Georgia Bill Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 He was targeted 6 times and caught 0. On the last one you could see Brady look right at him and let out an expletive. I thought then that he's not going to throw to him again. His contract is up, and he only caught 35 passes in the regular season. While he was surprisingly important in last years Super Bowl and made a fantastic one hand grab against KC, I'm still thinking when you disappoint in the Super Bowl, Belichick (and Brady) are going to remember it. If I recall on most of those targets he was thoroughly blanketed - and the passes weren't all that great, but I suspect he's going to bear the brunt of it and be somewhere else next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I don’t think they will bring him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) He'll never break out of Stalag "12"... Edited February 6, 2019 by Mr. WEO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Overrated by many here. Dude is a number #4-5 WR. No interest in bringing him back if he is a FA. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 minute ago, billieve420 said: Overrated by many here. Dude is a number #4-5 WR. No interest in bringing him back if he is a FA. Then he would immediately become a #3 with this crew on the Bills. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Fan Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Overrated by many here. Dude is a number #4-5 WR. No interest in bringing him back if he is a FA. Totally agree. He is IMO in the perfect offense for his skills as a WR. If he cannot make it in NE, and 35 catches in that offense is not enough, I do not see him making it with any other team. Edited February 6, 2019 by JK Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Now he can play lacrosse again. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He'll never break out of Stalag "12"... 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Just now, klos63 said: 13 TB12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browntown Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 He got what he needed, which was more than we had to offer him at the time. More money, suberbowls, great coach, and TB throwing to him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 7-11 was closed last Sunday. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 All they need is Edelman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: All they need is PEDelman There, I fixed it for you. 2 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: All they need is Edelman Well he is Canton bound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Hogan is a good athlete who's hit 30 years of age. He will decline because that's what happens to most guys. Edelman is 32, another guy who uses his athleticism to be effective. Wes Welker is now 37 -- he was an earlier version of Hogan and Edelman -- quick, not really fast, tough, strong, agile, smart. Yes, I'm aware they're all white men. So what? They all fit into the Belichick-Brady system, which relies on receivers recognizing coverages and getting open quickly for quick passes so Brady doesn't get hit and the chains move. I was disappointed that Hogan left and really pissed that he went to the Pats, but that's the nature of the business. The nature of the Pats is rent-a-guy, bringing in people with a couple of years left who can still play and who understand the game. Not many Pats play there very long. Ex-Pats are usually not worth signing because Belichick has squeezed out all the juice they had, and because they have been great at fitting into Belichick's system rather than being great players who will excel anywhere else. So Hogan signs with the Bills and gives them a couple of good years, then moves on, makes a lot of money, gets rings -- sounds like a pretty good career for a lacrosse player -- or anyone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Georgia Bill said: He was targeted 6 times and caught 0. On the last one you could see Brady look right at him and let out an expletive. I thought then that he's not going to throw to him again. His contract is up, and he only caught 35 passes in the regular season. While he was surprisingly important in last years Super Bowl and made a fantastic one hand grab against KC, I'm still thinking when you disappoint in the Super Bowl, Belichick (and Brady) are going to remember it. If I recall on most of those targets he was thoroughly blanketed - and the passes weren't all that great, but I suspect he's going to bear the brunt of it and be somewhere else next year. I rewatched the game. He was blanketed three times (the INT play and 2 deep throws where Peters covered him), one pass was tipped and behind him (bad decision to throw into what looked like triple coverage), one was a one hopper across the middle where he was open (bad throw), and one was a drop on a not particularly well thrown ball that would have resulted in precisely zero yards if caught. Brady yelled at himself on the one hopper, not Hogan. To be fair, Brady was pressured on that throw and didn’t really step into it. The narrative that he had some sort of bad game because he screwed up is flawed. He’s a great blocker and played almost every snap. That said, I suspect he’s gone. Edited February 6, 2019 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: All they need is Edelman I don't think so. Edelman was superb in this year's SB. Two years ago Hogan was superb. They all fall off a cliff about now. Gronk is beat up. I don't know if he's finished or not. He can still play but the wear and tear have taken their toll. If he retires and Hogan is cut, Edelman will not be sufficient. He can be contained if the defense doesn't need to respect anyone else. Josh Gordon might not be back. If the only serious WR threat the Pats have is Edelman, he can be covered. Of course, Belichick will figure something out as he always does, but the solution will have to be more than Edelman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 PS re my post above - Hogan played 63 snaps (88 percent of all plays) and only came out for the late td drive when McDaniels went with the heavy 2 TE set to get the rams out of nickel (and then proceeded to pass it 4 straight plays down to the 2). He played in 93 percent of the snaps vs the eagles and in 97 percent vs the Falcons (more than anyone besides brady and the o-linemen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Utah John said: I don't think so. Edelman was superb in this year's SB. Two years ago Hogan was superb. They all fall off a cliff about now. Edelman was superb in all the Playoff games.. Lets hope he falls off that cliff real soon John because I certainly didn't see any sign of it.. Edited February 6, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Edelman was superb in all the Playoff games.. Lets hope he falls off that cliff real soon John because I certainly didn't see any signs of it.. He wont though , not when you take PED’s during the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: PS re my post above - Hogan played 63 snaps (88 percent of all plays) and only came out for the late td drive when McDaniels went with the heavy 2 TE set to get the rams out of nickel (and then proceeded to pass it 4 straight plays down to the 2). He played in 93 percent of the snaps vs the eagles and in 97 percent vs the Falcons (more than anyone besides brady and the o-linemen). That is because in almost all pass plays he is a designated blocker past line of scrimmage first and catcher second. It is similar to role with Bills he had unless he was not taken seriously by defense and then would make play after play. I watched replays of plays of game and the Rams were careful to keep him covered but they should have spent more of game planning of Edelman. Have not been able to hear from Wade and why he was open so often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 No thanks.... we need guys with speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberTheRockpile Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Uncle Joe said: 7-11 was closed last Sunday. His new nickname will be Chick-fil-A. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Hogan has always been so overrated. But he did not get a single clean catchable ball in the SuperBowl. Maybe that was him not getting separation, but Brady did him no favors either. For as awful as Goff was, Brady was not much better. The seam pass to Gronk was a good ball but even that one hung a little. He put a few passes in the turf and the INT was a misread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 He's completely dispensable and probably will be dispensed of this offseason. Brady really doesn't throw the ball outside the numbers very often or very effectively anymore. The Pats are not going to invest heavily on an outside receiver at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said: He's completely dispensable and probably will be dispensed of this offseason. Brady really doesn't throw the ball outside the numbers very often or very effectively anymore. The Pats are not going to invest heavily on an outside receiver at this point. The Hogan aspect of this is the least important takeaway. Brady’s arm is declining? Hmmmm....... Do say...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think they will bring him back Nor me. He has been a good pickup for them and made some big plays in his 3 years... but this was his least effective year and I would not expect them to bring him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, JK Fan said: Totally agree. He is IMO in the perfect offense for his skills as a WR. If he cannot make it in NE, and 35 catches in that offense is not enough, I do not see him making it with any other team. 2016 with the Pats 58 targets for 38 catches 2017 with the Pats 59 targets for 34 catches 2018 with the Pats 55 targets for 35 catches He's doing what they want. 35 is plenty, or they'd have gotten rid of him before. They don't throw a lot to their outside guys. He isn't making a ton. They might keep him or let him go but it won't be because he suddenly hasn't been doing enough. Edited February 6, 2019 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He'll never break out of Stalag "12"... ,..... Jawohl, Herr Kommandant.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 10 hours ago, Browntown said: He got what he needed, which was more than we had to offer him at the time. More money, suberbowls, great coach, and TB throwing to him. yeah good for him. such a good choice he made. same for Woods, Watkins, Goodwin, that whole receiving crew needed to get the h-ll out of B Lo and they did it and are so much better off for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 We should have never tried to get him on the cheap, and he did perform at NE for awhile. I wouldn’t want him back as we have much more attractive URFA out there this year if not resigned by their respective teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 48 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ,..... Jawohl, Herr Kommandant.......... “I know nuh-think!!” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Why bring him back? He isn't that great anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: 2016 with the Pats 58 targets for 38 catches 2017 with the Pats 59 targets for 34 catches 2018 with the Pats 55 targets for 35 catches He's doing what they want. 35 is plenty, or they'd have gotten rid of him before. They don't throw a lot to their outside guys. He isn't making a ton. They might keep him or let him go but it won't be because he suddenly hasn't been doing enough. Yes, his catch numbers aren’t what people should be focusing on. He is almost always a leader or one of the leaders in terms of offensive snaps outside of Brady and the o-line. He does a lot of other things in that offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Well he is Canton bound. By bus? 1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said: yeah good for him. such a good choice he made. same for Woods, Watkins, Goodwin, that whole receiving crew needed to get the h-ll out of B Lo and they did it and are so much better off for it. Had to get out of QB purgatory. Hopefully things are different here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 11 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Well he is Canton bound. ...Edelman first....ask Schefter.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: He'll never break out of Stalag "12"... Maybe he owns a motorcycle, like a TR-6? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Yes, his catch numbers aren’t what people should be focusing on. He is almost always a leader or one of the leaders in terms of offensive snaps outside of Brady and the o-line. He does a lot of other things in that offense. Bingo. Hogan is on the field to block first, catch the ball 2nd. In almost every long run by a Pats RB you can see Hogan downfield effectively blocking a safety or corner. I suspect that the NE Offensive staff could tell you how many yards over the course of a season Hogan's blocks ADD to a RB's run. And I would guess we would be both surprised and impressed by that number. This is what blows my mind about our hatred of Belicheck & NE - we need to stop hating them and start demanding that the Bills organization embrace & mimic their style. Hogan has a role to play. It's clearly defined by the NE staff and he's doing it. And Hogan will stay on the field & on the team until NE either finds someone who can do it better or they change their scheme so they don't need what Hogan does. But for now Hogan is doing what they want him to do to and it help's them win football games. Belicheck has a system and he sticks to it come hell or high water and the results are there for all to see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 14 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Hogan has always been so overrated. But he did not get a single clean catchable ball in the SuperBowl. Maybe that was him not getting separation, but Brady did him no favors either. For as awful as Goff was, Brady was not much better. The seam pass to Gronk was a good ball but even that one hung a little. He put a few passes in the turf and the INT was a misread. Goff certainly was bad. He left two TDs unscored because he didn't get the ball quickly to wide open receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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