Sig1Hunter Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: 6 had enough money to get the deal. Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: He hands her a hundred $ bill and another they didn’t identify Perhaps the old evil twin defense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Warcodered said: Perhaps the old evil twin defense? Who hijacked his plane and flew from South Florida to KC hours before the championship game hours before the championship game that is still what I don't get....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 15 hours ago, The Senator said: As I stated, without audio evidence, his lawyer can argue he was paying off a football bet. Sounds ridiculous, I know, but that’s what we pay lawyers fixers to do. All you need is one juror. . According to MSM anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 https://wtop.com/nfl/2019/03/patriots-owner-wants-prostitution-video-blocked-from-public/ "Prosecutors have offered to drop the charges if Kraft and the men enter a diversion program for first-time offenders. That would include an admission they would be found guilty if their case went to trial, a $5,000 fine, 100 hours of community service and attendance in a class on the dangers of prostitution and its connection to human trafficking. They would also have to make a court appearance and be tested for sexually transmitted diseases." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BBillsWestCoast said: https://wtop.com/nfl/2019/03/patriots-owner-wants-prostitution-video-blocked-from-public/ "Prosecutors have offered to drop the charges if Kraft and the men enter a diversion program for first-time offenders. That would include an admission they would be found guilty if their case went to trial, a $5,000 fine, 100 hours of community service and attendance in a class on the dangers of prostitution and its connection to human trafficking. They would also have to make a court appearance and be tested for sexually transmitted diseases." Oh man, if I had a nickel for every time I was asked to make a court appearance and be tested for sexually transmitted diseases I would have 0 nickels. Edited March 21, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: Oh man, if I had a nickel for every time I was asked to make a court appearance and be tested for sexually transmitted diseases I would have 0 nickels. $6 Billion dollar man caught on video and no one wants to see his sex tape. He is afraid of the ZERO STAR rating! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, BBillsWestCoast said: $6 Billion dollar man caught on video and no one wants to see his sex tape. He is afraid of the ZERO STAR rating! Unlike Kraft, BB-Dubs, this just never gets old. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBillsWestCoast Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, dollars 2 donuts said: Unlike Kraft, BB-Dubs, this just never gets old. Robert Kraft O-Face! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, BBillsWestCoast said: Robert Kraft O-Face! that necklace kills me doe he think hes a punk rapper? and for christs sake GET your teeth straightened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 On 3/19/2019 at 7:33 PM, Mr. WEO said: So...they will not charge him with a crime, but he has to admit he is guilty of a crime in order for them to drop the charges? LOL---who would take this deal?? The only reason the Da is offering to drop charges is because both the video surveillance and the stop were illegal and would struggle to be admitted as evidence. They know they bungled this case (as sting about "sex trafficking" and slavery....where they spend months letting it go on and on, only busting johns getting handies as these girls suffered every day this "sting" went on?). Now as it crumbles, they are coming up with goofy plea deals. I bet Kraft (and the rest of these guys) and the lawyers smell blood in the water and refuse this. Wouldn't anyone here? How were the video tape and stop illegal? How can they set up a sting operation for months and not thought through the all legalities? Are you going to claim entrapment, is that the angle that they were "illegal">? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, BBillsWestCoast said: Robert Kraft O-Face! Hes worth 6 billion and can’t get his teeth fixed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: How were the video tape and stop illegal? How can they set up a sting operation for months and not thought through the all legalities? Are you going to claim entrapment, is that the angle that they were "illegal">? No one will claim entrapment. Don't have to. Legal experts immediately questioned whether the cops appropriately petitioned for the video warrant. There has to be no other way to obtain the same evidence (guys getting tugged) without video, before the video can be set up. Obviously, there are many ways cops can catch johns paying for sex that don't require video taping everyone entering this business establishment. So the video is tainted. There is no audio in the video, so even if it show some old Asian massage parlor owner tugging an old billionaire, it doesn't prove he solicited her for money. The traffic stop was performed under false pretense. They told the driver of the car (who was not Kraft) that it was a traffic stop, when in fact the driver and his car were stopped just to see who the passenger was. That would get tossed. Interestingly, not one person in all of this has been charged with "human trafficking", despite the DA's big show last month. Edited March 21, 2019 by Mr. WEO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No one will claim entrapment. Don't have to. Legal experts immediately questioned whether the cops appropriately petitioned for the video warrant. There has to be no other way to obtain the same evidence (guys getting tugged) without video, before the video can be set up. Obviously, there are many ways cops can catch johns paying for sex that don't require video taping everyone entering this business establishment. So the video is tainted. There is no audio in the video, so even if it show some old Asian massage parlor owner tugging an old billionaire, it doesn't prove he solicited her for money. The traffic stop was performed under false pretense. They told the driver of the car (who was not Kraft) that it was a traffic stop, when in fact the driver and his car were stopped just to see who the passenger was. That would get tossed. Interestingly, not one person in all of this has been charged with "human trafficking", despite the DA's big show last month. How freaking stupid can they be, if they can set it up for video no doubt audio wont be very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: How freaking stupid can they be, if they can set it up for video no doubt audio wont be very difficult. How stupid? How abouu an undercover cop goes in and offers to pay for a tug job? That’s how it’s done. No need for any video. And that’s the argument his lawyers will make to challage it as evidence. It was completely unnecessary to bust the owners for running a rub and tug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No one will claim entrapment. Don't have to. Legal experts immediately questioned whether the cops appropriately petitioned for the video warrant. There has to be no other way to obtain the same evidence (guys getting tugged) without video, before the video can be set up. Obviously, there are many ways cops can catch johns paying for sex that don't require video taping everyone entering this business establishment. So the video is tainted. There is no audio in the video, so even if it show some old Asian massage parlor owner tugging an old billionaire, it doesn't prove he solicited her for money. The traffic stop was performed under false pretense. They told the driver of the car (who was not Kraft) that it was a traffic stop, when in fact the driver and his car were stopped just to see who the passenger was. That would get tossed. Interestingly, not one person in all of this has been charged with "human trafficking", despite the DA's big show last month. If Kraft knew you loved him so much he could have saved $114. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How stupid? How abouu an undercover cop goes in and offers to pay for a tug job? That’s how it’s done. No need for any video. And that’s the argument his lawyers will make to challage it as evidence. It was completely unnecessary to bust the owners for running a rub and tug. Right and then they would miss anyone else involved that didn't happen to be there at that time. I mean isn't that what these kind of police operations are for, to catch more of the criminals involved often higher level ones and get more evidence against them. I mean you go in there once with an undercover officer all you prove is at best this particular establishment did those things at worst only that particular masseuse. I mean Robert Kraft and the other johns I'd think weren't the target so much as the collaterally caught criminals in the collection of evidence against this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 16 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said: Wrong. Yes, I know you are wrong. Money drives everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: How freaking stupid can they be, if they can set it up for video no doubt audio wont be very difficult. How stupid? How abouu an undercover cop goes in and offers to pay for a tug job? That’s how it’s done. No need for any video. And that’s the argument his lawyers will make to challage it as evidence. It was completely unnecessary to bust the owners for running a rub and tug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How stupid? How abouu an undercover cop goes in and offers to pay for a tug job? That’s how it’s done. No need for any video. And that’s the argument his lawyers will make to challage it as evidence. It was completely unnecessary to bust the owners for running a rub and tug. lol what on earth are you talking about Edited March 21, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 39 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Right and then they would miss anyone else involved that didn't happen to be there at that time. I mean isn't that what these kind of police operations are for, to catch more of the criminals involved often higher level ones and get more evidence against them. I mean you go in there once with an undercover officer all you prove is at best this particular establishment did those things at worst only that particular masseuse. I mean Robert Kraft and the other johns I'd think weren't the target so much as the collaterally caught criminals in the collection of evidence against this organization. The DAs stated objective was to bust a sex trafficking ring, specifically, not to catch a bunch of Johns. Waiting to bust 100 guys before moving in means the DA was just BS’ing about this all along. It’s not about trafficking after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: The DAs stated objective was to bust a sex trafficking ring, specifically, not to catch a bunch of Johns. Waiting to bust 100 guys before moving in means the DA was just BS’ing about this all along. It’s not about trafficking after all. Prostitution is sex trafficking. Grabbing the Johns(no pun intended) is part of enforcing the sex trafficking laws. You're making it sound like just getting the pimp is the sole objective. You're trying to say the net we toss out to catch criminals has to be small(narrow), and only allowed to keep the targeted species. Actually, the smarter enforcement throws out a large net, and doesn't throw back the bycatch. No DA or judge is gonna throw out the case, because they happened to catch more crimes. If you're caught on video committing a crime, during an investigation, they don't shut down the other investigation to make that arrest right away. Lastly, if they suspected 'human' trafficking, it doesn't mean they felt all those girls in there were being sex slaves, so they better raid the whole place right now. It could just mean there was a suspicion of it. Stop listening to Wuuudy Juuuwiani. ...and furthermore, the NFL should come down VERY hard for the face of the league to exhibit this type of "behavior". Edited March 21, 2019 by daz28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, BBillsWestCoast said: $6 Billion dollar man caught on video and no one wants to see his sex tape. He is afraid of the ZERO STAR rating! I want to see the video!!! I want to screenshot that face when he is about to reach his climax and make a poster that covers sections 111-113 when the Bills play the Pats. His little squatty body and what one can only assume a less than impressive nether region covering 3 sections!! We need this to happen!! Edited March 21, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: lol what on earth are you talking about What was the confusing part? 11 minutes ago, daz28 said: Prostitution is sex trafficking. Grabbing the Johns(no pun intended) is part of enforcing the sex trafficking laws. You're making it sound like just getting the pimp is the sole objective. You're trying to say the net we toss out to catch criminals has to be small(narrow), and only allowed to keep the targeted species. Actually, the smarter enforcement throws out a large net, and doesn't throw back the bycatch. No DA or judge is gonna throw out the case, because they happened to catch more crimes. If you're caught on video committing a crime, during an investigation, they don't shut down the other investigation to make that arrest right away. Lastly, if they suspected 'human' trafficking, it doesn't mean they felt all those girls in there were being sex slaves, so they better raid the whole place right now. It could just mean there was a suspicion of it. Stop listening to Wuuudy Juuuwiani. ...and furthermore, the NFL should come down VERY hard for the face of the league to exhibit this type of "behavior". Sorry, human trafficking. The sole objective to this police action was to bust a human trafficking ring. This was clearly the police and DA's stated goal. Yet a month after arrests were made after a 9 month investigation, not a single person has been charged with trafficking crimes. I'm not quoting Giuliani (WTF??)--I'm quoting the Martin County Sherriff, who, with great fanfare announced the bust with this: "Snyder outlined a transcontinental human trafficking operation: “The tentacles of this go from here to New York to China, in Florida from here to Orange County.” He described this as "the tip of the iceberg". They were tipped off by an inspector that there may have been evidence of human trafficking. So they set up the sting. If all they wanted was to bust a rub and tug whorehouse, they could have done so anytime at any of these places years ago. So.....they ALWAYS suspected human trafficking, yet they dragged this on so they could bust 100 johns and offer them pretrial diversion, a fine and community service. Wow---that's amazing! Caught on video getting a tug job is not a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: What was the confusing part? Nothing was confusing it was just nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Nothing was confusing it was just nonsense. So sending undercover cops in as johns (or hookers for that matter) to bust whorehouses or johns is something you haven't heard of before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: So sending undercover cops in as johns (or hookers for that matter) to bust whorehouses or johns is something you haven't heard of before? Is that what I said? Edited March 22, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bangarang said: The point you’re trying to make here is not the same as the one I responded to. I said that, since there are myriad other ways to bust whorehouses and johns, there was no need for them to get a warrant for the video surveillance. You then asked what I was talking about. What part was confusing you that prompted your response such as it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I said that, since there are myriad other ways to bust whorehouses and johns, there was no need for them to get a warrant for the video surveillance. Was the point of this entire investigation to just bust a handful of guys or girls soliciting these spa workers for sex? Or was there a bigger picture here? 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You then asked what I was talking about. What part was confusing you that prompted your response such as it was? And I already said nothing was confusing. It was just nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Was the point of this entire investigation to just bust a handful of guys or girls soliciting these spa workers for sex? Or was there a bigger picture here? And I already said nothing was confusing. It was just nonsense. Why was it nonsense? It's clear that the video wasn't needed to close down the place and arrest the people running it. So....that's why Kraft (and likely every other john at this point) will challenge their charges and the evidence against them. Pretty straightforward and consistent with everything so far reported. If that's still "nonsense" to your thinking, I'm not sure how to respond at this point... The entire point of the investigation, according to the Sherriff, was to bust a human trafficking ring. Yet they have charged no on with this crime. The "bigger picture" has thus far yielded only the arrests of the owner of the place and a bunch of johns. Big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: I want to see the video!!! I want to screenshot that face when he is about to reach his climax and make a poster that covers sections 111-113 when the Bills play the Pats. His little squatty body and what one can only assume a less than impressive nether region covering 3 sections!! We need this to happen!! Blowing it up to cover 3 sections might end up being....flattering(?) in some respects? Leave those “nether regions” in actual size. That would be my suggestion. Tricky digitry, but well worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Why was it nonsense? It's clear that the video wasn't needed to close down the place and arrest the people running it. So....that's why Kraft (and likely every other john at this point) will challenge their charges and the evidence against them. Pretty straightforward and consistent with everything so far reported. If that's still "nonsense" to your thinking, I'm not sure how to respond at this point... The entire point of the investigation, according to the Sherriff, was to bust a human trafficking ring. Yet they have charged no on with this crime. The "bigger picture" has thus far yielded only the arrests of the owner of the place and a bunch of johns. Big deal. So your saying that if they set up a sting to catch a human trafficking ring but didn't catch one that any other crimes they caught in the process get a freebie? I don't think that's how that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 He shouldn’t fight it. Look what it did for Paris Hilton. Did he take any selfies? Has his buddy the Commissioner asked him to surrender his cell phone yet? Maybe he’ll have to give up his ownership in the Pats***. What a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Warcodered said: So your saying that if they set up a sting to catch a human trafficking ring but didn't catch one that any other crimes they caught in the process get a freebie? I don't think that's how that works. No one is giving "a freebie". Even if the DA/cops had not F'ed up their search issues, the best they could have gotten out of Kraft and the other 100 johns is pretrial diversion, community service and fines. Yet now they may not even get that. The proof of the sorry state of their case is that they offered to not charge him at all---if he agreed to say he was guilty. WTF is that?! LOL. SO, to recap. A many months long investigation to bust a "tip of the iceberg" human trafficking ring stretching from Florida to NYC to China has resulted in the zero arrests so far for trafficking , the arrest of the owner for running an obvious whorehouse, and the arrests of 100 guys who, at least one, is being offered a deal where there is no charge against them at all. That's how this "has worked" so far for the sex slave saviors in Martin County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nanker said: He shouldn’t fight it. Look what it did for Paris Hilton. Did he take any selfies? Has his buddy the Commissioner asked him to surrender his cell phone yet? Maybe he’ll have to give up his ownership in the Pats***. What a shame. Bobby's trying to get the video blocked so that Rog doesn't see the assault he committed on that poor woman. Despite the fact that it was instant love and he paid her. Hmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Bobby's trying to get the video blocked so that Rog doesn't see the assault he committed on that poor woman. Despite the fact that it was instant love and he paid her. Hmmmm.... Poor woman? She was the operator of the place. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Poor woman? She was the operator of the place. LOL Poor woman...for having to endure that. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Poor woman...for having to endure that. ? It's the business she runs. How about this for a defense? A "certified , licensed massage therapist" performs the rub and tug. Then the guy "tips" her $100. Even if caught on camera....not a crime. Edited March 22, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Why was it nonsense? It's clear that the video wasn't needed to close down the place and arrest the people running it. So....that's why Kraft (and likely every other john at this point) will challenge their charges and the evidence against them. Pretty straightforward and consistent with everything so far reported. If that's still "nonsense" to your thinking, I'm not sure how to respond at this point... Are you trying to argue that because the surveillance was being used to investigate one crime, it shouldn’t be used as evidence against someone who is caught committing another crime? 20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The entire point of the investigation, according to the Sherriff, was to bust a human trafficking ring. Yet they have charged no on with this crime. The "bigger picture" has thus far yielded only the arrests of the owner of the place and a bunch of johns. Big deal. Sounds like they still busted an illegal operation, just not the one they were out to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Are you trying to argue that because the surveillance was being used to investigate one crime, it shouldn’t be used as evidence against someone who is caught committing another crime? Sounds like they still busted an illegal operation, just not the one they were out to get. Kind of like...stopping someone for smoking pot and finding a gun in the trunk of his car. Ah but that's totally different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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