billspro Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, nucci said: how do you know he lost half a step......and how do you measure 1/2 step ? He looked pretty fast and quick to me good point Just because he lost a step doesn’t mean he is not good. He was still a top 5 WR last year, but it was obvious he was not as good as the previous two years. There is no doubt he is on the decline of his career. He probably has one more year as a top ten WR and another year as a top 15. He is going to command huge money and a long term deal. It would have been a good short term move but a bad long term move. Also, we don’t need guys that don’t want to be here. If they don’t want to be here they are not going to give 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, billspro said: Just because he lost a step doesn’t mean he is not good. He was still a top 5 WR last year, but it was obvious he was not as good as the previous two years. There is no doubt he is on the decline of his career. He probably has one more year as a top ten WR and another year as a top 15. He is going to command huge money and a long term deal. It would have been a good short term move but a bad long term move. Also, we don’t need guys that don’t want to be here. If they don’t want to be here they are not going to give 100%. I don't agree. I think he was just as good last year on a more dysfunctional offense. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: I don't agree. I think he was just as good last year on a more dysfunctional offense. I don’t think he was getting the same separation as the previous 2 seasons. He was not the consensus number 1 WR in football last year. Might not have even been the best WR on his team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ahhh another guy that just ignores everything out there as false and assumptions because it doesn't want to fit his rosey little outlook on the team There’s more and more reporting coming out that the organizations couldn’t come to a trade agreement before Brown made any comments about not wanting to play here. And when it comes to anything Brown says, I don’t trust him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: I don't agree. I think he was just as good last year on a more dysfunctional offense. 15 TD's, I agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, GunnerBill said: I don't agree. I think he was just as good last year on a more dysfunctional offense. He was GREAT last year. Right up until he QUIT. On his teammates, coaches, and fans. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I stopped caring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I don't baby my kids like snowflakes or anything like that but I just think the way this unfolded matters and worth commenting on. So this past season my 9 year old became a huge AB/Steelers fan this year. For whatever reason. He loves football and that became his favorite player. He likes the Bills as much (obviously we're a Bills family) AB just became his favorite player. He wanted and got an AB Jersey for Christmas. The look on his face when he got it and how happy he was..... So 1 week later AB quits. Do you know how hard I tried to keep him from the real story? He would have been crushed and confused. Here he is just really getting into football and this happens. I told him he didn't play because he was hurt. And that's what he knew that is what the Steelers said at the time. And the only way he'd know if AB is getting traded is if friends are talking about it at school. This was largely why I was so excited late last night. I was picturing telling him the news this morning. Which I didnt and he was still asleep at 7am anyway when I left for work. So it got me thinking. If this news broke at 8pm last night while he was up and not 11:30 I almost certainly would have told him. He would have been thru the moon. Imagine having to explain today it didnt happen. How excited he would have been last night. Only to be crushed today. This is how gross and irresponsible all journalism has become. Rapaport jumped the gun. That was in poor taste imo. Same the entire NFL Nerwork. I'm just disappointed all around. I feel for the 8-9 year olds in Pittsburgh that are being introduced to the professional athletes they admire and cheer for in this way. I'm really disgusted. Thanks for reading....I just needed to vent. As a parent of a nine year old I feel your pain. Vent heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: another guy named Gronkowski Yep, the next role guy steps up. And when Gronk goes down...the same thing. The point is you do not need prima donnas and stat-padding players, you just need role players who can get it done and good coaching. Not sure if you are just listing NE players you have heard of, or defending some point that top tier (stat-wise) receivers are needed for success. Are you saying AB is going to bring a championship to his next team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just when I thought nothing could top the Bryant Johnson FA signing back on the old BBMB, Antonio Brown goes out and does something like this.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, CountDorkula said: they built a bunch of cap space and a losing record over the past two years. with one of the worst offenses in history. Doug Marrone - 15-17 Rex Ryan - 15-17 Sean McDermott - 15-17 Why is there so much belief in these two that they are any different? because wed rather believe they are better than be miserable and talk about how bad the bills are all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Glad the deal fell through. Seems like the Bills dodged a bullet there. Browns cuckoo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Virgil said: There’s more and more reporting coming out that the organizations couldn’t come to a trade agreement before Brown made any comments about not wanting to play here. And when it comes to anything Brown says, I don’t trust him. Is there? I'm not doubting you, but I haven't seen this reported anywhere. It seems to be universally agreed upon that Brown is the one that nixed the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Why do people think the media has it out for Buffalo or the Bills? If Allen is good then he will be acknowledged as such. I see the media talking highly of Baker Mayfield and the Browns have been just as much of a joke as we have.....and it’s still Cleveland. Baker was seen as a stud before the draft. Alot of talking heads branded Allen a bust as soon as we picked him and will not deviate from that from fear of losing face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, K-9 said: He was GREAT last year. Right up until he QUIT. On his teammates, coaches, and fans. Quit, or knew his body needed a little time to heal? I mean considering A B was the most productive player on the Steelers O which stands to reason AB was working the hardest. How about a little respect from the idiot HC? Two sides to the story IMO K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, McBean said: Just when I thought nothing could top the Bryant Johnson FA signing back on the old BBMB, Antonio Brown goes out and does something like this.. Someone brought up the Tyson Clabo saga in this thread. That made me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Logic said: Is there? I'm not doubting you, but I haven't seen this reported anywhere. It seems to be universally agreed upon that Brown is the one that nixed the trade. https://twitter.com/viccarucci/status/1104013188226600960?s=20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Figster said: Quit, or knew his body needed a little time to heal? I mean considering A B was the most productive player on the Steelers O which stands to reason AB was working the hardest. How about a little respect from the idiot HC? Two sides to the story IMO K-9 Needed some time to heal? Everybody in the league "needs some time to heal" late in the season. What a crock of crap. It was his, and HIS ALONE, decision to QUIT. I don't care how much of an A Hole his coach is. I don't care how much of a douche Big Ben is. Antonio Brown decided to QUIT on his teammates, coaches, and fans during a playoff chase. Period. I'll say this though, his body needing time to heal is the best is the most original excuse I've heard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElMarko Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, iinii said: As a parent of a nine year old I feel your pain. Vent heard This has nothing to do with journalism. This is how agents (and players and sometimes the teams themselves) play the game. They leak information purposefully for posturing and too see how other teams will respond. Blaming the media for this is like blaming your phone app for the weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, McBean said: Just when I thought nothing could top the Bryant Johnson FA signing back on the old BBMB, Antonio Brown goes out and does something like this.. Memories. Thanks for that gem! Hey, whats Martin Nance up to these days? DaRick Rogers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, billspro said: I don’t think he was getting the same separation as the previous 2 seasons. He was not the consensus number 1 WR in football last year. Might not have even been the best WR on his team. I don't agree. I still think he got separation and he was the best player on the Steelers again. I think any perceived production drop off (and the guy scored 15 TDs for crying out loud) should be attributed entirely to a Steelers offense that seemed to lose a sense of its identity in 2018. Without Lev Bell they started the season with no balance, throwing the ball all around the field then they decided that wasn't working and force fed Conner for 4 or 5 weeks and then by the time they hit the stretch run they were a mess of an offense relying entirely on talent and not really doing anything well schematically. They got away from themselves in trying to adjust to losing the best back in football. And in indulging Big Ben's propensity to blame everyone else when things go south they have cost themselves the best receiver in football too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiezzz Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Looks like Stephon Gilmore even cracking some jokes. Can't stand that guy! https://www.yahoo.com/sports/antonio-brown-trade-twitter-roasts-061530085.html Edited March 8, 2019 by jamiezzz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Memories. Thanks for that gem! Hey, whats Martin Nance up to these days? DaRick Rogers? Probably hanging out with Brandon Reilly somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Real Bills fans can see that momentum is finally swinging in our favor. If AB wants to believe that this is 2008 still, thats on him. Pull the ***** ( 4 skin) off your face and have some foresight. Edited March 8, 2019 by The Firebaugh Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: I don't agree. I still think he got separation and he was the best player on the Steelers again. I think any perceived production drop off (and the guy scored 15 TDs for crying out loud) should be attributed entirely to a Steelers offense that seemed to lose a sense of its identity in 2018. Without Lev Bell they started the season with no balance, throwing the ball all around the field then they decided that wasn't working and force fed Conner for 4 or 5 weeks and then by the time they hit the stretch run they were a mess of an offense relying entirely on talent and not really doing anything well schematically. They got away from themselves in trying to adjust to losing the best back in football. And in indulging Big Ben's propensity to blame everyone else when things go south they have cost themselves the best receiver in football too. NextGenStats indicated that Brown averaged 2.6 yards of separation per route run in 2018, which was the same as his average in 2017. Both years represent about a 10% reduction from his average yards of separation per route run in 2016, which was 2.9. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, K-9 said: He was GREAT last year. Right up until he QUIT. On his teammates, coaches, and fans. Oh don't get me wrong his walking out on his team is indefensible. There are plenty of reasons to be leery about wanting to commit big resource to Antonio Brown. Age is one, diva attitude is another..... but his play when he is on the field? No signs whatsoever of slowing down for me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, WideNine said: Yep, the next role guy steps up. And when Gronk goes down...the same thing. The point is you do not need prima donnas and stat-padding players, you just need role players who can get it done and good coaching. Not sure if you are just listing NE players you have heard of, or defending some point that top tier (stat-wise) receivers are needed for success. Are you saying AB is going to bring a championship to his next team? Yeah I am sure the Best ever TE to play the game is just a roll guy. Yeah I guess we don't need game breakers. I have heard that now for two decades as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Ahhh another guy that just ignores everything out there as false and assumptions because it doesn't want to fit his rosey little outlook on the team Rosey? I started a thread predicting Zay won’t be in this team next year. How is that “rosey”. You on the other hand only know negativity, relish in it, and damn near dormant when things are going well and post non stop the moment you see something you can negatively clamp on to. So it’s a legit question why people ask you why you are even a fan. You never resemble one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah I am sure the Best ever TE to play the game is just a roll guy. Yeah I guess we don't need game breakers. I have heard that now for two decades as well You can't play both sides of the board here. You claim that this team has had great WR talent that's gone on to flourish after leaving the team (which is defensible), but at the same time claim that you keep hearing about how the team doesn't need talented WRs...which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Cowherd is frying AB and laughing at how he thinks he plays in NBA. Saying NFL players don’t have the value like the NBA guys. “If you’re such a great talent then why does no one care?” Then blasting teams that allow their players to promote so much on twitter and social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: You can't play both sides of the board here. You claim that this team has had great WR talent that's gone on to flourish after leaving the team (which is defensible), but at the same time claim that you keep hearing about how the team doesn't need talented WRs...which is it? If you are looking for something coherent from him, you’re gonna wait a long time. The only part of his argument is that Bills do everything wrong, always. He has no rhyme or reason to his pissing and moaning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Cowherd is frying AB and laughing at how he thinks he plays in NBA. Saying NFL players don’t have the value like the NBA guys. “If you’re such a great talent then why does no one care?” Then blasting teams that allow their players to promote so much on twitter and social media. Cowherd enjoys ranting about Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: If you are looking for something coherent from him, you’re gonna wait a long time. The only part of his argument is that Bills do everything wrong, always. He has no rhyme or reason to his pissing and moaning. Mind boggling, isn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, K-9 said: Needed some time to heal? Everybody in the league "needs some time to heal" late in the season. What a crock of crap. It was his, and HIS ALONE, decision to QUIT. I don't care how much of an A Hole his coach is. I don't care how much of a douche Big Ben is. Antonio Brown decided to QUIT on his teammates, coaches, and fans during a playoff chase. Period. I'll say this though, his body needing time to heal is the best is the most original excuse I've heard. Veteran players are rested all the time in the NFL. Its nothing new in my humble opinion K-9. Tomlin decided to make an example of AB for the wrong reasons IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Cowherd enjoys ranting about Pittsburgh. I think he has some good takes. He gushes on the Patriots a bit much but most of his stuff is spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Rosey? I started a thread predicting Zay won’t be in this team next year. How is that “rosey”. You on the other hand only know negativity, relish in it, and damn near dormant when things are going well and post non stop the moment you see something you can negatively clamp on to. So it’s a legit question why people ask you why you are even a fan. You never resemble one. Dormant? If you must know seeing you have some infatuation with me. I recently retried from Army, took a nice three month trip to Europe with the family from Nov-Jan, landed a new job as a defense contractor, took time to get another PM certification. And now around the time offseason picks up for a bit I decided to post. So saw this, thought it was a good move, hope it signifies a shift in the typical buffalo mindset for how to play the game. And of course see a bunch of very thinly skinned Bills fans upset that a top flight WR said NOPE I will not play on your team (so posted I see his point). I am sorry all these thin skinned Bills fans cannot. For such a "hardworking" "blue collar" "lunch pale" fan base there are a lot of rice paper thin skins here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If you are looking for something coherent from him, you’re gonna wait a long time. The only part of his argument is that Bills do everything wrong, always. He has no rhyme or reason to his pissing and moaning. Have you ever met @Straight Hucklebuck? You should. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, teef said: Have you ever met @Straight Hucklebuck? You should. He'll be in soon. And we all know what his take will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You can't play both sides of the board here. You claim that this team has had great WR talent that's gone on to flourish after leaving the team (which is defensible), but at the same time claim that you keep hearing about how the team doesn't need talented WRs...which is it? every year someone leaves. ahhh they sucked. Look at well lets say Woods. Every year it is just the same thing, talent leaving this team and the fan base eating it up. I have been on record since this Regime came into Bills there was absolutely zero need to throw the baby out with the bath water, liked they chose too. But what happens all these same fans defend it. Then use the excuse of wait until they have cap space, well they cause the cap issue last year. So I wait. I am going on year not THREE waiting to see what a legacy defensive coach and his puppet GM that preach family and DNA and Culture actually put on the offensive side of the field, because well it has been Laughable now for two years. guess year is a charm. o will it be this time next offseason with the same fans telling me I am BLIND to what they are building? Edited March 8, 2019 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah I am sure the Best ever TE to play the game is just a roll guy. Yeah I guess we don't need game breakers. I have heard that now for two decades as well Gronk was a great TE. Best ever? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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