Could the Bill's end up with 2 first rounders?

[CommonCents]

Just now, Spielman said:

I like this- my picks would be:

 

#24 - Cody Ford/Dalton Risner - G

#27 - Hakeem Butler, WR

#35 - Josh Jacobs, RB

#66 - Andy Isabella, WR

#75 - Kaden Smith, TE

Replace Jacobs with Holyfield and we can get married right now. 

[Spielman]

Just now, CommonCents said:

Replace Jacobs with Holyfield and we can get married right now. 

Forgot about Holyfield.....agreed.

[TigerJ]

I'm not opposed to it.  At Buffalo's positions of greatest need, there is not a lot of elite talent, but there is plenty of good talent.  The bottom of the first is a good place to be picking that up.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I would love that trade. Take the BPA at WR and OL,  bottom of the 1st is perfect for values at those positions. But I don't know who Oakland would be willing to trade up for.

Kyler Murrey would be my guess

[BillsFan1988]

5 minutes ago, Spielman said:

I like this- my picks would be:

 

#24 - Cody Ford/Dalton Risner - G

#27 - Hakeem Butler, WR

#35 - Josh Jacobs, RB

#66 - Andy Isabella, WR

#75 - Kaden Smith, TE

Ford will be long gone and Risner won't go in the first he will be a early 2nd day pk.

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

We got Tre White, who has been amazing for us, way down in the late 20's of the 1st round.

 

I would make this deal in a heartbeat. IF you hit on both and get 2 Tre White type players then look out! It's about to be rainbow and gumdrop season around here (a term I am taking from a Patriots troll who mocked my positive Bills thread!)

That’s a big if.. Getting two guys with the talent of White at the end of round 1.  Odds are highly against that. 

[BillsFan1988]

2 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Kyler Murrey would be my guess

Other then Murray could be a 

CB Greedy Williams 

MLB Devin White 

DT Ed Oliver

 

[Clyde Smith]

Remember we got Tre day with the 27th, so you can still strike gold in the bottom half. Hell, Randy Moss and I believe Aaron Rodgers was the 24th pick. I would be all in with the trade especially if we shore up positions of need in FA. Give me Butler, Irv Smith, Jacobs, Hockenstein or Risner at them spots.

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, Spielman said:

Forgot about Holyfield.....agreed.

 

 

Congratulations to both of you!!!

[Clyde Smith]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

I thought nobody watched or cared about ESPN for 20 years every time something true but harsh was said about the Bills....

ESPN totally disrespect the Bills even when the Bills are not the subject of conversation. The Peter man was the running joke all season especially with Bomani and the Filipino guy, can't remember his name.

8 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said:

Other then Murray could be a 

CB Greedy Williams 

MLB Devin White 

DT Ed Oliver

 

Mike Mayock is going to be making some moves on draft day.

[RyanC883]

I'd be fine with this.  I think we would not only get an extra 1st, but another 2nd or 3rd.   

 

In that case, you still get a great WR and OT in the 1st round.  Then use the extra pick on a RB.  

 

You could end up with Hockenson (TE) and Brown (OT); or Brown and Brown (OT and WR); or Risner (OT) and Metcalf (WR); or perhaps still grab Lawrence (DL) and a OL.   Lots of great players available there.  

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

More likely scenario: Bills stay at 9 & take a WR or OL, then they will trade UP back into the 1st round to take whichever of the 2 positions they didn't take at 9.  A much more likely scenario than Beane, who traded up twice last year in the 1st round, trading down and missing on a blue chipper at 9.  

 

So yes, the Bills will end up with 2 1st rounders. 

Edited February 8, 2019 by Albany,n.y.

[LSHMEAB]

10 minutes ago, Clyde Smith said:

ESPN totally disrespect the Bills even when the Bills are not the subject of conversation. The Peter man was the running joke all season especially with Bomani and the Filipino guy, can't remember his name.

Le Batard? Pretty sure he's Cuban or Puerto Rican. Either way, he's an idiot. Although in fairness, this very board had some fun with the Peterman. I think the humor Peterman brought to the table was more about him than it was about the Bills. The Peterman transcends any particular NFL team. The trashing of the Bills died down a bit for that decision when Tyrod played poorly.

 

It doesn't even bother me when they trash the Bills. All pub is good pub. Mostly, the Bills don't even exist on ESPN. Having said that, the Chiefs are in a similar boat. Nobody gives a flying leap about the Chiefs unless they have a star QB. If Allen becomes a star, we'll get some pub.

 

Now that I think about it, you could be talking about that dude named Pablo something or other.

Edited February 8, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[Pete]

in a new york minute.  

first round-picks 24, 27

second round 40

third round 75

fourth round 106, 131

fifth round 137,148

6th round 168

7th round 203, 206

I would then make moves up and down drafting as many top 75 players as possible, and of course adding draft picks next year.  The Colts used this strategy last year, and had 4 second round picks.  They were pretty good ones too- Darius Leonard, Braden Smith, Kemoko Turay,Tyquan Lewis.  If we have 6 picks in the 3 rounds, we can draft 2 OL, 2 TE, 1 WR, 1 Edge for example.  And IMO that much improves the Bills than drafting a stud at 9

 

 

[RyanC883]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said:

Ford will be long gone and Risner won't go in the first he will be a early 2nd day pk.

 

Risner is getting some 1st day love in some mocks.  

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-mock-draft-dolphins-pick-dwayne-haskins-raiders-land-two-pass-catchers/

[White Linen]

31 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said:

Who's to say the players we get at 24 & 27 won't be better then the player at 9 . There is no exact science to the draft some many factors involved.  With that being said I think this yr is a great yr to move back in don't see the top 10 as top heavy as recent yrs . I think McBeane would love to make a deal likeep this. 

 

I acknowledged and addressed that.   Go back and read my post.  

[nucci]

we could.....or could not....could go either way

[RPbillsfan]

Hmmmmmm, an interesting trade down.  Depending on FA pick-ups.  If we get a RT and G along with TE and DT.  I can see making this move.

 

Picking at 24, let's play the guessing game as to who will be left when the Bills pick.

 

Projected Picks:

 

Edge

Bosa, Allen, Sweat, Ferrell, Polite, Burns

DT 

Williams, Oliver, Wilkins, Simmons, Gary

QB

Haskins, Lock, Murray

OL

Williams, Ford, Taylor, Dillard

LB

White

DB

Williams, Murphy, Thompson

WR

Metcalf

 

The Bills now have picks 24 & 27

for now, Eagles at 25 have need at RB, Colts at 26, DT and WR

 

I would select at 24 - Hakeem Butler, Eagles then go Jacobs at RB and Colts go Dexter Lawrence, then at 27 I would select TJ Hockenson

 

At 40, hope for Risner or C from NC State

[boater]

I'd go into the draft as status quo. The trade decision should be made while the Bills are on the clock.

 

There could be a stellar steal available, who slipped for unknown reasons, and the Bills should jump on it with #9. It happens.

 

Alternatively, there could be no one really worth selecting at #9, in which event the Bills should trade down.

[CaptnCoke11]

28 minutes ago, nucci said:

we could.....or could not....could go either way

That is expert analysis right there 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

More likely scenario: Bills stay at 9 & take a WR or OL, then they will trade UP back into the 1st round to take whichever of the 2 positions they didn't take at 9.  A much more likely scenario than Beane, who traded up twice last year in the 1st round, trading down and missing on a blue chipper at 9.  

 

So yes, the Bills will end up with 2 1st rounders. 

 

Agree completely with this..

 

They will pick two players in the first round but it won’t be the two Raiders picks..

 

Ideally if there is no one they love at 9, they drop back a little around that early teens range for an extra 2nd or 3rd..

 

I could see the Rams at 31 as a likely trade back into the 1st partner as they have very few picks...

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, buffalobillswin said:

I'd much rather have the 9th pick than the 24th and 27th

I dont know man

 

We dont need a QB

The last time we dropped that far in the draft it was for 2 firsts (one the next year) and Tre White......which kinda worked out

[Tatonka68]

The cupboard is almost bare time to restock. Lets get #17 some players.

[LSHMEAB]

51 minutes ago, nucci said:

we could.....or could not....could go either way

It really just depends on what they do(or don't do).

[corta765]

4 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

would you trade down all the way to 24 to get another first? 

Absolutely! This draft is deep on both OL/DL which we need and the WR side once your out of the top 10 you actually have a good selection of guys without reaching. If we have to give a 2nd and an extra 5th for two firsts that result in OL and WR I am all for it.

[315Mafia]

we shall see! ?

Edited February 8, 2019 by 315Mafia

[BillsfanAZ]

Like others, I would like to see what the Bills do in FA first. The Raiders would really have to be in love with a player to trade two first round picks for #9. If they are that desperate, maybe throw in swapping second round picks.

[Tatonka68]

24. Dalton Risner OG/C/OT  Kansas St can play anywhere but will play Center.

27. Chris Lindstrom OG Boston College. 

40.  Irv Smith Jr. TE Alabama 

74. Isaiah Buggs DT Alabama.

 

Free Agents, Daryl Williams OT, Randal Cobb WR, and Thomas Davis LB.

 

Starting line up

QB Josh Allen 

RB Lesean McCoy

WR Randall Cobb (FA) Great sage and mentor to young WR core 

WR Zay Jones, Robert Foster

TE Irv Smith Jr, 2nd round pick. Clay is cut.

RT Daryl Williams (FA)

RG Chris Lindstrom 1st round pick

C Dalton Risner 1st round pick

LG Wyatt Teller 

LT Dion Dawkins 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2019 by Tatonka68

[NFLBighits]

2 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said:

#24 - TE  TJ Hockenson 

#27 - Wr  DK Metcalf 

#35- OT Dalton Risner

#66 - OG Michael Deiter

#75 -  WR Andy Isabella  

 

I'm thinking we be lucky to get DK Metcalf at #9 as I don't think the wideout class this year is as good as they say!

[Clyde Smith]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

Le Batard? Pretty sure he's Cuban or Puerto Rican. Either way, he's an idiot. Although in fairness, this very board had some fun with the Peterman. I think the humor Peterman brought to the table was more about him than it was about the Bills. The Peterman transcends any particular NFL team. The trashing of the Bills died down a bit for that decision when Tyrod played poorly.

 

It doesn't even bother me when they trash the Bills. All pub is good pub. Mostly, the Bills don't even exist on ESPN. Having said that, the Chiefs are in a similar boat. Nobody gives a flying leap about the Chiefs unless they have a star QB. If Allen becomes a star, we'll get some pub.

 

Now that I think about it, you could be talking about that dude named Pablo something or other.

It's pretty laughable how they treat the Bills on Nfl live and the other talking head shows, doesn't bother me at all just noticed the disrespect. Yes, Pablo is his name.

[BillsFan1988]

3 minutes ago, NFLBighits said:

I'm thinking we be lucky to get DK Metcalf at #9 as I don't think the wideout class this year is as good as they say!

If he's a top 10 pk it's 90% based on his physical abilities. 

[Clyde Smith]

3 minutes ago, NFLBighits said:

I'm thinking we be lucky to get DK Metcalf at #9 as I don't think the wideout class this year is as good as they say!

Naw, wouldn't take him at nine. If we trade to 15 and he still there, then I would pull the trigger.

[ndirish1978]

I don't see this happening. I believe Mayock has confidence in Carr and sees the value in this draft outside of the top 10. The Raiders have a question mark at QB, the Redskins don't have a QB. If there is a trade down I think it's with Washington. 

[mjt328]

It's hard to say what our best move is, until we see:

A)  What we land in Free Agency

B)  Who is on the board at #9

 

By my count, the Bills need serious upgrades at Center, Guard, Tackle, Wide Receiver and Tight End. 

Even if we re-sign Jordan Phillips, we still don't really have a 3-Tech Defensive Tackle.

And even if you are in denial that Shady has lost a step, it certainly can't hurt to add another Running Back.

 

That gives us seven glaring problems in the starting lineup, which need to be addressed if we truly want to compete for the playoffs/division in 2019.

Personally, I think everyone picked on Day 3 of the draft is a long-shot to make an impact (at least during their rookie season).

Which means (barring a trade-down), we can only really expect to address three of those seven holes on draft day.  The rest need to be filled with free agents.

 

Considering how much cap space we have, I think landing a half-dozen starting caliber free agents is certainly doable.  But we aren't the only team competing for those guys, and some of the positions we need (WR and OG for instance) are very thin with guys that could truly be considered upgrades.  If we strikeout in free agency, then Beane may have no choice than to move down for more Day 1-2 picks.

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

It's hard to say what our best move is, until we see:

A)  What we land in Free Agency

B)  Who is on the board at #9

 

By my count, the Bills need serious upgrades at Center, Guard, Tackle, Wide Receiver and Tight End. 

Even if we re-sign Jordan Phillips, we still don't really have a 3-Tech Defensive Tackle.

And even if you are in denial that Shady has lost a step, it certainly can't hurt to add another Running Back.

 

That gives us seven glaring problems in the starting lineup, which need to be addressed if we truly want to compete for the playoffs/division in 2019.

Personally, I think everyone picked on Day 3 of the draft is a long-shot to make an impact (at least during their rookie season).

Which means (barring a trade-down), we can only really expect to address three of those seven holes on draft day.  The rest need to be filled with free agents.

 

Considering how much cap space we have, I think landing a half-dozen starting caliber free agents is certainly doable.  But we aren't the only team competing for those guys, and some of the positions we need (WR and OG for instance) are very thin with guys that could truly be considered upgrades.  If we strikeout in free agency, then Beane may have no choice than to move down for more Day 1-2 picks.

 

I would be looking at 3 tech DT's and RB's in the later rounds

 

We found Meatball in the 5th

 

 

[mjt328]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I would be looking at 3 tech DT's and RB's in the later rounds

 

We found Meatball in the 5th

 

 

Sure.  You are always going to find examples of Day 3 picks (and even undrafted free agents) who become good/great starters.

 

But if we are truly planning to compete for the AFC East next year, then we can't go into the season relying on rookies drafted 4th Round or later.

In my opinion, that's not truly "addressing" a position. 

It's crossing your fingers and hoping for the best.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

All I can say is fleece whoever is willing to be duped. Like KC did to us. Get as many picks as you can and go on an offensive shopping spree. 

[John from Riverside]

22 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Sure.  You are always going to find examples of Day 3 picks (and even undrafted free agents) who become good/great starters.

 

But if we are truly planning to compete for the AFC East next year, then we can't go into the season relying on rookies drafted 4th Round or later.

In my opinion, that's not truly "addressing" a position. 

It's crossing your fingers and hoping for the best.

 

 

You also cannot go into the season with a offense that a top 10 bills defense couldnt save from itself.......

 

We have been allocating assets to the defense for some time now....its time to make this team more balanced.

[IgotBILLStopay]

If Simmons is not a first round pick, I am in favor of moving up to #33 to take him. Genuine top 10 talent. From all accounts the young man has been a model citizen post-incident. If there is no redemption for him, smh.

Edited February 8, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay

[Formerly Allan in MD]

6 hours ago, buffalobillswin said:

I'd much rather have the 9th pick than the 24th and 27th

I'm in but would also go for the 10th thru 15th pick and an additional second rounder than the 24th and 27th.