Robert Kraft charged in prostitution ring bust ( Update: Kraft legal team accused of lying in court)

[Doc]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

all the fun moved to  the Schiano thread 

 

I'm on my way!

[Mr. WEO]

52 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I got you there long ago, WEO.  Your takes on Shady were legendary.  And while your "entertainment" there lasted a few weeks, mine has been on-going.  To see you make a hypocrite of yourself in this instance is icing on the cake and I couldn't have scripted it any better.

 

Glad to see you've finally come around on what people could, should and would do when faced with legal problems, not just not great citizens and fathers like Shady, but super-swell guys like Bobby.  But again, Shady never committed a crime, unlike Bobby, so you wanting him to admit to stuff he didn't do was always silly.

 

 

How is it that you are certain McCoy didn't commit any crimes? 

[iinii]

18 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

G

Get bent.

 

If it makes you feel better I think the other biilionaires and people of influence are equally disappointing as Kraft.  Maybe I should go on the Goldman Sachs board to complain about some of them. This is a football board.

Sorry if you don’t understand sarcasm, but this is a football board and expecting you to understand the nuances of language seems to be pushing it. You should probably stay away from intellectual matters.

[Daisy days]

Since this site is where I check first for new news, every time there is a new post in this thread I think the video is released....

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 minutes ago, BoldBully said:

Since this site is where I check first for new news, every time there is a new post in this thread I think the video is released....

 

I'm amazed TMZ hasn't paid out big for it yet.  

[Daisy days]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I'm amazed TMZ hasn't paid out big for it yet.  

Wonder if they even could outbid robert  “handytime” kraft 

[formerlyofCtown]

On 3/28/2019 at 4:00 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I had to block Mr. W.E.O.  It was this kind of belligerence that makes him impossible to talk to.  He is not nearly bright enough to be as confident as he is.  

I did that a long time ago.

21 hours ago, BoldBully said:

Since this site is where I check first for new news, every time there is a new post in this thread I think the video is released....

Are you sure you want to watch it.?

[Doc]

23 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

How is it that you are certain McCoy didn't commit any crimes? 

 

Wait, you're serious?  What crime(s) did he commit. 

[formerlyofCtown]

On 3/27/2019 at 9:16 PM, 4merper4mer said:

Kraft is an idiot for doing what he did.  I agree his alleged crime is not all that serious.  

 

I do not share the opinion of the other Pats fan in this thread that because there have been no trafficking charges that no trafficking occured. To be clear, to me, there is zero reason to believe Kraft participated in the trafficking.  But assuming that it would be easy for law enforcement to prove trafficking when the women involved can't speak English and likely fear for their families in China is ridiculous.  That job was always going to be difficult.  Did they take the wrong approach?  Probably.  Does that make what Kraft did legal?  No.  At least one person thinks everything is fine because the whacker offer was a manager.  That's just weird.

 

I will say that I find it really strange that multiple billionaires were going to the same run down strip mall for sexual favors.  Personally I also find it disappointing if nothing is being done behind the scenes by the johns to at least try to assist in the larger matter.  Maybe it is being done.  I realize that they are not obliged to help but the women are human and if this is their plight I'd find it unconscionable for these johns to ignore it.

Maybe they have set them up with a room and massage table in their mansions.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Wait, you're serious?  What crime(s) did he commit. 

 

Kicking that cop in the ground.

[Doc]

32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Kicking that cop in the ground.

 

What was the crime, much less the charge? Remember that it was all on video, just like Bobby’s incident here. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

What was the crime, much less the charge? Remember that it was all on video, just like Bobby’s incident here. 

 

The crme would have been assault obviously.  

 

Why wasnt he charged?

[Daisy days]

3 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I did that a long time ago.

Are you sure you want to watch it.?

100% definitely 

[Kelly the Dog]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Kicking that cop in the ground.

In that situation that is not a crime, that is a two minute penalty in the box. 

[The Senator]

On 3/28/2019 at 4:00 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

 

I had to block Mr. W.E.O.  It was this kind of belligerence that makes him impossible to talk to.  He is not nearly bright enough to be as confident as he is.  

 

I did that years ago.  My TSW experience has been infinitely better since.

.

[Doc]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

The crme would have been assault obviously.  

 

Why wasnt he charged?

 

Because he's got more money and power than Bob Kraft?

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Because he's got more money and power than Bob Kraft?

 

Come on doc....answer the question 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Come on doc....answer the question 

 

I already answered it WEO.  I was just jumping ahead to when you'd say "no, he didn't get charged because of who he is" to which I'd reply "well then, why did Bobby get charged, is it because...?"

 

No, if anyone got off in that case, it was the crooked cop(s).  And nowhere else would what Shady did have been called "assault" despite your wishes otherwise.  Which again gets back to the heart of the matter.

[Paulus]

Making lazy government lawyers work... Noice.

[Gray Beard]

On 3/29/2019 at 12:57 PM, BoldBully said:

Since this site is where I check first for new news, every time there is a new post in this thread I think the video is released....

It seems like if it goes to trial, the video will have to be released.   I don’t understand why Kraft would make that choice.

[PromoTheRobot]

Kraft is requesting a jury of Patriots season ticket holders with the trial held at Patriot Place with the Hon. Tom Brady presiding.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I already answered it WEO.  I was just jumping ahead to when you'd say "no, he didn't get charged because of who he is" to which I'd reply "well then, why did Bobby get charged, is it because...?"

 

No, if anyone got off in that case, it was the crooked cop(s).  And nowhere else would what Shady did have been called "assault" despite your wishes otherwise.  Which again gets back to the heart of the matter.

 

 

You haven't answered why the cops did not charge McCoy?  (hint, it's not "who he is").

 

A guy stomping (along with others) another guy on the ground isn't assault?  

 

Come on doc,  it's another simple question.....

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

You haven't answered why the cops did not charge McCoy?  (hint, it's not "who he is").

 

A guy stomping (along with others) another guy on the ground isn't assault?  

 

Come on doc,  it's another simple question.....

 

"While it is clear a physical altercation took place and that several people were injured, there is insufficient credible evidence to determine which of the participants were the initial aggressor or whether some participants were acting in self defense or reasonable defense of another," [Philadelphia District Attorney Seth] Williams said.

[Billschinatown]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

"While it is clear a physical altercation took place and that several people were injured, there is insufficient credible evidence to determine which of the participants were the initial aggressor or whether some participants were acting in self defense or reasonable defense of another," [Philadelphia District Attorney Seth] Williams said.

 

check mate.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Billschinatown said:

check mate.

 

Doubtful.  You see, we went over all of this 3 years ago when it happened.  He knows why Shady did what he did and thus was never charged.  But the thing is, he doesn't care.  He doesn't like Shady so to him Shady assaulted (if Shady had shown that clip of himself and talked about how he beat up a cop, WEO would be the first one laughing at him) the cop unprovoked, he got off but not because of what the DA said, and that's that.

[Mr. WEO]

27 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

"While it is clear a physical altercation took place and that several people were injured, there is insufficient credible evidence to determine which of the participants were the initial aggressor or whether some participants were acting in self defense or reasonable defense of another," [Philadelphia District Attorney Seth] Williams said.

 

Ahhh.  So since there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute,  charges were not brought.

 

So when a person is not charged, to you that means he committed no crime.. innocent, in other words?

[Doc]

47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Ahhh.  So since there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute,  charges were not brought.

 

Yup.  The DA did a solid for the cop.

 

47 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

So when a person is not charged, to you that means he committed no crime.. innocent, in other words?

 

Depends on the situation.  The DA said that Shady provided reasonable defense of another.

[Mr. WEO]

34 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  The DA did a solid for the cop.

 

 

Depends on the situation.  The DA said that Shady provided reasonable defense of another.

 

 

In your quote,  that's not what he said. 

 

In "the situation" of McCoy, the quote you cite says there's "insufficient evidence" as to who was the initial aggressor "or whether" someone was coming to the defense of another.  In other words, the DA doesn't know what in fact took place  to the point of charging with intent to convict.

 

I'll ask again, if a DA cannot determine if the facts support a charge and decides not to charge, to you that means the individual did not commit a crime? This is the only reason you have offered for your conclusion.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

In your quote,  that's not what he said. 

 

In "the situation" of McCoy, the quote you cite says there's "insufficient evidence" as to who was the initial aggressor "or whether" someone was coming to the defense of another.  In other words, the DA doesn't know what in fact took place  to the point of charging with intent to convict.

 

I'll ask again, if a DA cannot determine if the facts support a charge and decides not to charge, to you that means the individual did not commit a crime? This is the only reason you have offered for your conclusion.

 

Again it depends on the case.  In Shady's case, no he didn't commit a crime.  So he wasn't charged.

 

In Bobby's case, even you have admitted he broke the law...based on the evidence...for which he was charged.  Whether he beats the rap in court, seeing as how he refused the plea deal, is another story.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Again it depends on the case.  In Shady's case, no he didn't commit a crime.  So he wasn't charged.

 

In Bobby's case, even you have admitted he broke the law...based on the evidence...for which he was charged.  Whether he beats the rap in court, seeing as how he refused the plea deal, is another story.

 

 

Again, your only assessment of whether McCoy committed a crime is that he wasn't charged with a crime.  The DA didn't conclude he did not commit a crime, so why have you?  Be specific.

 

The DA in Kraft's case has offered a deal where he will also not charge him with a crime.  So you would conclude that no crime was committed.

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Again, your only assessment of whether McCoy committed a crime is that he wasn't charged with a crime.  The DA didn't conclude he did not commit a crime, so why have you?  Be specific.

 

The DA in Kraft's case has offered a deal where he will also not charge him with a crime.  So you would conclude that no crime was committed.

Didn't that plea deal also involve him admitting he would of been convicted though?

[Doc]

9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Again, your only assessment of whether McCoy committed a crime is that he wasn't charged with a crime.  The DA didn't conclude he did not commit a crime, so why have you?  Be specific.

 

The DA in Kraft's case has offered a deal where he will also not charge him with a crime.  So you would conclude that no crime was committed.

 

Eyewitnesses said the cop started the fight.  The/a cop is not some Joe Shmoe that can be steamrolled by a celebrity and had eyewitnesses said the friend started the fight, at the minimum the friend would have been charged.  Hence the DA's statement was obviously meant to cover for the cop and say that Shady's friend was defending himself and Shady was defending his friend, therefore no charges.  I know you either truly  believe he was guilty or are being disingenuous because you want him to be guilty and/or you have an agenda.   Doesn't matter which.

 

As for the plea deal, like warcoded said, he'd have to admit guilt, which is why he didn't take it.  But why aren't you outraged that he didn't take it?  Again if this were Shady, you'd be screaming for him to plead guilty to the highest charge possible.  Oh yes, you are merely offering up his defense, just like you did with Shady.  Oh, wait...

Edited April 1, 2019 by Doc

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 

Pass me some.

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Didn't that plea deal also involve him admitting he would of been convicted though?

 

It sure did---as opposed to doc's confusion below.

 

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Eyewitnesses said the cop started the fight.  The/a cop is not some Joe Shmoe that can be steamrolled by a celebrity and had eyewitnesses said the friend started the fight, at the minimum the friend would have been charged.  Hence the DA's statement was obviously meant to cover for the cop and say that Shady's friend was defending himself and Shady was defending his friend, therefore no charges.  I know you either truly  believe he was guilty or are being disingenuous because you want him to be guilty and/or you have an agenda.   Doesn't matter which.

 

As for the plea deal, like warcoded said, he'd have to admit guilt, which is why he didn't take it.  But why aren't you outraged that he didn't take it?  Again if this were Shady, you'd be screaming for him to plead guilty to the highest charge possible.  Oh yes, you are merely offering up his defense, just like you did with Shady.  Oh, wait...

 

The DA says he does not know who started the fight.  Unless you have a statement from him saying otherwise, you have only that.  But, jeez, I guess I dodn't consider the DA was "covering" for the cop!  That would be news to the cop and the PBA...   I think McCoy was guilty of jumping in on a beat down.  That's assault.  I think Kraft is guilty of soliciting for a handie.  I don't know how to make that simpler for you.

 

And no, that's not what warcoded said (your a poor confabulator as always).  He accurately said that the johns would not admit guilt, but that thye would have been found guilty at court.  Big difference. 

 

If McCoy had such a plea deal and he took it, I would laugh at what a moron he was for taking such a sucker's deal instead of calling the DA's bluff.  Just like you would in Kraft's case, as you already have conceded.

[row_33]

if this helps not showing him about 85 times a game and keeping the camera on the field, I'm for it.

 

 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

It sure did---as opposed to doc's confusion below.

 

 

The DA says he does not know who started the fight.  Unless you have a statement from him saying otherwise, you have only that.  But, jeez, I guess I dodn't consider the DA was "covering" for the cop!  That would be news to the cop and the PBA...   I think McCoy was guilty of jumping in on a beat down.  That's assault.  I think Kraft is guilty of soliciting for a handie.  I don't know how to make that simpler for you.

 

And no, that's not what warcoded said (your a poor confabulator as always).  He accurately said that the johns would not admit guilt, but that thye would have been found guilty at court.  Big difference. 

 

If McCoy had such a plea deal and he took it, I would laugh at what a moron he was for taking such a sucker's deal instead of calling the DA's bluff.  Just like you would in Kraft's case, as you already have conceded.

 

You can think what you want in Shady's case.  It doesn't jibe with reality but hey, when has that ever stopped you?  You are all alone in your belief and not even the cops believe it seeing as how they never even filed a civil suit.

 

And you yourself said the plea deal was a joke.  Why?  That's right, because it forced him to admit guilt.  See how easy that was?

[iinii]

This is getting close to 70 pages! Excellent work folks

[Doc]

2 hours ago, row_33 said:

if this helps not showing him about 85 times a game and keeping the camera on the field, I'm for it.

 

No, they'll probably show him more, just to see if his true love is with him.

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You can think what you want in Shady's case.  It doesn't jibe with reality but hey, when has that ever stopped you?  You are all alone in your belief and not even the cops believe it seeing as how they never even filed a civil suit.

 

And you yourself said the plea deal was a joke.  Why?  That's right, because it forced him to admit guilt.  See how easy that was?

 

 

It didn't.  What it did was require him and the others to give the DA a phony "W" when it is clear that even the DA feels the weakness of his months long investigation. 

 

Well, thank you for allowing me to think what I like and not fall in lock-step with your Bills Pro Shop merchandize orthodoxy.   I was hardly the only poster who figured McCoy for kicking a guy on his back---or that he's a knucklehead.  You can't conceive of the possibility that this guy is, as is Kraft, a total POS.  You are in a small group of devotees who feel that McCoy has never done anything he has been accused by myriad individuals---instead he is just extremely unlucky, even by NFL bad boy player standards.  Persecuted even...

 

 

Edited April 1, 2019 by Mr. WEO