noacls Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 31 years old in July 161 carries for 514 yards 3.2 avg 34 catches for 238 yards 7 avg 3 total td Yeah, I dont understand why people think rb is a high priority. The best O line in football won't make him 27 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They took one in the first last year Sony. They also had Dillon. Its a good thing they did because they will run more and more as Brady slowly crumbles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I HATE that I am on the Kareem Hunt train but I think I’m there at this point. He won’t be expensive, is productive, young, versatile and presumably hungry. Hopefully he learned his lesson. I’m hoping that they sign him (ducks for cover) Nah man, don't be ashamed of it. We're a team totally void of offensive players that can change the game. If one becomes available we should always be interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They took one in the first last year The Pats took a back with the 31st pick in the draft. I would have no problem if the Bills traded down or traded up from a lower round to select a back near the bottom of the first round. I'm just not receptive to using a top ten pick on a back this year. If this was a more complete team I would be more receptive to the notion. But not this year with the way our roster is currently set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Really? Not even sure if he will be here one more year let alone 5, the life of the rookie’s contract I'll put money on hom being here next season. If I need a guy right awayI spend a first. Otherwise I take one later, unless there is a Barkley or McCaffrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I HATE that I am on the Kareem Hunt train but I think I’m there at this point. He won’t be expensive, is productive, young, versatile and presumably hungry. Hopefully he learned his lesson. I’m hoping that they sign him (ducks for cover) Duck all you want. You buy low and you sell high. He'd immediately upgrade our offense and would come at a fraction of the price of a LeVeon Bell. We're talking about drafting a RB in the first round! You get a first/second round talent without entertaining the notion of using a top ten pick when the draft is loaded with pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, White Linen said: Nah man, don't be ashamed of it. We're a team totally void of offensive players that can change the game. If one becomes available we should always be interested. He is also a kid still, people make mistakes. What is he going to do about it is my question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 29 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I generally hate 1st round RBs. But I'd make an exception for Jacobs IF we trade down. Great attitude and love for the game, excellent blocking running and pass catching, and low mileage since he wasn't a feature back at Alabama. Our best Super Bowl window is on Allen's rookie deal so I would accept drafting a young RB in the 1st to give us some kind of rush offense for the next 4 years. I still wouldn't take any RB in the top 10 but if we trade down to 15 and draft him I'd accept that. Kirby thinks I'm pigheaded on this issue. I'm not. I would have no problem taking an elite back after a trade down and getting some additional picks. However, I am steadfast against using a top ten pick in this draft for a back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I really do wonder if they will make a play for Bell or Hunt if they cant get the OL they want in FA. We would have one hell of a 1,2 punch or a punch and a kick if its Hunt. Joking about women being abused is not funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, noacls said: Joking about women being abused is not funny Is it abuse just because shes a woman. Are you saying if it was a man it would be ok. It was about his action not about it being a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Is it abuse just because shes a woman. Are you saying if it was a man it would be ok. It was about his action not about it being a woman. So the action of hitting a woman is ok to joke about. Your a class act dude. What great character you have shown, or lack thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I'll put money on hom being here next season. If I need a guy right awayI spend a first. Otherwise I take one later, unless there is a Barkley or McCaffrey He could be. DJ has him as the highest rated offensive weapon in the draft. I cant fathom why we don’t need that. Edited January 24, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 37 minutes ago, JohnC said: Now we are in sync! yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, noacls said: So the action of hitting a woman is ok to joke about. Your a class act dude. What great character you have shown, or lack thereof. Nothing to do with a woman sorry if you took it that way i was saying that he kicked a person. Stop trying to twist what I said to make yourself look like a better person. Stop trying to say that I said something that I didnt or that I condone such behavior. Because I do not. I am not PC and never will be. I am a vulgar maintenance Tech and construction worker and I could care less what you think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He could be. DJ has him as the highest rated offensive weapon in the draft. I cant fathom why we don’t need that. If you can manage a couple new OLine starters in FA, this sounds a lot less crazy. Maybe get another OL or 2 later in the draft....new ballgame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He could be. DJ has him as the highest rated offensive weapon in the draft. I cant fathom why we don’t need that. Those draft experts are a joke. The only one that I put any stock in is now GM of the Raiders. (Dont know if I put that much stock in him but OK) Edited January 24, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Quote RANK 6 Josh Jacobs, RB School: Alabama | Year: Junior Jacobs is one of my favorite players to study in this draft class. He has a thick, compact build and I love his combination of power, elusiveness and versatility. In the run game, he possesses excellent vision, burst and wiggle. His change-of-direction quickness is off the charts. He runs low to the ground and powers through tacklers in every game I studied. Jacobs has the speed to get to the perimeter -- he's a weapon when lined up as a QB in the Wildcat and when he's used on fly sweeps from the slot. In the passing game, Jacobs runs crisp routes, possesses natural hands and he's a make-you-miss specialist in space. He does need to improve in pass protection. He must come to balance as a blocker and avoid lunging at blitzers. Overall, Jacobs is a special talent and his light workload at Alabama (251 carries in three seasons) should be viewed as a positive, not a negative. 4 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Those draft experts are a joke. The only one that I put any stock in is niw GM of the Raiders. (Dont know if I put that much stock in him but OK) the work of a former nfl college scout is a “joke” when it comes to the nfl draft? Daniel Jeremiah Daniel Jeremiah is a former scout for three different NFL teams. Most recently, he was the West Coast scout for the Philadelphia Eagles from 2010 to 2012. He previously worked as a national scout with the Cleveland Browns (2007-08) and a West Coast scout for the Baltimore Ravens (2005-06), after initially joining the team as a personnel assistant from 2003 to 2004. Jeremiah graduated in 2000 from Appalachian State, where he started at quarterback for three seasons. Edited January 24, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Augie said: If you can manage a couple new OLine starters in FA, this sounds a lot less crazy. Maybe get another OL or 2 later in the draft....new ballgame. They are definitely upgrading the OL. I still think they go the FA route. They want proven guys protecting their franchise QB. At least that's what I would do. Get a proven vet C, RG, and RT. Then they can trully go BPA or go after a game changing offensive weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Augie said: If you can manage a couple new OLine starters in FA, this sounds a lot less crazy. Maybe get another OL or 2 later in the draft....new ballgame. It’s a lot easier to sign a lineman in FA to the Bills than it is premium offensive playmaker to the 31st ranked offense. Need to draft the top talent in our situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: the work of a former nfl college scout is a “joke” when it comes to the nfl draft? Daniel Jeremiah Daniel Jeremiah is a former scout for three different NFL teams. Most recently, he was the West Coast scout for the Philadelphia Eagles from 2010 to 2012. He previously worked as a national scout with the Cleveland Browns (2007-08) and a West Coast scout for the Baltimore Ravens (2005-06), after initially joining the team as a personnel assistant from 2003 to 2004. Jeremiah graduated in 2000 from Appalachian State, where he started at quarterback for three seasons. Rex Ryan isnt a HC anymore why? There is an old saying "those who can do, those who cant, teach". In this case I would say "those who can work in a front office those who cant, work for a network". Edited January 24, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said: Rex Ryan isnt a HC anymore why? There is an old saying "those who can do, those who cant, teach". In this case I would say "those who can work in a front office those who cant, work for a network". He chose to do that. He’s had many opportunities to continue working in the league. But if you want to discount his opinion, feel free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I HATE that I am on the Kareem Hunt train but I think I’m there at this point. He won’t be expensive, is productive, young, versatile and presumably hungry. Hopefully he learned his lesson. I’m hoping that they sign him (ducks for cover) Kim Pegula has a short Western Union message for you: No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He chose to do that. He’s had many opportunities to continue working in the league. But if you want to discount his opinion, feel free. Darnold and Rosen ahead of Mayfield and Allen. If you could provide a link to show me his many opportunities I would appreciate it. He discounted his credibility with his opinions over the years. He is better than Kiper. He also gives pretty good opinions on Defensive players but Baker Mayfield was the number 1 player in the draft last year I said it Pre-draft. The Browns agreed and he proved. I wish some of us on this board had access to the stuff he has access to. Im actually surprised you put so much value in the guy . Credentials and the job he failed at prove nothing. Lots of people have some of the same credentials as I do but cant do the job. So credentials dont impress me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, JohnC said: Kim Pegula has a short Western Union message for you: No! I think you will find Billionairs dont look at thinks the same way as common folk. They didnt get to be Billionairs by being PC or anything like that. The Pegulas are Frackers, they really arent too concerned about public outrage. Richie Incognito played on their team. If he is willing to do something about his mistakes they would overlook it, as all people should. The only thing I dont like is that he lied about it. But when you look at what happened to Rice I dont know as I blame him for lying about it. Sometimes people dont even think about the type of things they do until they face reprocussion. When they truely believe something is ok they do it. Other people have severe anger issues and dont know how to control them without counciling. I love how people act like they have never done anything wrong in their life. It really all stems back to the belief that the things they do are not wrong. Whats done is done and the reality of it is that it is between him and the person he kicked and thats it. It is really none of anyone elses business on this board or anywhere else. A lot of stone throwers in this world, and eventually the stones are gonna come their way. What Im saying Augie is I have no issue with him signing here and I doubt Kim does either. People make mistakes. Edited January 24, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I think you will find Billionairs dont look at thinks the same way as common folk. They didnt get to be Billionairs by being PC or anything like that. The Pegulas are Frackers, they really arent too concerned about public outrage. Richie Incognito played on their team. If he is willing to do something about his mistakes they would overlook it, as all people should. The only thing I dont like is that he lied about it. But when you look at what happened to Rice I dont know as I blame him for lying about it. Sometimes people dont even think about the type of things they do until they face reprocussion. When they truely believe something is ok they do it. Other people have severe anger issues and dont know how to control them without counciling. I love how people act like they have never done anything wrong in their life. It really all stems back to the belief that the things they do are not wrong. Whats done is done and the reality of it is that it is between him and the person he kicked and thats it. It is really none of anyone elses business on this board or anywhere else. A lot of stone throwers in this world, and eventually the stones are gonna come their way. The Pegulas fired Brandon because of his relationship with a woman on the job. And a top executive was recently allowed to resign after some inappropriate conduct toward a server at a bar. Especially Kim, she has set the tone that she is not going to tolerate one of her employees, upper or lower echelon, to represent her/him at one of their businesses. It just my sense that she is not going to employ someone with a history of bad behavior, especially against women. I'm not suggesting that Hunt is irredeemable. But because of the code of conduct standard that she/he has established for their businesses I don't see Hunt being signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JohnC said: The Pegulas fired Brandon because of his relationship with a woman on the job. And a top executive was recently allowed to resign after some inappropriate conduct toward a server at a bar. Especially Kim, she has set the tone that she is not going to tolerate one of her employees, upper or lower echelon, to represent her/him at one of their businesses. It just my sense that she is not going to employ someone with a history of bad behavior, especially against women. I'm not suggesting that Hunt is irredeemable. But because of the code of conduct standard that she/he has established for their businesses I don't see Hunt being signed. Richie Incognito. As I said it all depends on what he is doing about it. It seems he has acknowledged what he did was wrong and he is doing some things to overcome his issues. If you think Brandon said he felt he did something wrong and took action you would be mistaken. Hunt is a 23 year old kid still finding his way through life. I guess McCoy got cut last offseason huh. Edited January 24, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 minute ago, formerlyofCtown said: Richie Incognito Richie Incognito had mental health issues. I'm not aware that he had criminal or woman assault issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 With the amount of underclassmen declaring I would draft two on day two or three. The talent behind McCoy is poor. You can find talent in rd 3 and 4. A first rd pick for a guy with limited production behind the best line in college seems steep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 hours ago, White Linen said: I believe there's no chance of this happening. If these guys go full Spiller and burn our first round pick on Jacobs, or any RB, my head will explode. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: How'd that work for the Giants. and would we do just as well with CJ Anderson platooning ? Need one to move on from Shady M. and this year is a great year to invest in a rookie. just not this high. Some one will want him though. Maybe we find a trade down : ) I believe the bills will get a young rb this offseason. I just don't think it will be in the first round. The Bills have bigger needs and the draft has good value for those needs at 9. It would be a prudent move to find Shadys replacement and have him in place. It's hard to predict at times when rb's are done especially when the oline is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I guess that in a 2 year span they get credit from me (who was a wait and see guy) on their rookies. Tre, Milano, Wallace, Johnson, Foster, Edmunds, Zay, Dawkins, and Phillips have all contributed off the top of my head. Part of that is because the team hasn’t been great but partly because they added the right guys. Their offensive drafting prowess hasn't struck me as solid, although that's deferring judgement on Allen. The UDFA types are bonuses, particularly at the harder to find positions To me, for McBeane to prove their ability to draft, it would be finding value in the mid rounds, which I consider 3rd-5th. I think Kyle Williams is the last guy, in 2006 (!) that I consider fitting that category. The only other player who looks like a long term starter from 2006-2016 might be Nigel Bradham. For Buffalo to continue rebuilding it's going to take more hits in those rounds. As to the thread, I could see them using a high pick on a RB if it's the right player. A quick cost-benefit analysis tells me that I'd rather have a young guy from round 2 or 3 versus a vet on a contract like what Ivory received. But, as previously mentioned, that line needs a talent influx and that should be prioritized first. Interested to see how McBeane set themselves up in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Their offensive drafting prowess hasn't struck me as solid, although that's deferring judgement on Allen. The UDFA types are bonuses, particularly at the harder to find positions To me, for McBeane to prove their ability to draft, it would be finding value in the mid rounds, which I consider 3rd-5th. I think Kyle Williams is the last guy, in 2006 (!) that I consider fitting that category. The only other player who looks like a long term starter from 2006-2016 might be Nigel Bradham. For Buffalo to continue rebuilding it's going to take more hits in those rounds. As to the thread, I could see them using a high pick on a RB if it's the right player. A quick cost-benefit analysis tells me that I'd rather have a young guy from round 2 or 3 versus a vet on a contract like what Ivory received. But, as previously mentioned, that line needs a talent influx and that should be prioritized first. Interested to see how McBeane set themselves up in the draft. Really? We got a TON of playing time out of those rounds from last year. Phillips was a regular in the rotation. Taron Johnson played well. Neal was in the mix I believe and 5th round Teller was starting late in the year. (Did I miss anyone?) Where will they be in 5 years? No idea, but it was a good start for a bunch of rookies. I loved the ceiling of round one, but the depth was also very encouraging. Then there were the UDFA’s you mentioned. I’m NOT saying it’s perfect, but I’d take another year like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, DCbillsfan said: I believe the bills will get a young rb this offseason. I just don't think it will be in the first round. The Bills have bigger needs and the draft has good value for those needs at 9. It would be a prudent move to find Shadys replacement and have him in place. It's hard to predict at times when rb's are done especially when the oline is terrible. Like what? It’s a terrible draft for tackles, especially at the top of the board. It’s a terrible draft for WRs at the top of the board. Good value on both in the 2nd and 3rd rds. While rb isn’t our biggest need, it is a need and if Jacobs is the BPA when we pick, which might not be 9th, Jacobs fits the bill as a special player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, NewEra said: Like what? It’s a terrible draft for tackles, especially at the top of the board. It’s a terrible draft for WRs at the top of the board. Good value on both in the 2nd and 3rd rds. While rb isn’t our biggest need, it is a need and if Jacobs is the BPA when we pick, which might not be 9th, Jacobs fits the bill as a special player This is why I’m cool with a high end defensive player, if it come to that. THAT is the strength of this draft, so it would not surprise me. But somehow every year they seem to surprise me! I hope it’s in a good way again! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) No Time like the present to harken back to the Nix days. Edited January 24, 2019 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 9 hours ago, njbuff said: You never know. He isn't even a round 1 worthy RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyDogLuvsPB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 11 hours ago, Foxx said: trenches, build the trenches. ^THIS Both sides. C and OG should be the priority along with a formidable pass rusher (DE or OLB, it doesn't matter to me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I'll be surprised AND upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 hours ago, JohnC said: Richie Incognito had mental health issues. I'm not aware that he had criminal or woman assault issues. Bully Gate was a pretty big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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