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Woodman19 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I don't understand the outrage here, everyone pays for sex in some capacity, how many people here can honestly say they haven't gone out for some shopping, dinner, gathering or got a really expensive piece of Jewelry to get what he did in 10 minutes? Take notes my friends lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, OJ Tom said: You're out of your mind. Get a grip. @Mark80 is definitely out of his mind for thinking the cash bail system is broken and disproportionally hurts poor people or to think that the justice system is biased towards rich people. Yes, he's definitely out of his mind... smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: I don't understand the outrage here, everyone pays for sex in some capacity, how many people here can honestly say they haven't gone out for some shopping, dinner, gathering or got a really expensive piece of Jewelry to get what he did in 10 minutes? Take notes my friends lol I’ve been to a lot of strip clubs for bachelor parties but I’ve never paid for anything more than a girl dancing. At my bachelor party my buddies who are pipe fitters were throwing 50$ bills on stage if the stripper took my shirt off and whipped me with my belt. That chick hit me so hard with it I was bleeding from the three hits she got in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I’ve been to a lot of strip clubs for bachelor parties but I’ve never paid for anything more than a girl dancing. At my bachelor party my buddies who are pipe fitters were throwing 50$ bills on stage if the stripper took my shirt off and whipped me with my belt. That chick hit me so hard with it I was bleeding from the three hits she got in. You got married, so you have an installment going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Woodman19 said: I don't understand the outrage here, everyone pays for sex in some capacity, how many people here can honestly say they haven't gone out for some shopping, dinner, gathering or got a really expensive piece of Jewelry to get what he did in 10 minutes? Take notes my friends lol Transactional sex is not uncommon. Legitimate sex work should be legal in my opinion. The outrage is due to the likelihood that Kraft was patronizing an organization involved in human trafficking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark80 said: Exactly. They would have to pay a fine. He was caught on tape doing the crime. The average person would have to pay a fine. If they couldn't afford to pay the fine they could be subject to a bench warrant or wage garnishments which exasperates the situation even further. Imagine Joe Schmo struggling to make ends meet found in this situation, can't afford the fine and gets put in jail for not paying it, then loses job for missing time because of it as well, then wont get hired by anyone because they ran a background check and he was found guilty of soliciting prostitution on his record. Conversely, Kraft has nothing on his record, was embarrassed for a minute, and gets to move on as if nothing ever happened. Lets not even start talking about the leeway given to "white collar" crimes compared to their counterparts. Steal millions of dollars and get less punishment than someone who has stolen a tv on 3 separate occasions. Awesome. If Joe Schmo was struggling so much, shouldn't he be saving that cash instead of splurging for a *****? I have no sympathy for him still sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, QCity said: Embarrassed for a minute? This is going to follow him around until he dies. I'm anticipating some great crowd chants and signs at New Era for next year's game. ....coulda been four hours if he took the "little purple pill", right???........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDS73 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Woodman19 said: I don't understand the outrage here, everyone pays for sex in some capacity, how many people here can honestly say they haven't gone out for some shopping, dinner, gathering or got a really expensive piece of Jewelry to get what he did in 10 minutes? Take notes my friends lol Agreed. Most everybody thought it was funny until the media somehow found a way to make it about Trump. That's when a lot of people decided it was worthy of some fake outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark80 said: Exactly. They would have to pay a fine. He was caught on tape doing the crime. T Uhmm..he has not been caught doing anything illegal, only been accused of doing something illegal. Big differnce..video or no. As I understand it, no audio, makes proving a case of solicitation awful hard in my mind. And from the WSJ article Quote According to Andrew Beaton of the Wall Street Journal, prosecutors have offered the same deal to other men charged with solicitation of prostitution in the Florida sting. If Kraft takes the deal, he will reportedly have to complete an education course about prostitution, complete 100 hours of community service and undergo screening for sexually transmitted diseases. Fug that..he ain't taking that deal. He will take this to the mats and trial the poop out of these people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: Uhmm..he has not been caught doing anything illegal, only been accused of doing something illegal. Big differnce..video or no. As I understand it, no audio, makes proving a case of solicitation awful hard in my mind. And from the WSJ article Fug that..he ain't taking that deal. He will take this to the mats and trial the poop out of these people... Yeah, I don't see him taking that deal. Somehow he will worm his way out of if through money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Mark80 said: Exactly. They would have to pay a fine. He was caught on tape doing the crime. The average person would have to pay a fine. If they couldn't afford to pay the fine they could be subject to a bench warrant or wage garnishments which exasperates the situation even further. Imagine Joe Schmo struggling to make ends meet found in this situation, can't afford the fine and gets put in jail for not paying it, then loses job for missing time because of it as well, then wont get hired by anyone because they ran a background check and he was found guilty of soliciting prostitution on his record. Conversely, Kraft has nothing on his record, was embarrassed for a minute, and gets to move on as if nothing ever happened. Lets not even start talking about the leeway given to "white collar" crimes compared to their counterparts. Steal millions of dollars and get less punishment than someone who has stolen a tv on 3 separate occasions. Awesome. I agree with the white collar crime part, but come on, few if any care if Joe Schmo has got an handjob. You think it would make worldwide news? In that sense Kraft as gotten the shaft of social opinion ha ha MILLIONS know about it and his spotty clean image will never be the same. Quote Legitimate sex work should be legal in my opinion. The outrage is due to the likelihood that Kraft was patronizing an organization involved in human trafficking. At first I saw ZERO to be outraged about, but yeah that place seems quite suspect. I don't care at all of transactions between consenting adults, it should be legal, but underage prostitution and human trafficking should be dealt with harshly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 56 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Transactional sex is not uncommon. Legitimate sex work should be legal in my opinion. The outrage is due to the likelihood that Kraft was patronizing an organization involved in human trafficking. Couldn't agree with you more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 A buddy just moved near us to a largely Asian community. He gets massages frequently, but at a new place last time as he was leaving he was told “next time, for $60 more....YOU rub ME!” He has not yet been back there.....(or so he says!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just now, Augie said: A buddy just moved near us to a largely Asian community. He gets massages frequently, but at a new place last time as he was leaving he was told “next time, for $60 more....YOU rub ME!” He has not yet been back there.....(or so he says!) And therein lies the rub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: And therein lies the rub. Quoting Bill again Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Augie said: A buddy just moved near us to a largely Asian community. He gets massages frequently, but at a new place last time as he was leaving he was told “next time, for $60 more....YOU rub ME!” He has not yet been back there.....(or so he says!) ...so then who the hell was watchin' the restaurant??.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, WideNine said: Quoting Bill again Kelly. Who is Bill and when was the first time? It did seem quite obvious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Uhmm..he has not been caught doing anything illegal, only been accused of doing something illegal. Big differnce..video or no. As I understand it, no audio, makes proving a case of solicitation awful hard in my mind. And from the WSJ article Fug that..he ain't taking that deal. He will take this to the mats and trial the poop out of these people... I sure hope he does, that would be funny as hell if that video gets leaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Taking a woman on a date is not the same as going to a rub and tug. If I have to explain it then..... Well maybe you prefer the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Woodman19 said: You got married, so you have an installment going Installments? I have pedicure, manicure, spa days, salon days, hair extensions, Mack cosmetics and all that other chick stuff. My 500 hours of OT that’s about 22,000 covers all this crap. I don’t really blame guys for paying 400$ at month for 4 of these. It’s way cheaper than being married. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 On 2/28/2019 at 2:33 PM, Kelly the Dog said: So you're saying it was consensual sex between two adults who met, chatted, courted each other, grew fond of each other enough to have consensual sex and finished in 14 minutes? How do you know this is not a regular relationship for him? He could have been going there to meet for weeks or months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 .....pleads guilty to misdemeanor "down and barely out"....20 minutes of community service........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Limeaid said: How do you know this is not a regular relationship for him? He could have been going there to meet for weeks or months. If so it would still be prostitution. It was not a date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 it's still cheaper to pay for love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 i am sure there will be a technicality he can get off on (lol) How the cameras were planted perhaps ? But soliciting is illegal there, if video show him paying and then receiving preferred "treatments" . than he should be fined through the Legal system. but much better would be to leak the video. Oh Tom Oh Tom you complete me (bleeccch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, papazoid said: it's still cheaper to pay for love i forget what Charlie Harper said about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 minute ago, papazoid said: it's still cheaper to pay for love and so many more options.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, elroy16 said: @Mark80 is definitely out of his mind for thinking the cash bail system is broken and disproportionally hurts poor people or to think that the justice system is biased towards rich people. Yes, he's definitely out of his mind... smh You win in the trenches. PERIOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: If so it would still be prostitution. It was not a date. Prove they did not have an instant connection, decided to get frisky and do the deed. Consensual sex is still legal. Then he ssai heres a hundo to send home to the old country to help your family out. Remember, no audio to prove this did not happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Prove they did not have an instant connection, decided to get frisky and do the deed. Consensual sex is still legal. Then he ssai heres a hundo to send home to the old country to help your family out. Remember, no audio to prove this did not happen You don’t need to prove it. An eyewitness account is not “proof.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 To all of those that are upset about perceived preferential treatment for Bobby Kraft: This kind of thing is standard operating procedure for misdemeanor crimes in Florida. It's called "pre-trial diversion", and exists for any of us that get arrested for certain misdemeanor crimes (presuming we aren't recidivist). The state attorneys office drops the charges when certain conditions are met. Those conditions usually involve treatment, community service, and sometimes things like letters of apology. I hate Kraft, but this has nothing to do with who he is, who he knows, or how much money he has. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 If he admits to enough evidence of guilt to plead out, he is gonna get nailed by the NFL under the personal conduct policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Robert Kraft is a rug pee'er Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 So...they will not charge him with a crime, but he has to admit he is guilty of a crime in order for them to drop the charges? LOL---who would take this deal?? The only reason the Da is offering to drop charges is because both the video surveillance and the stop were illegal and would struggle to be admitted as evidence. They know they bungled this case (as sting about "sex trafficking" and slavery....where they spend months letting it go on and on, only busting johns getting handies as these girls suffered every day this "sting" went on?). Now as it crumbles, they are coming up with goofy plea deals. I bet Kraft (and the rest of these guys) and the lawyers smell blood in the water and refuse this. Wouldn't anyone here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mark80 said: ...and this is what is wrong with our country. Laws applied unequally for the rich and famous (for the most part, always exceptions). Did you even bother to read some of the details about the case including the offered plea deal before spewing nonsense like the above. If if not let me summarize , 1) Florida prosecutors are offering standard first timer plea deal to Kraft and 24 others being charged . Nothing special about it . 2) Kraft is not going to accept the deal. And if looks like none of the others will either 3). Legal experts are pointing out multiple serous flaws in prosecutions case like potentially illegal traffic stop that was used to identify Kraft and also potentially illegal surveillance that was used to obtain the videos of Krafts happy time. It’s likely that this case will flame out due to the aforementioned keystone cops scenario rather than Krafts money being thrown around Edited March 20, 2019 by prissythecat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Plea?? No. He will get off clean, as he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Where is the video release that TMZ usually gets that sometimes NFL cannot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 56 minutes ago, Chill said: Plea?? No. He will get off clean, as he should. He should, because he........uh, didn’t commit a crime? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: So...they will not charge him with a crime, but he has to admit he is guilty of a crime in order for them to drop the charges? LOL---who would take this deal?? The only reason the Da is offering to drop charges is because both the video surveillance and the stop were illegal and would struggle to be admitted as evidence. They know they bungled this case (as sting about "sex trafficking" and slavery....where they spend months letting it go on and on, only busting johns getting handies as these girls suffered every day this "sting" went on?). Now as it crumbles, they are coming up with goofy plea deals. I bet Kraft (and the rest of these guys) and the lawyers smell blood in the water and refuse this. Wouldn't anyone here? Kind of funny isn't it. Either way the NFL has to do something to Kraft. The world is aware of this. Maybe @BringBackFergy should explain this to us. (again) I'll ask why were only 6 of the 20 plus arrested offered this deal? Edited March 20, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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