comfortable, especially if he draws the lesser DBs. Then again, if someone isn't mentally strong enough to handle being the man as a 2nd round pick who set NCAA records, then its also possible he could struggle with handling the pressure of having more competition for his reps with better players in the WR room. Could go either way really, lets hope it goes the way of making him more comfortable. Hope the kid succeeds, we will find out soon enough. Well I think one thing the entire board can agree on is this is probably his last shot with buffalo to be on the team. If he survives cuts and plays this year he’s going to need to live up to the draft status or there’s really no reason to keep him next year. Especially if foster continues to improve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: This is a great point. Zay looks nothing like his college self. That version of the dude was making acrobatic, one handed, contested catching and making people look silly. He had a swagger about his game. You could tell he wanted the ball. This version just seems like a shell of that guy. I hope he gets it back becuase it is in there somewhere. Exactly my point. There's really no way to quantify or prove it, but he doesn't APPEAR to be confident. He was exactly as you described at ECU. WR's really need to have supreme belief in their ability. There are times that is SEEMS like Zay feels overmatched. Catching the ball is mental. A guy who had terrific hands in college doesn't forget HOW to catch the ball. Getting ripped/feeling good COULD go a long way for ZJ if my assumption is correct and confidence is an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said: Exactly my point. There's really no way to quantify or prove it, but he doesn't APPEAR to be confident. He was exactly as you described at ECU. WR's really need to have supreme belief in their ability. There are times that is SEEMS like Zay feels overmatched. Catching the ball is mental. A guy who had terrific hands in college doesn't forget HOW to catch the ball. Getting ripped/feeling good COULD go a long way for ZJ if my assumption is correct and confidence is an issue. I would add, Zay showed some of that in his rookie year preseason making some exciting grabs. But after week 2 fiasco, he looked lost and pretty much couldn't catch anything. Makes me wonder if he can handle the ups and downs of being a professional athlete or not. We will see, hope the kid puts it all behind him and shows big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, JohnC said: There is nothing unusual about receivers taking some time to develop into full fledge receivers in the league. The Steelers Ju Ju Smith-Schuster took some time before he became a good receiver for the Steelers. And now he is their primary receiver. Zay was a super productive college receiver for East Carolina, a second tier college program. So it shouldn't be surprising that there was an acclimation period for him. Let's not forget that this mostly possession receiver has had precision qbs throwing to him. I doubt that he is going to be a primary receiver for us because he doesn't have the required explosive or even quick traits on the field. But that doesn't mean that he can't be a solid to good receiver for us. I'm looking for him to step it up this year. Huh? Juju almost had 1,000 yards as a rookie in 14 games and had 1,400 yards in his second season. But the Bills has no shot at drafting him. Oh wait... and it it seems like he is having a better offseason than last year. Still a really bad trade and getting ripped as receiver really means nothing. But as a 3rd type receiver, he is ok. Edited May 7, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He was never fat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is this intentional "salt shaking"? One of the primary beefs around here is that Smith-Schuster hit >70% of his catches for 917 yds during his rookie season, while Zay was struggling to catch just over 1/3 of his targets for 316 yds, after we traded up to take him ahead of Smith-Schuster. Somehow the fact that Smith-Schuster was catching passes from a HOF QB and playing across from a HOF WR on a top-10 offense while Zay was catching passes from Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Peterman, doesn't factor into the TBD assessment. Daboll likes to scheme his receivers open, and Zay was open as schemed many a time Allen either didn't process his reads far enough, or lacked time. Wait, so were Zay's numbers bad because Allen was poor or did Allen have poor numbers because the WRs dropped lots of balls? Or should we just blame the OL for both and say they both got screwed? Edited May 7, 2019 by vincec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I thought he was much improved last year. Don’t recall many drops. That’s probably accurate as he did improve from year 1, but he still does not make many contested catches IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, vincec said: Wait, so were Zay's numbers bad because Allen was poor or did Allen have poor numbers because the WRs dropped lots of balls? Or should we just blame the OL for both and say they both got screwed? yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, vincec said: Wait, so were Zay's numbers bad because Allen was poor or did Allen have poor numbers because the WRs dropped lots of balls? Or should we just blame the OL for both and say they both got screwed? Good point. I’m pretty sure half of Zays TDS and yards came on broken plays by Allen buying time. He simply does not create much separation and has a hard time winning 1 on 1 matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 41 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: This year i believe will be very telling- many players break put their third year- especially if he surrounded by competent people. I just do not find it smart to write off players after 2 years. I haven't written him off but I'll follow the lead of the FO. He still has a chance but he isn't going to be relied upon to lead the WR group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I really hate that so many fans are negative about him. He really improved last season especially in the second half when he had more time time playing/practicing with Josh. I think he will break a 1000 this year. And for those who say he can’t create separation, I am not sure what Bills games you have been watching 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 At the least, he seems dedicated to his workout regime and putting himself physically in a good position to succeed. No idea why people spin this into a negative beyond he's currently the whipping boy that people on here want to get rid of for no reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Now he'll have hands..and abs...of stone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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