Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: I'm the one obsessed with Kraft huh? From deflate gate to inflategate or whatever this is called you've written quite a number of posts defending him using half truths and innuendo. I can't recall spy gate stuff you may or may not have written because it was a long time ago, but I can easily imagine where you stand. I sort of get it. You're a fan. But dude the world does not revolve around your Pats or even the NFL. These women have clearly been severely abused and have had their lives stolen from them. They also don't speak English and fear for their families back home. Law enforcement's job is not easy here. But by all means please paint them as simply out to get Kraft. They hate us because they ain't us! Amirite? None of this is “defending” Kraft. It’s pointing out what has been written everywhere about the weakness of these cases. all you ever hear is your dog whistle: “Kraft” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 ...chasing Kraft is FAR more important than illegals...go figure......please donate to the Miami Sanctuary Fund vigorously....oh wait...think we already do..SMH......... Miami police chief denounces anti-sanctuary bill: ‘I don’t care if you have papers or don’t have papers’ By Louis Casiano | Fox News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...chasing Kraft is FAR more important than illegals...go figure......please donate to the Miami Sanctuary Fund vigorously....oh wait...think we already do..SMH......... Miami police chief denounces anti-sanctuary bill: ‘I don’t care if you have papers or don’t have papers’ By Louis Casiano | Fox News Because this thread wasn't off the rails enough... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 55 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: None of this is “defending” Kraft. It’s pointing out what has been written everywhere about the weakness of these cases. all you ever hear is your dog whistle: “Kraft” Ok right. Your next critical word about Kraft will be your first. The fact is that scores of people have been enslaved. Hopefully the appropriate people will be put away. I understand that the reprobate Kraft merely enabled these cretins. It's too bad that his flock of lawyers are gumming up the works for law enforcement and their limited resources, but Kraft is more important than all these slaves and must be protected. If he simply admitted what he obviously did, it would help build a case against the main culprits but so what? Those chicks are just pawns with meaningless lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Ok right. Your next critical word about Kraft will be your first. The fact is that scores of people have been enslaved. Hopefully the appropriate people will be put away. I understand that the reprobate Kraft merely enabled these cretins. It's too bad that his flock of lawyers are gumming up the works for law enforcement and their limited resources, but Kraft is more important than all these slaves and must be protected. If he simply admitted what he obviously did, it would help build a case against the main culprits but so what? Those chicks are just pawns with meaningless lives. 2 It is a fact they were slaves? Better be careful about such assumptions. They very easily could be there at their own free will. Not coincidentally no one was charged with trafficking? If they were "slaves", then how could the police sit on this operation for months, should not they have let the "slaves" go. ADAP! No the DA & Cops wanted a big splash, that rich important guys were getting handjobs and the sting was on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: It is a fact they were slaves? Better be careful about such assumptions. They very easily could be there at their own free will. Not coincidentally no one was charged with trafficking? If they were "slaves", then how could the police sit on this operation for months, should not they have let the "slaves" go. ADAP! No the DA & Cops wanted a big splash, that rich important guys were getting handjobs and the sting was on. I'm sure they just lived at the massage parlor and slept on tables for months upon end because of their freedom. You better run if you're going to catch that turnip truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) Kraft issues apology........pretty much admitting he is guilty Edited March 23, 2019 by Bubba Gump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I'm sure they just lived at the massage parlor and slept on tables for months upon end because of their freedom. You better run if you're going to catch that turnip truck. They might be "slaves" but I doubt it. Tthey slept on the table because the rent was free, they are there to make money and when they don't have some guy looking for a handjob sleep on the massage tables which aren't much different from a bed, if that is your "proof" they are slaves I laugh at it. Edited March 23, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Ok right. Your next critical word about Kraft will be your first. The fact is that scores of people have been enslaved. Hopefully the appropriate people will be put away. I understand that the reprobate Kraft merely enabled these cretins. It's too bad that his flock of lawyers are gumming up the works for law enforcement and their limited resources, but Kraft is more important than all these slaves and must be protected. If he simply admitted what he obviously did, it would help build a case against the main culprits but so what? Those chicks are just pawns with meaningless lives. Krast got a handjob from the store manager. There are no lawyers anywhere gumming up the DAs ability to charge the traffickers with human trafficking. Yet they have charged no one with what was supposed to be the bustup of a human trafficking ring. If the DA feels the Johns’ (all of them, not just Kraft) convictions would help them “build a case against the culprits”, why are they offering deals where they aren’t even charged with a crime? You really don’t know what is being discussed here at all, do you? Half truths? You need to go outside this site and read some more. Educating you on easily found information is a bad waste of time. Come back to this topic when you’re better able to join in the discussion in an informed and meaningful way. That’s just some friendly advice I’m giving you... 7 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: Kraft issues apology........pretty much admitting he is guilty That’s for the NFL/owners/Goodell. He’s acknowledging the obvious—he got tug jobs at a massage parlor. He’s careful not to admit to a crime in that statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Krast got a handjob from the store manager. There are no lawyers anywhere gumming up the DAs ability to charge the traffickers with human trafficking. Yet they have charged no one with what was supposed to be the bustup of a human trafficking ring. If the DA feels the Johns’ (all of them, not just Kraft) convictions would help them “build a case against the culprits”, why are they offering deals where they aren’t even charged with a crime? You really don’t know what is being discussed here at all, do you? Half truths? You need to go outside this site and read some more. Educating you on easily found information is a bad waste of time. Come back to this topic when you’re better able to join in the discussion in an informed and meaningful way. That’s just some friendly advice I’m giving you... That’s for the NFL/owners/Goodell. He’s acknowledging the obvious—he got tug jobs at a massage parlor. He’s careful not to admit to a crime in that statement. That's why I stated it as "pretty much". Not a full blown confession. He shoulda just taken the plea and been done with it. He's ruined his rep no matter what the final outcome is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: That's why I stated it as "pretty much". Not a full blown confession. He shoulda just taken the plea and been done with it. He's ruined his rep no matter what the final outcome is. The cover-up/denial is usually worse than the crime itself. Bobby was caught engaging in (it shouldn't be but it is) illegal activity and is trying his hardest to (laughably) claim it wasn't what it was, despite there being video evidence of it. The thing is that WEO has railed so hard against Shady for allegations that were proven false/never prove that he has no leg to stand on when it comes to this case, and (even) he knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc said: The cover-up/denial is usually worse than the crime itself. Bobby was caught engaging in (it shouldn't be but it is) illegal activity and is trying his hardest to (laughably) claim it wasn't what it was, despite there being video evidence of it. The thing is that WEO has railed so hard against Shady for allegations that were proven false/never prove that he has no leg to stand on when it comes to this case, and (even) he knows it. that is one of the stupidest things ever said: "the cover-up/denial is usually worse than the crime itself." i know you murdered all those people last Friday, but denying you did when asked is FAR WORSE................. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 24 minutes ago, row_33 said: that is one of the stupidest things ever said: "the cover-up/denial is usually worse than the crime itself." i know you murdered all those people last Friday, but denying you did when asked is FAR WORSE................. In terms of legality, it is often the case that a cover up is a more serious crime than the initial crime being investigated. The Watergate scandal is a really famous example of that concept, but there are many more, especially when celebrities, or public figures are involved. I would guess that if you googled something like "cover up worse than crime" you would find many examples, and explanations. We're not talking murder, here. It's a misdemeanor Kraft is accused of, if I'm not mistaken. Be that as it may, I don't think I understand how Kraft is trying to cover up a crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...chasing Kraft is FAR more important than illegals...go figure......please donate to the Miami Sanctuary Fund vigorously....oh wait...think we already do..SMH......... Miami police chief denounces anti-sanctuary bill: ‘I don’t care if you have papers or don’t have papers’ By Louis Casiano | Fox News Pfff. Pathetic, obvious whataboutism. Do better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Pfff. Pathetic, obvious whataboutism. Do better. ...um....er...okay......YAWN.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 They gonna release video of him at the wank bank? -Gotta be terrible for his family... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 hours ago, #34fan said: They gonna release video of him at the wank bank? -Gotta be terrible for his family... Worse for anyone who actually watches it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 16 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: In terms of legality, it is often the case that a cover up is a more serious crime than the initial crime being investigated. The Watergate scandal is a really famous example of that concept, but there are many more, especially when celebrities, or public figures are involved. I would guess that if you googled something like "cover up worse than crime" you would find many examples, and explanations. We're not talking murder, here. It's a misdemeanor Kraft is accused of, if I'm not mistaken. Be that as it may, I don't think I understand how Kraft is trying to cover up a crime? Thanks for clearing that up for me. It shouldn't have had to be but some people... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 11:06 PM, Mr. WEO said: No one has been charged with human trafficking. If anyone ever is charged, the videotapes of guys getting tug jobs will be the evidence used to charge the traffickers. It will be the testimony of those in servitude. And the money and passports seized and any info the cooperating witnesses give. The tapes are useless for all of that. The two woman who serviced him were licensed massage worker. One was the manager. if the police taped him in a private legal act involving another consenting adult, that is an invasion of privacy. Legal opinion is that the taping warrant was faultily obtained since the police could have obtained evidence of the massage parlor was being run as a whorehouse with tried and true undercover methods other than taping hundreds of patrons not involved in crimes. I really haven't paid attention I was just going off the bs you hear on wgr. I thought it was a human trafficking ring that they were busting. If it's not that then I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 “I am truly sorry.....that I was caught.” -Kraft 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bangarang said: “I am truly sorry.....that I was caught.” -Kraft The old non-apology apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Who thought the outcome of this would be any different than it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I really haven't paid attention I was just going off the bs you hear on wgr. I thought it was a human trafficking ring that they were busting. If it's not that then I agree. It was a human trafficking ring they were purportedly busting. But after many months and all these john busts....no one has been charged with the crime they were intent on proving. “Sheriff Snyder and Jupiter police chief Daniel Kerr from the outset have said this is a human trafficking case, but have produced no evidence [to corroborate that]." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It was a human trafficking ring they were purportedly busting. But after many months and all these john busts....no one has been charged with the crime they were intent on proving. “Sheriff Snyder and Jupiter police chief Daniel Kerr from the outset have said this is a human trafficking case, but have produced no evidence [to corroborate that]." I applaud going after human trafficking (obviously), and if you find crimes on the way to that, I don’t expect them to look the other way. Regardless of whether or not you are a billionaire. How bad would it be if they could just buy silence? If it’s consensual, it’s not the end of the world, except to their egos.....and I care not one little bit about their egos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Augie said: I applaud going after human trafficking (obviously), and if you find crimes on the way to that, I don’t expect them to look the other way. Regardless of whether or not you are a billionaire. How bad would it be if they could just buy silence? If it’s consensual, it’s not the end of the world, except to their egos.....and I care not one little bit about their egos. No billionaire's money has bought silence in this case, obviously. And the DA is concerned enough about his case against the johns that he has offered at least one of them the opportunity to not even be charged with a crime. Any perp is going to say "uhhhh....what?", and pass on that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No billionaire's money has bought silence in this case, obviously. And the DA is concerned enough about his case against the johns that he has offered at least one of them the opportunity to not even be charged with a crime. Any perp is going to say "uhhhh....what?", and pass on that..... The average perp is not worried about protecting their legacy....and EGO. He’s just dragging this out, for better or worse. We are generally a forgiving population. “Not being charged” with a crime is cool for some, but for these guys admitting what they did was worse than some guys getting 6 months in country club confines. It would have gone away. His decision prolongs the whole thing. Whatever, his choice.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augie said: The average perp is not worried about protecting their legacy....and EGO. He’s just dragging this out, for better or worse. We are generally a forgiving population. “Not being charged” with a crime is cool for some, but for these guys admitting what they did was worse than some guys getting 6 months in country club confines. It would have gone away. His decision prolongs the whole thing. Whatever, his choice.... Which decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Which decision? The decision to turn down the deal. It just keeps this alive. He’s arguing it was not illegal. Cash for a sex act on video is an uphill battle, but he can spend his billions as he’d like. I’m not getting worked up over it (other than the humor factor as a Bills fan). Human trafficking I’m all over. If this is as it appears, it’s merely embarrassing. It appears he thinks hes above being embarrassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, Augie said: The decision to turn down the deal. It just keeps this alive. He’s arguing it was not illegal. Cash for a sex act on video is an uphill battle, but he can spend his billions as he’d like. I’m not getting worked up over it (other than the humor factor as a Bills fan). Human trafficking I’m all over. If this is as it appears, it’s merely embarrassing. It appears he thinks hes above being embarrassed. He's not denying he got a tug job on video. He's issued "The Apology" for this. As for solicitation, he can call it a tip after a very satisfying massage. The lady was the spa owner-she knew him well "she knows I enjoy a nice tug at the end of my Swedish!"). There's no audio on the video. The DA offered a no plea deal. Would you not fight that? The DA is telling you he can't convict you in court....but he wants you to tell everyone he can--in return for not even charging you with a crime! That's nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I’d do the smart thing, but it won’t change what everybody knows happened. It was fun for a while, but if it’as not human trafficking I don’t care more than for the humor value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I’d do the smart thing, but it won’t change what everybody knows happened. It was fun for a while, but if it’as not human trafficking I don’t care more than for the humor value. Kraft's legacy will forever be.................dare I say.......tainted? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Robert Kraft looks and sounds like he just downed a handful of percocet with a glass of bourbon in every single video I've ever seen him in. Thought he was about to piss his pants and fall over in that Barstool pizza review he slurred his way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 He went 2 days in a row. When did the cop pull over his driver? The day before of the day of the championship game? Clueless says I’m not guilty but that he’s sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Kraft has said he is sorry and have you seen his purported girl friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Pegula' to Kraft. Hey Bob, My 80 year old mother in law is looking for a good time. You game? Edited March 26, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Survivor Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, iinii said: Kraft has said he is sorry and have you seen his purported girl friend? Yea she's like a third of his age, the dude is a creep. Kraft mac n' cheese sucks, his team are renowned cheating scoundrels, and he's buddies with the belligerent fool they trot around to distract the liberals and corral poor white conservative support while GOP cronies continue to kraft policy redirecting wealth to the ultra-rich. I rarely wish ill on anybody but this guy would certainly meet the exception. Edited March 25, 2019 by Bills Survivor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Bills Survivor said: Kraft mac n' cheese sucks... Them's fighting words. BTW, Robert Kraft has nothing to do with Kraft Foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 I really hope he somehow get sentenced to comunity service governing massage therapy to inmates. Now given his misguided understanding of massage therapy, I further hope he assumes the full monte is expected standard practice and complies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 20 hours ago, Augie said: I’d do the smart thing, but it won’t change what everybody knows happened. It was fun for a while, but if it’as not human trafficking I don’t care more than for the humor value. Yeah the only real trouble would have been if he had been involved with sex slavery. So this is basically on the order of getting busted with pot, which is becoming more acceptable. But you’d rather be caught on video smoking pot than getting a handie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Kraft at the owners mtg in Florida this week. As an apology to the NFL and the other owners, he is taking everyone out for cocktugs afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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