Don't be surprised if Josh Jacobs is the first round target for McBeane.

[YoloinOhio]

35 minutes ago, Heff said:

Rather draft Bryce Love in 3rd or 4th round.

Why spend a 3rd-4th rd pick on a guy who won’t even play this year? What am I missing, I keep seeing this. 

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why spend a 3rd-4th rd pick on a guy who won’t even play this year? What am I missing, I keep seeing this. 

Yeah, I have no I retest in Bryce Love. Always hurt and a lot of miles. Pass

 

I like Devin Singletary as an option.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I have no I retest in Bryce Love. Always hurt and a lot of miles. Pass

 

I like Devin Singletary as an option.

I wouldn’t even spend a 7th on him. I would be surprised if he played in 2019 and if he retired from football altogether I wouldn’t be shocked either.

[BillsMafia13]

52 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

You need to avoid stats when looking at prospects. Josh Allen was a perfect example. It’s a skill set that you are looking for. The reason that counts love Jacobs (Daniel Jeremiah’s top overall offensive player) is the combination of balance, receiving, effort, and tackle breaking ability. He has a skill set that translates to a 3 down back. He’s going to be a great pro and go way earlier than people may have thought (as he is a guy rising now). I don’t think he’s the Bills pick at 9 but I’ve seen him mocked as high as 5 to the Bucs. 

Is he even worth a top 10/20 pick though? I just feel the pool of RBs is spread so even nobody really stands head and shoulders above the rest.  

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said:

Is he even worth a top 10/20 pick though? I just feel the pool of RBs is spread so even nobody really stands head and shoulders above the rest.  

I guess that’s the point. The Jeremiah’s of the world think that he’s worthy of a top 5 pick and is head’s and shoulders above. Matt Miller has a similar opinion. I haven’t seen enough of the group to have a definitive opinion on the gaps between guys. I see why scouts love him though. He’s going to be a great pro. 

[CommonCents]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

If you saw my post in this thread I am totally against using a #9 on Jacobs, and I am a HUGE Crimson Tide Fan and really like the kid.

 

I see your point wrt the Spiller comparison, I really do, but; I would take Jacobs over Spiller ANY day!!! Even for the Bills, the Spiller pick was so stupid that it was mind boggling. As for Jacobs, imo he is a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He is a much better and stronger player than Spiller ever was.

I agree with the 2nd or 3rd round  pick, he has nice hands, I’d take him in the third. He is 5’10, 216 and somehow manages to run “high”. Gurley gets away with running like that but he is a good 20 pounds heavier. 

 

I don’t understand what DJ and folks are seeing with Jacobs, I look back at last year and see Royce Freeman going in the 3rd. Again,

20 pounds heavier and also has a pair of hands. 

 

Jacobs isn’t as elusive as a Kamara or Barkley and he isn’t as big as other backs. For his size he should be quicker, if tweener was ever used on a RB this is the guy. 

Edited January 25, 2019 by CommonCents

[Bill from NYC]

5 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

I agree with the 2nd or 3rd round  pick, he has nice hands, I’d take him in the third. He is 5’10, 216 and somehow manages to run “high”. Gurley gets away with running like that but he is a good 20 pounds heavier. 

 

I don’t understand what DJ and folks are seeing with Jacobs, I look back at last year and see Royce Freeman going in the 3rd. Again,

20 pounds heavier and also has a pair of hands. 

 

Jacobs isn’t as elusive as a Kamara or Barkley and he isn’t as big as other backs. For his size he should be quicker, if tweener was ever used on a RB this is the guy. 

The suggestion of 2nd or 3rd round pick was more of a compliment than an insult in this passing league.

 

Like any other back, Josh would stand out on a team with a good qb and a solid OL. Some of those holes he ran through at Alabama were pretty big. Still, he is a true all purpose back and plays a very smart game. He can do everything including block.

 

Btw, I'm not 100% sure that the 216 lbs. they list him at is accurate. That seems high to me but he is a fighter and plays hard on every down. I really like Josh but not at #9.  

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

The suggestion of 2nd or 3rd round pick was more of a compliment than an insult in this passing league.

 

Like any other back, Josh would stand out on a team with a good qb and a solid OL. Some of those holes he ran through at Alabama were pretty big. Still, he is a true all purpose back and plays a very smart game. He can do everything including block.

 

Btw, I'm not 100% sure that the 216 lbs. they list him at is accurate. That seems high to me but he is a fighter and plays hard on every down. I really like Josh but not at #9.  

I wasn’t insulting him, being a day one or two pick is an amazing accomplishment. I’m just having a hard time seeing why DJ has him

going so high. 

 

Yeldon was similar in my mind and he went in the 2nd. He was hurt a few times IIRC. Yeldon was quicker and more explosive while still

at Bama he has slowed since. 

 

 

[Simon Says]

RB isn't a major need in 2019, but with 3 guys aged 30,it soon will be. Unless Bills move on from McCoy.  Even if they cut/trade him, i don't see Beane drafting a back with  the 9th overall pick.

[stinky finger]

On 1/23/2019 at 5:49 PM, ScottLaw said:

Just like CJ Spiller was.

 

Still of the mindset that a first round RB for a team with as many needs as the Bills have is stupidity.... find it hard to believe that a RB will be BPA when Bills pick.

 

Hard to argue.

 

You are the authority on stupidity.

[Da webster guy]

On 1/23/2019 at 6:59 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Me too. I would like to take a RB high and I think the only way they do is if they garner some extra capital. 

 

the Pats grabbing Sony Michel with their 31st pick was shocking to me but it's starting to look like it made sense despite his injury/weak start.

 

i wouldn't mind an RB early either,  platoon with Shady.  Nothing like a 22 year old pass-catching back eager to rip it up in the pro's.

[TigerJ]

I like Josh Jacobs a lot, but I don't see this happening.  I think Jacobs goes in the bottom third of the first.

[Spielman]

3 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I agree with the 2nd or 3rd round  pick, he has nice hands, I’d take him in the third. He is 5’10, 216 and somehow manages to run “high”. Gurley gets away with running like that but he is a good 20 pounds heavier. 

 

I don’t understand what DJ and folks are seeing with Jacobs, I look back at last year and see Royce Freeman going in the 3rd. Again,

20 pounds heavier and also has a pair of hands. 

 

Jacobs isn’t as elusive as a Kamara or Barkley and he isn’t as big as other backs. For his size he should be quicker, if tweener was ever used on a RB this is the guy. 

Jacobs has first round talent.   He runs with power and is nasty.  Also has good hands and speed - he should run well at combine.  On tape, he runs away from DB's.  I consider him the best back in the draft.  Keep in mind, Alabama has so many good backs, Saban spreads it around and gives his seniors their share of touches (D. Harris).  Jacobs should go top 20.  I'd have no problem with this pick for the Bills ...so sick of Shady and tackles for loss.

[CommonCents]

16 minutes ago, Spielman said:

Jacobs has first round talent.   He runs with power and is nasty.  Also has good hands and speed - he should run well at combine.  On tape, he runs away from DB's.  I consider him the best back in the draft.  Keep in mind, Alabama has so many good backs, Saban spreads it around and gives his seniors their share of touches (D. Harris).  Jacobs should go top 20.  I'd have no problem with this pick for the Bills ...so sick of Shady and tackles for loss.

Outrunning DBs? That’s not what I saw with him. Maybe against Mercer. 

[Kirby Jackson]

On 1/24/2019 at 12:22 PM, Mountain Man said:

The NFL community thought Trent Richardson was a round 1 running back.

They more recently thought Gurley, Zeke, Saquon, Gordon, Michel, and McCaffrey were. I don’t know about you but I wouldn’t hate having any of those guys on my team. 2 of them are playing this weekend. 

[Bill from NYC]

3 hours ago, CommonCents said:

I wasn’t insulting him, being a day one or two pick is an amazing accomplishment. I’m just having a hard time seeing why DJ has him

going so high. 

 

Yeldon was similar in my mind and he went in the 2nd. He was hurt a few times IIRC. Yeldon was quicker and more explosive while still

at Bama he has slowed since. 

 

 

Yelden was much taller, and I think stronger. To this day I think he would have been an excellent pro RB if not for the numerous injuries. Some of these kids just can't stand up to the punishment of the NFL or get unlucky injuries.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 1/24/2019 at 1:49 PM, Bill from NYC said:

Folks, a little perspective here.....

Are all of you aware that Josh was never established as the starting running back at Alabama? He was never the strongest running back on the Tide and while he is quick, he isn't a speed back.

 

Josh is very good and quite versatile. He has great hands, blocks well, and is a smart kid and a smart player. Saban loves the kid. That said, I am not even sure if he will be better than Damien Harris. He can be if he continues to improve and his first step is a bit quicker, but Damien reminds me a bit of Thurman in terms of seeing holes to run through. He is no slouch.

 

As a life long Alabama Fan, I would welcome Josh to the team. He had an extremely tough life but seems to maintain a great, positive attitude. I have no doubt that he would be quite useful to Allen, but; I don't think that the Bills should use a #9 on him.

 

Disclaimer: I am not pretending to be a scout. I am just a fan who has seen every Alabama game for many years.

 

 

...it's all over the map about this kid...two mocks have him going to Eagles at #25....CBS Sports ranks him as #5 in RB draftee list......Jeremiah has him as #6 on his RB board....

Edited January 25, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[YoloinOhio]

That’s not 1st round speed 

 

 

He didn’t run in Indy

[Mat68]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s not 1st round speed 

 

 

He didn’t run in Indy

Watching him play and not expect this kind of speed is astonishing.  There is a reason why you never see him break long td runs.  That for me is a red flag.  In college on a team that is vastly superior vs the majority of their competition and you cant break a long run?  Give me Miles Sanders rd 2 all day over Jacobs.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Mat68

[papazoid]

no way at #9

 

the bills are likely to trade down...….the farther down they go, then Jacobs could be in the discussion, say starting at #20

[Art in PNS]

On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2019 at 4:34 PM, njbuff said:

With Daboll as OC and with him knowing Jacobs and the all around talent that Jacobs is....................

 

this might very well be the target of this organization come the first round of April's draft.

 

I only mention this because of how upset people will be around here if the Bills make RB a first round priority.

 

We shall see, as we still have the whole draft process to go thru.

I wouldn't be shocked for this to be a year of no Running backs picked in the first round.

[cba fan]

26 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s not 1st round speed 

 

 

He didn’t run in Indy

lol...looks like he did not run for a reason and looks like he is running nowhere fast. Pass. NFL needs speed.

 

If Bills want a slow RB, trade for Howard from Bears. They have seen enough of his non-breakaway speed.

Edited March 19, 2019 by cba fan

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 1/23/2019 at 4:34 PM, njbuff said:

With Daboll as OC and with him knowing Jacobs and the all around talent that Jacobs is....................

 

this might very well be the target of this organization come the first round of April's draft.

 

I only mention this because of how upset people will be around here if the Bills make RB a first round priority.

 

We shall see, as we still have the whole draft process to go thru.

Draft a running back ? Add a RB to the roster under 30??

 

Surprised? If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet I wouldn’t be more surprised.

[BrooklynBills]

4.6 at your pro day. Yikes. He might be there at 40

 

[Prickly Pete]

On 1/23/2019 at 1:46 PM, Augie said:

 

This cannot appear often enough. 

Why? Are we here to will it into happening by interjecting it into every draft discussion. Do you think if everyone here repeats it, the Bills will follow your command?

 

On 1/23/2019 at 1:40 PM, Foxx said:

trenches, build the trenches.

 

The poster merely suggested that he thinks the Bills might select a RB. He didn't say "I want them to select an RB".

 

Why do people respond to the idea with a shout down of what they want, or think should happen, instead?

He didn't say "I hope they don't draft a lineman".

 

 

If they select an RB I'll be fine with it, because I trust that they know what they are doing. But I expect a D-lineman.

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by OJ Tom

[HOUSE]

" THERE'S ONLY ONE CJ SPILLER" -Chan Gailey

[ndirish1978]

this will not happen. You build the trenches first

[Prickly Pete]

2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

this will not happen. You build the trenches first

 

Then why do so many teams select WR, CB, QB, etc at the top of the draft? Ohhhh, I see, you just want to interject that YOU feel they should "start with the trenches". You were compelled to throw that in wherever a person might post about a skill player being selected first.

Thanks!

[ndirish1978]

13 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 

Then why do so many teams select WR, CB, QB, etc at the top of the draft? Ohhhh, I see, you just want to interject that YOU feel they should "start with the trenches". You were compelled to throw that in wherever a person might post about a skill player being selected first.

Thanks!

 

Someone needs a hug. You ok buddy? Josh Jacobs is not a top 10 player in this draft, he is not coming out with Saquon Barkley-level hype. We're not drafting a RB in the 1st when there are very good DL and OL on the board. The only 2 players who could possibly be drafted at 9 who are not linemen are DK Metcalf and perhaps Hockenson, but I'm doubtful they would spend the 9th pick on Hock when they could pick up Irv Smith at 40.

[YoloinOhio]

I’m watching irv smith pro day right now. He’s short for a TE but can move. Looks like a great athlete. Use him as a Hybrid 

Edited March 19, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[freddyjj]

33 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said:

4.6 at your pro day. Yikes. He might be there at 40

 

or mid 70s

[Prickly Pete]

21 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Someone needs a hug. You ok buddy? Josh Jacobs is not a top 10 player in this draft, he is not coming out with Saquon Barkley-level hype. We're not drafting a RB in the 1st when there are very good DL and OL on the board. The only 2 players who could possibly be drafted at 9 who are not linemen are DK Metcalf and perhaps Hockenson, but I'm doubtful they would spend the 9th pick on Hock when they could pick up Irv Smith at 40.

 

I wouldn't draft Jacobs.

 

Point is, just interjecting "you build the trenches, dude" into any discussion about the first round is tiresome, and pointless. Your follow up response to me is cool, and is an appropriate response to the OP.

 

Or even a simple "Josh Jacobs blows" would suffice, at least it deals with the player in question.

Edited March 19, 2019 by OJ Tom

[Bray Wyatt]

24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’m watching irv smith pro day right now. He’s short for a TE but can move. Looks like a great athlete. Use him as a Hybrid 

 

I always liked him as an option at TE and we wouldnt have to reach in the first for him.

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, OJ Tom said:

 

I wouldn't draft Jacobs.

 

Point is, just interjecting "you build the trenches, dude" into any discussion about the first round is tiresome, and pointless. Your follow up response to me is cool, and is an appropriate response to the OP.

 

Or even a simple "Josh Jacobs blows" would suffice, at least it deals with the player in question.

here ya go man.

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, BrooklynBills said:

4.6 at your pro day. Yikes. He might be there at 40

 

Like kareem hunt running a 4.62.  Leveon Bell 4.60.  Kamara 4.56. How about emmitt?  4.7.   Took me about 1 minute to find those names after a search.   I’d be willing to bet that there are more than a few HoF RBs that didn’t run a sub 4.6 40.  

 

Is he worth the 9th pick?   Probably not.  Is he a potentially great RB?  Absolutely 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

 Why? Are we here to will it into happening by interjecting it into every draft discussion. Do you think if everyone here repeats it, the Bills will follow your command?

 

 

The poster merely suggested that he thinks the Bills might select a RB. He didn't say "I want them to select an RB".

 

Why do people respond to the idea with a shout down of what they want, or think should happen, instead?

He didn't say "I hope they don't draft a lineman".

 

 

If they select an RB I'll be fine with it, because I trust that they know what they are doing. But I expect a D-lineman.

 

 

That’s a silly reaction. I was just agreeing with someone who was leaning towards building the line (back in January, pre-FA) on both sides. If you win the line of scrimmage, you are far more likely to win the game. The comment was regarding emphasis, and not to be taken literally, because I don’t hear little voices in my head and I’m pretty sure the Bills are more qualified to pick the right player than me.....or you. I think most people easily understood that. 

 

We are talking about the use of a first round pick, and I think it’s far more likely that they go to the strength of this draft, which is largely concentrated in the DLine. At #9 I’d guess that would be where we might go. I’m not ruling out ANY position, just agreeing with someone that the lines are critical. You disagree? I do think we will take a RB in this draft, and I feel somewhat better after FA and addressing the O-line to some degree. 

 

 

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, Art in RTP said:

I wouldn't be shocked for this to be a year of no Running backs picked in the first round.

The one that I liked doesnt catch it out of the backfield.

8 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

That’s a silly reaction. I was just agreeing with someone who was leaning towards building the line (back in January, pre-FA) on both sides. If you win the line of scrimmage, you are far more likely to win the game. The comment was regarding emphasis, and not to be taken literally, because I don’t hear little voices in my head and I’m pretty sure the Bills are more qualified to pick the right player than me.....or you. I think most people easily understood that. 

 

We are talking about the use of a first round pick, and I think it’s far more likely that they go to the strength of this draft, which is largely concentrated in the DLine. At #9 I’d guess that would be where we might go. I’m not ruling out ANY position, just agreeing with someone that the lines are critical. You disagree? I do think we will take a RB in this draft, and I feel somewhat better after FA and addressing the O-line to some degree. 

 

 

This FO doesnt reach and I dont see a RB worthy of 9th overall.  There are some DL worthy of 1st overall that may be available.

[elijah]

2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Someone needs a hug. You ok buddy? Josh Jacobs is not a top 10 player in this draft, he is not coming out with Saquon Barkley-level hype. We're not drafting a RB in the 1st when there are very good DL and OL on the board. The only 2 players who could possibly be drafted at 9 who are not linemen are DK Metcalf and perhaps Hockenson, but I'm doubtful they would spend the 9th pick on Hock when they could pick up Irv Smith at 40.

To shoot down talk of someone at 9 and then offer Metcalf as a possibility discredits any of your sentiment. 

 

We won’t draft the physically dominant running back with terrific game speed that just happened to have a below average 40 time, but we’ll select the injury ridden receiver who can’t cut and has inconsistent hands at 9? 

 

Personally I don’t think we would select either of them at 9, but to ridicule Jacobs and list Metcalf as a possibility is just a silly notion. 

 

I’m not saying he’s worthy of the 9th overall pick but Jacobs would be the much safer option, Metcalf in the top 10 has potential to be a bust big enough to kill this regime. 

 

He’s had prior foot injuries and neck injuries, these aren’t the injuries that just disappear like broken bones. These are reoccurring and lingering injuries that don’t really go away, you don’t spend a top 10 pick on that.  Not too mention selecting a receiver who’s known to have inconsistent hands and troubles with cutting in the top 10. 

[Prickly Pete]

So any time a person wants to talk about any player that isn't a linemen, someone will HAVE to pop in with "You win in the trenches".

No comment on the player suggested, just a dismissal. 

 

Can't discuss say, a Wide Receiver, without having the obligatory "Trenches!" thrown into the middle of the thread, because fans must be beaten down if they think the team MIGHT be thinking about a skill position player. 

 

We NEED constant reinforcement that "You win in the trenches! Don't even discuss other positions!".

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by OJ Tom

[Foxx]

10 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

So any time a person wants to talk about any player that isn't a linemen, someone will HAVE to pop in with "You win in the trenches".

No comment on the player suggested, just a dismissal. 

 

Can't discuss say, a Wide Receiver, without having the obligatory "Trenches!" thrown into the middle of the thread, because fans must be beaten down if they think the team MIGHT be thinking about a skill position player. 

 

We NEED constant reinforcement that "You win in the trenches! Don't even discuss other positions!".

 

so, you are really going to die on this hill?