LabattBlue Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 As I watched Peters dominate Mack for most of the game(as he continues down the road to the HoF), it got me thinking, who was the GM when the trade with Philly took place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Don't we just blame Doug Whaley for everything? 2 18 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) Pretty sure it was Levy. Incorrect. Twas the great Russell Brandon. Edited January 7, 2019 by LSHMEAB 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, MJS said: Don't we just blame Doug Whaley for everything? I find that to be very convenient, actually. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: As I watched Peters dominate Mack for most of the game(as he continues down the road to the HoF), it got me thinking, who was the GM when the trade with Philly took place? What game where you watching? Peters was not good in pass protection. He was as dominant as an orange traffic cone. Philadelphia game planned around the bears pass rush. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 This was April 2009. All I could think was dealing Peters officially signaled to me that Buffalo wasn't interested in competing. I doubt Brandon could get Littmann to sign off on a deal like what Peters signed upon going to Philadelphia. Something like 6 years 60M. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other. The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT. He wanted big time LT money. He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape. The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else. If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys. I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak. The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him. Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year. But yup, that deal worked out well for them. 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Between Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 In return for Peters we received Eric Wood (for 5 yrs on a rookie deal) + the millions in salary cap freed up each yr in not having highest paid LT in football 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, unbillievable said: Between Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away? None. They were traded. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 How many felt that letting Jarius Byrd go was history repeating itself? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: As I watched Peters dominate Mack for most of the game(as he continues down the road to the HoF), it got me thinking, who was the GM when the trade with Philly took place? 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other. The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT. He wanted big time LT money. He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape. The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else. If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys. I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak. The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him. Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year. But yup, that deal worked out well for them. Obviously worked out better for Philly in hindsight but you nail the history. Russ said they would be open to renegotiation but they wanted him to come to Buffalo in the offseason to have an injury examined. Crickets from Peters and his agent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, unbillievable said: What game where you watching? Peters was not good in pass protection. He was as dominant as an orange traffic cone. Philadelphia game planned around the bears pass rush. The same game this author was watching.... http://www.philly.com/eagles/jason-peters-postseason-win-khalil-mack-bears-trey-burton-20190107.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Between Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away? You realize Lynch was a strike away from a year long suspension and was still doing ❄️ in Buffalo bars right? Dude was a ticking time bomb who good for him, kept it somewhat together. the Bills make plenty of dumb moves but you also need to hold the player accountable. 8 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Between Jason Peters and arshawn Lynch, how many other future hall of famers did that regime give away? 8 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Edited January 7, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: The same game this author was watching.... http://www.philly.com/eagles/jason-peters-postseason-win-khalil-mack-bears-trey-burton-20190107.html From what I saw, he got little help and only gave up one late game sack on an inside move. They mentioned it was the first he gave up on the day. I didn’t see the whole game, but he looked good when I was watching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: The same game this author was watching.... http://www.philly.com/eagles/jason-peters-postseason-win-khalil-mack-bears-trey-burton-20190107.html Everyone was making a big deal out of Mack's stats during that game. But if you watched Peters, which I did because I didn't care about either team, you would notice that he looked awful. His "dominance" consisted of being big enough to block a direct line to Foles. He barely got a hand on anyone and was consistently beat inside and out. The eagles just game planned to get the ball out quickly. Edit: I guess being bull-rush proof is a good thing. Forcing Bears to run around you is a type of pass protection. Edited January 7, 2019 by unbillievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You realize Lynch was a strike away from a year long suspension and was still doing ❄️ in Buffalo bars right? Dude was a ticking time bomb who good for him, kept it somewhat together. the Bills make plenty of dumb moves but you also need to hold the player accountable. That might have been the rare win/win/win. Seller, buyer, player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, jahbonas said: In return for Peters we received Eric Wood (for 5 yrs on a rookie deal) + the millions in salary cap freed up each yr in not having highest paid LT in football And how successful were we with that cap room 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rico said: This pic of PT Brandon will never get old. LOL 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You realize Lynch was a strike away from a year long suspension and was still doing ❄️ in Buffalo bars right? Dude was a ticking time bomb who good for him, kept it somewhat together. the Bills make plenty of dumb moves but you also need to hold the player accountable. Yeah. No doubt about Lynch. I almost have the feeling he would have done something else stupid, on purpose, to get out of Buffalo if they didn’t trade him. Now, Peters on the other hand. They screwed the kid. Not that he wasn’t paid handsomely. He was. For a right tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The issue with Peters was mostly with his agent who is currently a resident of hell. Bills should have stuck to guns and told his agent if he did not show up then he would be fined for every day he did not show up and Bills would not forgive fines; they would not trade him and if he showed up unfit he would be declared as such. That agent caused further issues for Bills later and if they stood up then it would have helped in future. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, unbillievable said: How many felt that letting Jarius Byrd go was history repeating itself? I’ll be honest, I hated Byrd going. Thought he was one if the best defensive playmakers the Bills ever had. Talk about dodging a bullet. honestly, it’s funny to talk about but for the most part, this stuff doesn’t real matter unless you have a franchise qb. We weren’t going to win much with JP Losman, Trent Edwards, and whoever we had at QBs. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, Rico said: I am so glad this guy is gone. Brandon, Whaley and Castillo are my most celebrated firings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah. No doubt about Lynch. I almost have the feeling he would have done something else stupid, on purpose, to get out of Buffalo if they didn’t trade him. Now, Peters on the other hand. They screwed the kid. Not that he wasn’t paid handsomely. He was. For a right tackle. I think the Bills were in a no win situation. Peters didn’t have much game experience at LT so to give him a big LT after just giving him a nice RT contract would have been risky. I think fans use hindsight to much. People love talking about how the Dareus deal was. Well, he was an all pro DT when he signed the deal. He got lazy when he got paid. Maybe Peters does the same thing. But dude is a freak. I never thought he would be playing still. even crazier, the Eagles won the SB without him playing most of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Peters is a much better player than Eric wood whom the bills drafted with that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, jahbonas said: In return for Peters we received Eric Wood (for 5 yrs on a rookie deal) + the millions in salary cap freed up each yr in not having highest paid LT in football and we never needed a LT since then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Peters is a much better player than Eric wood whom the bills drafted with that pick. Wood wanted to be here. Peters seemed to just want to escape. He was not yet proven, though indeed a freak! Talent is not equal, but we got a nice price for an UDFA. Sometimes that’s just how it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: This pic of PT Brandon will never get old. LOL Geez...Napoli should have made the sleeves longer... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Augie said: Wood wanted to be here. Peters seemed to just want to escape. He was not yet proven, though indeed a freak! Talent is not equal, but we got a nice price for an UDFA. Sometimes that’s just how it is. Yup. But clearly if we had Peters, we would have been a powerhouse. He would have taken Trent to the next level. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I give them credit for finding him more than giving them grief for him leaving. He didnt want to be in buffalo. Plain and simple. The fact that they found him as an oversized te (wasnt he undrafted) is most impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, uticaclub said: And how successful were we with that cap room And how successful were we with Peters? Facts are: Peters forced his way out. Really was not the fault of the Bills front office. They can be held accountable for a whole lot over most the past 2 decades, but this particular situation was all on Peters. He got paid then wanted more and decided to stay home and get fat. More importantly he led the league in sacks allowed the year before as well and yet was still asking for even more money after 1 year on his already new deal. And we got Wood out of it, who did eventually help us make the playoffs last year while we never made the playoffs with Peters. We also had a pretty good LT most the years since Peters has been gone, LT hasn’t been the WHY we struggled to win or make playoffs. It was a win-win for Bills and Eagles. Edited January 7, 2019 by Alphadawg7 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Hebert19 said: I give them credit for finding him more than giving them grief for him leaving. He didnt want to be in buffalo. Plain and simple. The fact that they found him as an oversized te (wasnt he undrafted) is most impressive. Demetress Bell actually had a pretty decent year the next year too. Also went to the Eagles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Regarding Lynch, not only was his pseudo criminal history a problem but when we drafted Spiller he and his agent went to Buddy and told him he would not sign any new contract with the Bills and wanted a trade. Given he was one more bad decision away from being suspended Buddy made the deal. The Bills front office back then had issues. Ralph was older and relied on guys he knew like Brandon and Marv, Littman had too much influence. I think those times are over with the Pegulas. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Peters refused to play for the Bills. He forced his way off the team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, jahbonas said: In return for Peters we received Eric Wood (for 5 yrs on a rookie deal) + the millions in salary cap freed up each yr in not having highest paid LT in football I guess that resulted in a playoff appearance like ten years later on Wood's last year as a pro. I wouldn't say thats a great return. 18 minutes ago, Dr. K said: Peters refused to play for the Bills. He forced his way off the team. Bad attitude. No, he had a HORRIBLE attitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 32 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Regarding Lynch, not only was his pseudo criminal history a problem but when we drafted Spiller he and his agent went to Buddy and told him he would not sign any new contract with the Bills and wanted a trade. Given he was one more bad decision away from being suspended Buddy made the deal. The Bills front office back then had issues. Ralph was older and relied on guys he knew like Brandon and Marv, Littman had too much influence. I think those times are over with the Pegulas. Right on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Not to rehash all this but it was never clear cut one way or the other. The Bills gave Peters a nice contract after his first season as a RT. He wanted big time LT money. He held out and refused to return their phone calls and when he should up, he was completely out of shape. The Bills finally traded him and ended up with a decent return, I believe a 1st and something else. If the Pats did this, we would praise their culture and getting rid of me guys. I know it’s impossible to take the middle ground in any debate but I completely see both sides. Peters is a HOF and a freak. The Bills signed the guy as a UDFA TE and moved him. Peters also has had some major injuries and missed most of last year. But yup, that deal worked out well for them. This! We took a chance on him, paid him, and he was all about himself. Missed quite a few games, etc and it was the right thing to do to move on. At the time, I would’ve taken the under on him playing more than half of his games healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I stopped reading after the 1st page, but of note i cant believe not a single person commented or hot linked google. Slippin' boys!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 48 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Geez...Napoli should have made the sleeves longer... Maybe his arms grow like Pinocchio’s nose? (JK, I liked him for the most part. If only he could have kept his nose in his pants!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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