Buffalo Boy Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: Pats D came hard at him and he flinched I have never seen a hit like Van Noy delivered open field, not a QB going down in that kind of posture before Apparently you didn’t watch Orton ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Apparently you didn’t watch Orton ??? The better was Bledsoe Bill where he'd stand there 3 like a statue way too late and BAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i watched the Van Noy replay 80 times and I guess he just didn't see him at all? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: It's not at all. I'm saying that the Rams D wasn't that great last night. You know what, its the off-season. I can't do this for a full year. I have to put this board away. This is just insane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I thought Wade called an excellent game. They played the run well on 1st down barring a couple of plays. They gave them the soft perimeter on 2nd down to put the Pats in 3rd and 5 or less and that's when they came up and pressed the WR's and forced throws most of the time. It was smart defensive game planning and playing the downs by Wade. The Rams offense on the other hand, McVay and Goff just couldn't figure out the 1 Cross. They needed to pass better on the perimeter and they couldn't. The Pats defensive plan was flawless based on what the Rams like to do. They scheme muddied the middle of the field and forced passes on the perimeter and the Rams just couldn't take advantage of that. 15 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Suffocating? Yes and no. There was good coverage but I saw a young QB (and team) who looked tentative and in over their heads. As mentioned there was at least 1 dropped TD . I also saw Goff waiting to see his guys open at times, thus allowing the DB to make the play. Coaching??? A hand off on 3-22 in the 4 th with about 10 minutes left? SERIOUSLY??? I know I’m not the only one who saw this Coming. You shouldn’t play to not lose in the SB. The Rams did...... and lost in the Worst SB I’ve seen. Also, can ANY team learn to play Edelman “ man to zone” so when he runs that effing pick play the nearest DB jumps the route?! This is coaching and players. The Rams saw this defense before. McVay saw this defense before. They had to know that they would see this in this game. But their plan didn't do much to help them. The Rams saw this vs the Lions (Matt Patricia) and McVay saw this when he was with the Redskins (Matt Patricia). 1 Cross muddy the middle and force the team to pass on the perimeter. For whatever reason the Rams didn't pass much on the perimeter. I'm not sure what they thought they were going to get out of these guys? Just because Patricia is gone doesn't mean that Bellicheck wasn't the mastermind behind the coverage scheme. Goff looked thoroughly confused and rather than letting it rip and anticipating guys being open, he was waiting for them to actually be clear and open. The TD he missed for instance, he was way late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) I'd go even further and say the Rams D was better than the Pats. I can't think of a better meaningful game played by a defense against Brady, Montana, Manning, etc... Edited February 4, 2019 by N.Y. Orangeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) BTW, just as an aside. in their first game against the Pats... Jared Goff, 19-38, 229 yards, 0 TDS, 1 Int. Josh Allen, 20-41, 217 yards, 1 TD, 2 Ints, 5 rushes for 30 yards. Bragging rights? Not at all. Not great performances by either. However, I just wasn't overly hard on Allen after that game on the 23rd and the above comparison helps a little. Edited February 4, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: You know what, its the off-season. I can't do this for a full year. I have to put this board away. This is just insane. people will be whining about missed penalty calls every day for the next 7 months on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: NE was on the field for nearly 7 minutes more than LA. 22 first downs. 407 yards. 16 catches between Edelman and Gronk on 19 targets. Michel and Burkhead had 137 yards on 25 carries. Rams offense got smoked, but Wade's D struggled to get off the field from the start. Yeah I agree, Wade had a good plan but Edelman seemed to be ridiculously wide open in every 3rd down. He had no answer for it except to keep playing more zone and it killed them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 That was a defensive master class by BOTH coaches. Wade holding the Pats to 13 points on that stage was absolutely amazing. I'll tell ya something, though: I hate how predictable the Rams offense was. They called the same stuff they've been calling all year long. The Eagles game last year showed that the only way to beat the Pats (especially in a Super Bowl where Belichick had two weeks to prepare) is to show them things they've never seen before. The Rams didn't do that AT ALL. There wasn't even a little list of 5 trick or surprise plays or ANYTHING. Nevertheless, great defensive job by Belichick, and great job by Wade Phillips. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Both BB and Wade were great. Both of them, over 65, out-classed the whipper-snapper McVey (who admitted that he was out-coached). Maybe all these teams deciding to go the youth route when it comes to coaching should reconsider... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: Wade's defense was outstanding. However, Belichick's was better. If the Rams had any offense at all, they might have won the game. They would have won. The Rams defense did their job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Still. Cooks should come down with it both times. On first It was as much Goff’s fault as cooks. Same as dolphins clay Allen play more or less. On second, NFL WRs need to make those contested catches. My my conclusion is is Edelman was mvp, cooks was LVP These nfl WRs that wait for the ball instead of coming to it and attacking it perplex me. Yes Wade did a good job, Billy just did a better one. On that second one, Gilmore had excellent D (a very subtle arm bar that NEVER gets called), and Harmon delivered a big hit just after the ball arrived. That is not an easy catch at all, especially when you're using one hand. It was a good throw, but it was basically into double coverage with one of the coverage guys being their top corner. It was well defended. Edited February 4, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..."The Ageless Wonder" at 71 still has "IT".......remarkable as was Lebeau coaching until 80.......really wanted Wade to get his ring.................... He already has a ring, but yes this one would have been very sweet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: NE was on the field for nearly 7 minutes more than LA. 22 first downs. 407 yards. 16 catches between Edelman and Gronk on 19 targets. Michel and Burkhead had 137 yards on 25 carries. Rams offense got smoked, but Wade's D struggled to get off the field from the start. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is points. If you told McVay and Phillips before the game that they were going to hold the Pats to 13 points; they'd probably start getting rings fitted right then and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84Mrlocke Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Nobody is talking about the too many men penalty toward the end of the first half. This pretty much summed up why I didn't like Wade. The team took way too many undisciplined penalties when he was here. This was inexcusable in a game of this magnitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, TC in St. Louis said: Did you see Edelman's moves? Unbelievable. I'm not sure how you cover that guy. I thought they'd put Barron on him. Trump wouldn't let Barron play... 18 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: Both BB and Wade were great. Both of them, over 65, out-classed the whipper-snapper McVey (who admitted that he was out-coached). Maybe all these teams deciding to go the youth route when it comes to coaching should reconsider... ? McVay should find a better OC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: It's not at all. I'm saying that the Rams D wasn't that great last night. 1 hour ago, row_33 said: it was a good game, the better prepped and executing team won, as usual, intangibles didn't drag them down not the best D I've seen in my 47 or so watched ones, but a good effort to hold Brady to only 13 points The Rams defense did their job, their offense lost them the game. Plain and simple as that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 46 minutes ago, row_33 said: people will be whining about missed penalty calls every day for the next 7 months on here And we will have things like you to remind us of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: Both BB and Wade were great. Both of them, over 65, out-classed the whipper-snapper McVey (who admitted that he was out-coached). Maybe all these teams deciding to go the youth route when it comes to coaching should reconsider... ? Sneaky great way to end the NFL season: All the teams who tripped over each other to hire "The Next Sean McVay" watching the ORIGINAL Sean McVay coach his offense to a 3-point output on the game's biggest stage. Buyer's remorse, anyone? Edited February 4, 2019 by Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Always liked Wade....and in no way is he at fault for this loss. Offense is what got the Rams to the playoffs then on the biggest stage they chocked.....namely Golf who had plenty of time in the pocket and missed what should have been an easy TD pass.....then a WR drops a pass that hits him right in the hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..."The Ageless Wonder" at 71 still has "IT".......remarkable as was Lebeau coaching until 80.......really wanted Wade to get his ring.................... He got one with Denver a few years ago, but it would have been nice to see him get another, too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 hopefully, Wade provided a blueprint for eliminating the passes to James White. Saw very little of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 The Rams offense was like watching a Bills game.BB took away Woods and with Gurley not at 100%, Zero offense. Wade deserved another ring. His defense played outstanding against the pats offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 The score says it all, including whose defense was better. Phillips did well; Belichick did Belichick. No matter how good you are, how do you compete with someone who totally changes his defensive scheme for one game from what it had been all year? It's kinda like throwing darts at a target blindfolded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Lofton80 said: hopefully, Wade provided a blueprint for eliminating the passes to James White. Saw very little of that. A close friend of mine who is at once a true-blue Buffalonian, a fanatical Pats fan since early childhood, and one of the smartest football fans I know said that given the Rams LB corps, the smartest bet of all was taking the over on James White catches (the line was 6.5). I haven't asked him yet whether he actually made that bet! Edited February 4, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 5 hours ago, matter2003 said: You mean if Brandin Cooks didn't drop a perfectly thrown ball into his arms in the endzone they might have won the game? Goff threw an interception on what looked like the exact same route concept the very next play. All in all, New England dominated the game, if not from the scoreboard perspective, from an on field perspective...the Rams looked like a Bills offense led by "bad Tyrod" for most of the night. Exactly like that - reminded me of the wild card game against the jags last year, where it was the first defense to break. Honestly what I saw more of last night was a coach's battle b/t Belly/Flores and McVay/Wade, where McVay couldn't scheme adequately for Gurley's injury and inability to establish the play action for Goff. What actualized this is also demonstrative of the coaches, as the Pats players simply executed the coach's scheme better. Belly and Flores had both sides of the ball executing, Wade had his defense keeping pace as long as they could, and the Rams offense just never responded nor did it capitalize on the few chances it did get. Belly and Flores schemed a defense that made Goff a one-dimensional QB who couldn't rely on play action and as a young QB in the SB, that's a lot to ask for. While Wade schemed a great defense to keep Brady from scoring, the Pats were still able to keep their offense on the field for longer, leaving the Rams defense gassed and sure enough, gave up the first formal score. I hate that the Pats won for many reasons, and while many will find last night's game boring, I enjoyed watching smart football executed well. While many will disagree, smart and adaptive week-to-week scheming by the coaches and a team's ability to adapt week-in and week-out will beat out a singular system with even the most elite players and coaches if they can't effectively adapt or respond. Smart football will always beat out sexy modern schemes regardless of what they are, but for as much as I don't like the man, you have to respect Belly for being the reason why it's not as simple as everyone might believe to just find a QB, young offensive coach, and a "modern" system - while that certainly has it's benefits. I would've been curious to see this matchup in a couple years after Goff and McVay have more experience. Who knows, maybe Goff can only excel in a play action scheme with the league's arguably best RB and OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 This game felt almost exactly like the Bills NE MNF game this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Still. Cooks should come down with it both times. On first It was as much Goff’s fault as cooks. Same as dolphins clay Allen play more or less. On second, NFL WRs need to make those contested catches. My my conclusion is is Edelman was mvp, cooks was LVP These nfl WRs that wait for the ball instead of coming to it and attacking it perplex me. Yes Wade did a good job, Billy just did a better one. I agree, not exactly Cooks' game to get up for jump balls, but it certainly should be for how he seems to gets recognized by the league, analysts, average fan. Goff gave him a chance, if imperfectly. He could have made the 2 only big plays of the game.. easily SB MVP with 2 great grabs. Ashon or Mike Evans are the masters at it. Alshon Jeffrey comes down with at least one of those. He's a jump ball monster and it killed the Pats (killed most teams when Foles was switched on "DEEP TO ALSHON" mode). 6 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: This game felt almost exactly like the Bills NE MNF game this year I've been saying the same thing. It really was. Sadly it speaks more to the Rams underachieving than us particularly proving anything lol. Gotta score points against the ultimate game manager. That Brady fella is very comfortable up just a field goal because he's always got the last drive in his pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I agree, not exactly Cooks' game to get up for jump balls, but it certainly should be for how he seems to gets recognized by the league, analysts, average fan. Goff gave him a chance, if imperfectly. He could have made the 2 only big plays of the game.. easily SB MVP with 2 great grabs. Ashon or Mike Evans are the masters at it. Alshon Jeffrey comes down with at least one of those. He's a jump ball monster and it killed the Pats (killed most teams when Foles was switched on "DEEP TO ALSHON" mode). I've been saying the same thing. It really was. Sadly it speaks more to the Rams underachieving than us particularly proving anything lol. Gotta score points against the ultimate game manager. That Brady fella is very comfortable up just a field goal because he's always got the last drive in his pocket. Jeffrey is a beast. Foles seems to use him better that Wentz. Hope to to see Allen get a guy like that. Wonder if Evans gets put on the block with the upheaval in Tampa- Was Ariens one who prioritizes field stretching speed outside ? That’d be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 The Rams offensive line is TERRIBLE in pass protection. I'm sitting there wondering why they they aren't chipping the end or keeping a back in to pick up the blitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Jeffrey is a beast. Foles seems to use him better that Wentz. Hope to to see Allen get a guy like that. Wonder if Evans gets put on the block with the upheaval in Tampa- Was Ariens one who prioritizes field stretching speed outside ? That’d be nice Haha those are like my 2 favorite WRs because they just make tough physical grabs. Just super cool to watch over a speed guy burning his man. Brandin Cooks can be gameplanned against when you got safeties flying at the deep ball. It's awesome to have a 1 on 1 WR that has a 50/50 to get 60 yards bombs. Allen's gotta put some air on his deep balls.. seems more catered for speed at the moment. Mike Evans would be great. Don't know what's going on in Tampa, they're so talented I can't see a rebuild. Just a quarterback away and not even a particularly great one at that (see Fitz). But yeah.. sign me up for Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I wish he had won, but no doubt Wade can hold his head high. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Awesome job by Wade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 8 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..."The Ageless Wonder" at 71 still has "IT".......remarkable as was Lebeau coaching until 80.......really wanted Wade to get his ring.................... He has a ring as a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Lofton80 said: hopefully, Wade provided a blueprint for eliminating the passes to James White. Saw very little of that. On their TD drive, NE ran the same play 4 times in a row..... Rams D whiffed every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Mark Vader said: They would have won. The Rams defense did their job. They won’t feel that way is this worse for the D than the Seahawks throwing it all away on a dumb pass for no reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 hours ago, NewEraBills said: I thought Wade called an excellent game. They played the run well on 1st down barring a couple of plays. They gave them the soft perimeter on 2nd down to put the Pats in 3rd and 5 or less and that's when they came up and pressed the WR's and forced throws most of the time. It was smart defensive game planning and playing the downs by Wade. The Rams offense on the other hand, McVay and Goff just couldn't figure out the 1 Cross. They needed to pass better on the perimeter and they couldn't. The Pats defensive plan was flawless based on what the Rams like to do. They scheme muddied the middle of the field and forced passes on the perimeter and the Rams just couldn't take advantage of that. This is coaching and players. The Rams saw this defense before. McVay saw this defense before. They had to know that they would see this in this game. But their plan didn't do much to help them. The Rams saw this vs the Lions (Matt Patricia) and McVay saw this when he was with the Redskins (Matt Patricia). 1 Cross muddy the middle and force the team to pass on the perimeter. For whatever reason the Rams didn't pass much on the perimeter. I'm not sure what they thought they were going to get out of these guys? Just because Patricia is gone doesn't mean that Bellicheck wasn't the mastermind behind the coverage scheme. Goff looked thoroughly confused and rather than letting it rip and anticipating guys being open, he was waiting for them to actually be clear and open. The TD he missed for instance, he was way late. AMEN on Goff’s timing on multiple throws( or lack there of?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: They won’t feel that way is this worse for the D than the Seahawks throwing it all away on a dumb pass for no reason? I'm not saying how they should feel. I'm saying that they did their part and the offense did not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) If wade was the HC I think they win. McVay seemed lost and his players seemed out of focus. 7 minutes left McVay and Goff had looks of defeat yet the game was within reach. No adjustments were made all game on the offensive side and there was little to no emotion. On D, they played lights out and energetic just like Wade was on the sidelines! Edited February 5, 2019 by billsfan_34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 10 hours ago, 2003Contenders said: Both BB and Wade were great. Both of them, over 65, out-classed the whipper-snapper McVey (who admitted that he was out-coached). Maybe all these teams deciding to go the youth route when it comes to coaching should reconsider... ? Nonsense. Old white guys are stupid wastes of skin. Everyone knows this. If you want to win you have to employ young people because only young people know the "right" stuff. Don't believe me, just ask one. Oh and btw, I'm only in my mid-thirties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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