Updated: Steelers open to trading Antonio Brown - Rooney sees it hard bringing him back

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

That would be the dead cap space for the Steelers, not the team he would be traded to. And Pittsburgh is always tight on cap room.

Yeah.  You're pry right.  I could see a desperate team like the Jets or Cardinals taking on that cap hit as they're QB has a lot of years left on his rookie contract.  My guess is that the Steelers patch things up with him though.

3 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

That would be the dead cap space for the Steelers, not the team he would be traded to. And Pittsburgh is always tight on cap room.

Yeah.  You're pry right.  I could see a desperate team like the Jets or Cardinals taking on that cap hit as they're QB has a lot of years left on his rookie contract.  My guess is that the Steelers patch things up with him though.

[formerlyofCtown]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Developing Josh Allen is job #1.

 

Teams like the Chiefs, Rams, Texans, Eagles and Bears are using stud WR's to elevate the game of their raw young QB's.

 

All but the Chiefs were bad teams like the Bills..........and the next year they became surprise contenders.

 

And btw........they better be contenders next season or McBeane got some 'splainin' to do.........no 5 year plans in the modern NFL.

 

 

Yup they have some really good Olines on those teams.  They will be contenders as long as they dont do anything like trade the 9th overall pick straight up for a 29 year old WR.  If we still had a healthy and productive Cogs and Wood on this team.  I would say go for it straight up.  But our Oline is priority #1.

[Alphadawg7]

34 minutes ago, dabills21 said:

I don't pretend to know everything, but i do know that the Steelers won't trade him.

 

Want to back up your comment with a wager? I'm ready when u are..

 

edit: intended for gugny

 

Why do you say this?  Steelers have repeatedly let their #1 WR go in their prime because they always have guys coming up. 

 

I mean everyone said they would cave and not lose Bell.  They didn’t budge.  It’s absolutely possible they will trade AB.  Doesn’t mean it happens, but to say there is no chance is foolish based on their history of handling the WR situation and player issues.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[JoPar_v2]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Unless AB is serious enough about wanting out of Steeltown to give back some of his bonus, the Steelers literally can not afford to trade or cut him.

$22M in dead cap would cripple them next year, with losing a serious talent to boot.

 

 

 

Yeah he’s not going anywhere with the dead cap hit. Tomlin will work out some sort of shaky détente between the 3 of them in the offseason and AB will still throw his usual fits occasionally next season, but he’ll be back.

 

my God for a guy that already got his money, has help around him, a QB throwing him dozens of targets per game, gatorade commercials, amazon commercials, madden covers, he sure seems a bit needy. Definitely feeling himself a bit too much.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I heard it through the grapevine he'd only count for 7 million against the cap if they trade him after June 1st.  The Bills have no shot in hell, but he still could realistically be traded.  I'm sure the Steelers and him will make amends though.

 

I can't speak to the sources and information of your grapevine, but let's just say I'd stop regarding it as a source of straight gouge.

The bottom line is that the Steelers have amortized $21.1M of AB's signing bonus into 2019, 2020, and 2021.  Designating him an after-June-1 cut would shift when they have to pay it, but they'd still have to pay it, plus, they would have to pay him an extra $2.5M roster bonus this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

 

Note: Overthecap does not show the impact of post-June1 trades and cuts correctly at this point; it doesn't give the team the option to split it as originally designated.

[Big Turk]

58 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I don’t view it as a bad bet. I wouldn’t expect to have Brown playing at an elite level for the next 5 years but if we can get him at his current production for the next 2 or 3 then I think it would be a tremendous help to Allen’s development. For that I’ll gladly take that chance.

But you are taking on the Steelers overpaid extension for these years based on his prior production for THEM.  That's where the issue is.

Edited January 1, 2019 by matter2003

[formerlyofCtown]

29 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's not a better question at all. In fact the two issues are almost unrelated.

 

Julio fills one of the biggest needs on the team; one of the ones you yourself listed.

 

I can feel pretty confident that I can find at least 2 starting OLmen in FA. 

 

You have 9 more draft picks to add talent in areas that are very easy to fill like RB, off-ball LB, rotational DT, and TE. In fact, not a single player from

LorAx, Clay, Shady, or Kyle was a high draft pick; 3 of the 4 were post 5th round.

 

 I also have no clue how you can claim to be confident that a 9th overall pick will be a 10-year contributor; just look at the last 10 #9 overall picks--only 3 turned out to be studs.

They havnt missed yet in the first now have they.

And as far as your first statement LOLOL.  They are absolutely related.

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ohno.  Nono.  Way worse.  Way way worse.  McCoy ran his mouth about Kelly, but he never ran out of the locker room at halftime or off of the practice field, or skipped mandatory meetings.  Nothing of that sort.

 

 

 

Debatable to say the least.   McCoy complained a lot about Kelly making him train hard and eat right.   He refused to do what his coaches asked and played freestyle football.  He was traded for cause and then he brought his uncoachability to Buffalo for a disappointing 2015 season.   After a thorough humiliation on multiple levels he came back a changed player/teammate in 2016.  

 

AB and some players have an issue with Big Ben being treated like a boss when he's gotten away with rape numerous times, nearly killed himself on a motorcycle and has backstabbed his teammates at times in the media.   It's been coming to a head.   Unlike McCoy or Ben.....AB is pretty clean off the field which is why you see him sipping' pepsi and eating pizza in commercials and they aren't.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

I can feel pretty confident that I can find at least 2 starting OLmen in FA. 

 

I respect your judgement.

 

Who are they? 

 

Cuz I been lookin' and it seems like the pickin's are slim

[dabills21]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Why do you say this?  Steelers have repeatedly let their #1 WR go in their prime because they always have guys coming up. 

 

I mean everyone said they would cave and not lose Bell.  They didn’t budge.  It’s absolutely possible they will trade AB.  Doesn’t mean it happens, but to say there is no chance is foolish based on their history of handling the WR situation and player issues.

It's not a foolish comment.  Please go back and review the points that I laid out.  Most importantly, the cap situation...

 

Pittsburgh does move on from players at the right time, you are correct about that.  But you're completely off base thinking this is the right time.  When they moved on from santanio, Wallace, and sanders...none of these guys were:

1. arguably the best WR in the NFL OR

2. had a contract structured in a detrimental fashion to the Steelers to trade them

 

LB situation was completely different...

 

PM me if you want to back up your opinion

[cle23]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  You're pry right.  I could see a desperate team like the Jets or Cardinals taking on that cap hit as they're QB has a lot of years left on his rookie contract.  My guess is that the Steelers patch things up with him though.

Yeah.  You're pry right.  I could see a desperate team like the Jets or Cardinals taking on that cap hit as they're QB has a lot of years left on his rookie contract.  My guess is that the Steelers patch things up with him though.

 

They cant pass the hit on to any other team. If he is traded or cut,  they have to eat it. No way around it unless, as was mentioned, AB gives back money, which won't happen.

[dabills21]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can't speak to the sources and information of your grapevine, but let's just say I'd stop regarding it as a source of straight gouge.

The bottom line is that the Steelers have amortized $21.1M of AB's signing bonus into 2019, 2020, and 2021.  Designating him an after-June-1 cut would shift when they have to pay it, but they'd still have to pay it, plus, they would have to pay him an extra $2.5M roster bonus this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

 

Note: Overthecap does not show the impact of post-June1 trades and cuts correctly at this point; it doesn't give the team the option to split it as originally designated.

Thanks! These are the exact details that I found...based on his March 2018 contract restructure, meant to provide enough cap space to fit Bell under the franchise tag...funny how that backfired

[Alphadawg7]

56 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

1. You didn’t prove anything;

 

2. This was just a question about “likeable” star wideouts. JuJu is emerging as a star, elite wideout in his own right. Sure it helps him that he has AB lined up opposite him most days. Big deal. There are several other WR2s in the league oppo elite guys as well and they don’t come close to Juju’s production. Is Will Fuller putting up juju’s numbers? Is Calvin Ridley? I didn’t dismiss you because you “proved” anything wrong. I dismissed because you’re off-topic.

 

Will Fuller is, and better when he is healthy with Watson.  Ridley is a rookie.  

 

JuJu disappears when AB isn’t in the game.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'd trade a 1st and Poyer to the Steelers if that's what it took. Antonio Brown is a top 10 player in the entire league and immediately fills our biggest need. You don't let someone like that go because he has bad blood with an above average safety. If Brown is available we should do whatever it takes to get him. I'd offer a 1st and a 4th and maybe a player.

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you. There is no debate about his talent. So let's put that issue aside. What there is a debate about is his character. Let's be clear here I'm talking about football character and not civil character. Is he in general a good guy? I can't say because I don't know him. However, what I can say is that he is an atrocious teammate who out of petulance walked away from his team at a critical juncture. His volcanic volatility that resulted in him walking out on his team for whatever reason is not acceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. There is nothing unusual about receivers having diva traits. What's extraordinarily rare and unconscionable is without warning simply not showing up for a game when so much is on the line because he was upset about something. I don't give a dam what the problem was because the way he handled it was despicable.

 

McDermott talks a lot about the team concept and the type of players he wants to build the roster with. He preaches individual sacrifice for the betterment of the team He talks about character ad nauseum. If he brought in a player such as Antonio Brown after his self-absorbed and traitorous non-show for a game he would for the future sabotage his credibility on this topic that he so often preaches about.

 

Again, no thank you on this ugly diva who was willing to sabotage his team because he was upset about something. I would prefer to use that dedicated amount of money on the OL or receiving unit. Some principles are hard to live up to. This is not one of them.  

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I respect your judgement.

 

Who are they? 

 

Cuz I been lookin' and it seems like the pickin's are slim

 

At guard, I can think (off the top of my head) of Glowinski, Foster, Cann, Spain, and Saffold.

 

At OT, again off the top of my head I like Daryl Williams, JaWuan James, Ty Nsehke, and maybe Trent Brown as well.

 

Center is tougher; you're basically down to Morse, because I can't imagine Denver lets Paradis walk.

[GETTOTHE50]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Steelers seem like a mess

 

I always thought Tomlin was a badass but it sounds like he is a pushover

 

He’s a scumbag for tripping that ravens player. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, dabills21 said:

It's not a foolish comment.  Please go back and review the points that I laid out.  Most importantly, the cap situation...

 

Pittsburgh does move on from players at the right time, you are correct about that.  But you're completely off base thinking this is the right time.  When they moved on from santanio, Wallace, and sanders...none of these guys were:

1. arguably the best WR in the NFL OR

2. had a contract structured in a detrimental fashion to the Steelers to trade them

 

LB situation was completely different...

 

PM me if you want to back up your opinion

 

Dude, what’s with this whole kick you are on where you want to bet everyone on this nonsense.  He may not get traded, where did I day he for sure will?  You’re the only one talking in absolutes.  

 

And people said Raiders absolutely won’t trade Mack.  People said absolutely Steelers wouldn’t lose Bell.  People said Allen will absolutely be a bust.  People said we absolutely took the wrong Josh.  People told me I was nuts when I said Mayfield was best QB in draft all college football season and then they told me Mayfield absolutely wouldnt be drafted in the first round.  

 

Being absolute about things that haven’t happened yet is foolish.  And Steelers history suggests its possible they might trade him.  Doesn’t mean they will, but this “bet me” bravado over something this insignificant is a waste of energy.  Good for you that you can see the future, hopefully you put that skill to better use like the lottery than wasting it on ABs and the Steelers future.  

Edited January 1, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

They havnt missed yet in the first now have they.

And as far as your first statement LOLOL.  They are absolutely related.

 

So why would you be worried about them missing if they move down in a trade for a veteran WR?

 

And no, they're not related. Draft picks and need shouldn't ever be related outside of QB. If you draft for need you're chasing your tail and likely passing on better players 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Yup they have some really good Olines on those teams.  They will be contenders as long as they dont do anything like trade the 9th overall pick straight up for a 29 year old WR.  If we still had a healthy and productive Cogs and Wood on this team.  I would say go for it straight up.  But our Oline is priority #1.

 

 

I think we are all in agreement that the Bills need to improve the OL...........but those regimes in KC, LA, Houston, Philly and Chicago haven't spent much draft capital on OL at all.

 

And of course the strength of the OL in this class is mid-round development players...........there isn't much quality at the top..........so that #9 overall pick is most likely not in play for OL anyway.

 

Try to remember........you are only getting one pick there........you aren't filling 5 areas of need with the #9 overall. 

 

 

 

    

[BarleyNY]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can't speak to the sources and information of your grapevine, but let's just say I'd stop regarding it as a source of straight gouge.

The bottom line is that the Steelers have amortized $21.1M of AB's signing bonus into 2019, 2020, and 2021.  Designating him an after-June-1 cut would shift when they have to pay it, but they'd still have to pay it, plus, they would have to pay him an extra $2.5M roster bonus this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

 

Note: Overthecap does not show the impact of post-June1 trades and cuts correctly at this point; it doesn't give the team the option to split it as originally designated.

 

On Spotrac when you look at a contract if you click the red X next to the season you want information about it will show you all of the details about cutting or trading the player that season.  The Steelers can trade Brown if they want but it would hurt in the short term.  Still, it's manageable. 

[dabills21]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Dude, what’s with this whole mick you are where you want to bet everyone on this nonsense.  He may not get traded, where did I day he for sure will?  You’re the only one talking in absolutes.  

 

And people said Raiders absolutely won’t trade Mack.  People said absolutely Steelers wouldn’t lose Bell.  People said Allen will absolutely be a bust.  People said we absolutely took the wrong Josh.  People told me I was nuts when I said Mayfield was best QB in draft all college football season and then they told me Mayfield absolutely wouldnt be drafted in the first round.  

 

Being absolute about things that haven’t happened yet is foolish.  And Steelers history suggests Iran possible they might trade him.  Doesn’t mean they will, but this “bet me” bravado over something this insignificant is a waste of energy.  Good for you that you can see the future, hopefully you put that skill to better use like the lottery than wasting it on ABs and the Steelers future.  

Maybe because I'm extremely confident....

 

and think your justication is completely worthless.

 

Let's recap, you think AB is possibly traded and I don't.  I'm suggesting a friendly wager, because I'm extremely confident, if you don't want to wager so be it...but I'm allowed to be confident and provided plenty of justification....

 

Not crap, that is completely unrelated like yourself.  Bell, Mack (not even the Steelers), or past situations with Steeler WRs are NOT reasons to justify your case....or any other situation where people didn't think it would happen then it did. 

 

How about you provide some direct justification of your opinion...dont let my confidence get in your way

[Doc Brown]

21 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

They cant pass the hit on to any other team. If he is traded or cut,  they have to eat it. No way around it unless, as was mentioned, AB gives back money, which won't happen.

Okay.  Thanks.  They basically screwed themselves.  You have to wonder at this point is Tomlin the right man for the job with all the dysfunction this season.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Doc Brown

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Debatable to say the least.   McCoy complained a lot about Kelly making him train hard and eat right.   He refused to do what his coaches asked and played freestyle football.  He was traded for cause and then he brought his uncoachability to Buffalo for a disappointing 2015 season.   After a thorough humiliation on multiple levels he came back a changed player/teammate in 2016.  

 

Certainly it's debatable since we can debate it.  It is a fact that McCoy did not have as productive a year in 2015, but he was also sharing carries with Karlos Williams and Mike Gillislee as well as Tyrod.  Now maybe you have some inside gouge, but I hadn't heard anything on "uncoachability".  In fact, ALynn was said to have put a weighted vest on McCoy at the start of the season and persuaded him to eat right and lose 10 pounds.  That doesn't sound like "uncoachability".

 

If you've got inside gouge to back that up, spill.  And as I said, I never heard of him outright skipping team meetings, walking out of practices, etc etc and still expecting to play.

 

I grant you that McCoy is a bit gangsta off the field.  There was that off-season off-duty LEO brawl.  As for AB being pretty clean off the field as you say below, why then is he being sued for throwing furniture off a 14 story balcony, narrowly missing killing a toddler then?  "innocent victim of circumstance" sha, sha.

 

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

AB and some players have an issue with Big Ben being treated like a boss when he's gotten away with rape numerous times, nearly killed himself on a motorcycle and has backstabbed his teammates at times in the media.   It's been coming to a head.   Unlike McCoy or Ben.....AB is pretty clean off the field which is why you see him sipping' pepsi and eating pizza in commercials and they aren't.  

 

Let's break this down.  The motorcycle thing was 2006.  Big Ben was accused of rape twice: in 2010 and 2008.  In neither case were charges filed.  After the 2010 incident, he was suspended for 6 games.  I haven't heard a thing since.  He got married in 2011 and has 3 kids.  Yes, folks remember that, especially Bengals and Ravens fans, but do you really think a guy like Antonio Brown, a rookie when the whole Roethlisrapist thing went down, is still carrying salt over that?  And he's one of maybe what, 3 players on the Steelers who were around for that?

 

That's a tough sell here.  No, I don't think that's the issue.  8 years is ancient history in NFL time, let alone 12 years.

 

Now, that said I believe you're absolutely right that players have an issue with Big Ben, but it's not because of his past - it's because of his repeated backstabbing and blame-shifting and throwing under the bus of his teammates in the media and on his weekly radio show.  It's been published that he had to learn to be a good teammate and supposedly by 2015 he'd turned things around.  If that's so, by all accounts he's regressed completely.  He's gotten a big head to go with his big body and his big completion percentage, and he's forgotten it's a team game.  And if he's like that in public, one can only guess what he's like in practice and the locker room.

 

Sucks to be Tomlin.  "To whom much is given, much is expected"  He's got all the talent in the world on that team and he can't get them to get along. The Pittsburgh "Me" lers.

[Rc2catch]

This thing is going off the rails I’m shutting it down.. Lol

 

in all seriousness why would some of you want to trade for a guy who demands targets and is going to throw a temper tantrum every time Allen looks for another teammate? I personally don’t think Pittsburgh can let him go unless they get an impact player plus elite draft picks to compensate the cap issues it will cause them. Those dead cap hits are no joke for a team like them with limited cap wiggle room. 

[Alphadawg7]

16 minutes ago, dabills21 said:

Maybe because I'm extremely confident....

 

and think your justication is completely worthless.

 

Let's recap, you think AB is possibly traded and I don't.  I'm suggesting a friendly wager, because I'm extremely confident, if you don't want to wager so be it...but I'm allowed to be confident and provided plenty of justification....

 

Not crap, that is completely unrelated like yourself.  Bell, Mack (not even the Steelers), or past situations with Steeler WRs are NOT reasons to justify your case....or any other situation where people didn't think it would happen then it did. 

 

How about you provide some direct justification of your opinion...dont let my confidence get in your way

 

Geezus dude, you have some issues man.  

1. Who really cares in the first place
2. I did NOT say he will get traded, just scoffed at the suggestion its impossible.
3. I already provided justification
4. Being absolute on anything that hasn't happened is both a waste of time and stupid and the road of absolute declarations is riddled with the tears of failed predictions

Good luck with all that "I will bet you" bravado over things no one cares about.  Hope that finds you some sense of happiness in the new year.

[Jerome007]

56 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 for a guy that already got his money, has help around him, a QB throwing him dozens of targets per game, gatorade commercials, amazon commercials, madden covers, he sure seems a bit needy. Definitely feeling himself a bit too much.

In the NFL Top 100 players, as supposedly selected by the other players, he came in at #2 behind Brady last year. I'm not even sure he cracks the Top 10 this year. Still an awesome player but like you mention, what does it take to keep him happy????

[Starr Almighty]

Big Ben is the issue. He doesn't get along with anyone. I'd take AB and Bell in a heartbeat. But that's just me. If I were Bell I wouldn't want to play with guys that talk badly about me to the media, same goes with Big Ben he blames his WRs everytime he throws a pick.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Starr Almighty

[BADOLBILZ]

42 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Certainly it's debatable since we can debate it.  It is a fact that McCoy did not have as productive a year in 2015, but he was also sharing carries with Karlos Williams and Mike Gillislee as well as Tyrod.  Now maybe you have some inside gouge, but I hadn't heard anything on "uncoachability".  In fact, ALynn was said to have put a weighted vest on McCoy at the start of the season and persuaded him to eat right and lose 10 pounds.  That doesn't sound like "uncoachability".

 

If you've got inside gouge to back that up, spill.  And as I said, I never heard of him outright skipping team meetings, walking out of practices, etc etc and still expecting to play.

 

I grant you that McCoy is a bit gangsta off the field.  There was that off-season off-duty LEO brawl.  As for AB being pretty clean off the field as you say below, why then is he being sued for throwing furniture off a 14 story balcony, narrowly missing killing a toddler then?  "innocent victim of circumstance" sha, sha.

 

 

Let's break this down.  The motorcycle thing was 2006.  Big Ben was accused of rape twice: in 2010 and 2008.  In neither case were charges filed.  After the 2010 incident, he was suspended for 6 games.  I haven't heard a thing since.  He got married in 2011 and has 3 kids.  Yes, folks remember that, especially Bengals and Ravens fans, but do you really think a guy like Antonio Brown, a rookie when the whole Roethlisrapist thing went down, is still carrying salt over that?  And he's one of maybe what, 3 players on the Steelers who were around for that?

 

That's a tough sell here.  No, I don't think that's the issue.  8 years is ancient history in NFL time, let alone 12 years.

 

Now, that said I believe you're absolutely right that players have an issue with Big Ben, but it's not because of his past - it's because of his repeated backstabbing and blame-shifting and throwing under the bus of his teammates in the media and on his weekly radio show.  It's been published that he had to learn to be a good teammate and supposedly by 2015 he'd turned things around.  If that's so, by all accounts he's regressed completely.  He's gotten a big head to go with his big body and his big completion percentage, and he's forgotten it's a team game.  And if he's like that in public, one can only guess what he's like in practice and the locker room.

 

Sucks to be Tomlin.  "To whom much is given, much is expected"  He's got all the talent in the world on that team and he can't get them to get along. The Pittsburgh "Me" lers.

 

 

1) People start forgetting your past when you start being a great teammate who holds himself accountable.   It's never happened with Big Ben.

 

2) Don't forget McCoy going Kareem Hunt on a woman on his party bus back in his Philly days.  His off field history is purdy bad.    Throwing a piece of furniture and almost hitting somebody wouldn't make McCoy's off-field highlight reel.

 

3) Sucks to be Tomlin?   Let me know when McDermott wins a couple SB's and has his team in contention for a decade.

[MAJBobby]

I hope the Bills make a play for Brown. 

[Pbomb]

Wasn’t there an article about how the bills were gonna draft brown but their call was ignored and chose someone else instead, maybe he will come here to make it right

[Dopey]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'd trade a 1st and Poyer to the Steelers if that's what it took. Antonio Brown is a top 10 player in the entire league and immediately fills our biggest need. You don't let someone like that go because he has bad blood with an above average safety. If Brown is available we should do whatever it takes to get him. I'd offer a 1st and a 4th and maybe a player.

To me it's more than the Poyer thing or what would we be willing to give for him. I wouldn't put JA in the position of having to feed him the ball for fear of AB whining and sulking. 

Edited January 1, 2019 by Dopey
Typo

[Buffalo03]

3 minutes ago, Dopey said:

To me it's more than the Poyer thing or what would we be willing to give for him. I wouldn't put JA in the position of having to feed him the ball for fear of AB whining and sulking. 

Outside of this season, I don't think Brown has really been a problem. I never heard about him whining at all until this season

[major]

On 12/31/2018 at 3:46 PM, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said:

everybody wants to have all the credit. Big Ben acting like he doesn't need Bell or Brown. Just JuJu. Blaming his picks on his coaches and WRs. Having a standoff with Tomlin vs the Raiders game. Tomlin doesn't want to have to beg Ben to play that game. Ben wants Tomlin to grovel to get him back in the game.

 

Locker room is a mess. They imploded bigly and I'm not surprised if many want to get out of there. They probably could have had Bell back in all honesty. What kind of offensive line throws shade at their runningback because of money? No runningback in his right mind decides to play behind those guys.. an RB's nightmare.

 

No idea why Brown was out.. although I think he was genuinely hurt? But Big Ben is making everything a hot mess. Must be a super annoying offense to be in with all the drama this year. Dude goes to the media about not having his texts returned..

 

Oof I hate the Steelers! 

Don’t forget that Big Ben also raped someone. He should have been out of the league years ago

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

50 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I hope the Bills make a play for Brown. 

unlikely but would be huge. what kind of contract would it be? they have cap space but I wouldn't want to see them go all mario williams on him?

[Bing Bong]

15 minutes ago, major said:

Don’t forget that Big Ben also raped someone. He should have been out of the league years ago

I'll just play it safe and assume he's a huge creep with no game there haha.

 

Not a fan though. Not for Big Ben. Not for Steelers fans.

Edited January 1, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

unlikely but would be huge. what kind of contract would it be? they have cap space but I wouldn't want to see them go all mario williams on him?

 

Gotta be honest, while we could sure use his talent I do not want players with his me-first attitude on this team. That can be so toxic. 

[dabills21]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Geezus dude, you have some issues man.  

1. Who really cares in the first place
2. I did NOT say he will get traded, just scoffed at the suggestion its impossible.
3. I already provided justification
4. Being absolute on anything that hasn't happened is both a waste of time and stupid and the road of absolute declarations is riddled with the tears of failed predictions

Good luck with all that "I will bet you" bravado over things no one cares about.  Hope that finds you some sense of happiness in the new year.

You can portray me however you like, bottom line is that you called my post out for being foolish...its not uncivil or even outrageous to say to a fellow dude, "well lets wager and see who is right?" Confidence, absolute, etc...pick whatever word you want, but maybe you havent interacted with guy friends like this...

 

Sorry that you have taken my responses so seriously and felt the need to judge my character or happiness with message board posts.  

 

Happy New Year to you also! 

[Bing Bong]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Outside of this season, I don't think Brown has really been a problem. I never heard about him whining at all until this season

And if he's not getting enough. He deserves the targets anyway. Dude's a playmaker who's probably right to complain he's not getting enough targets being a HOFer in his prime on pace to rival Jerry Rice's numbers

 

I'd break the bank for him in a minute. Don't think he's a horrible teammate. Surely has some primadonna reciever in him but who cares. Talent far exceeds the overblown media stories he's had in what.. 3 instances including this just now? It's more the Steelers than Bell or Brown in my opinion. Too consipicuous that their two best players want out so bad.

 

If it's between Brown and Poyer.. pretty crazy how much that affects things. I've gotta go with Poyer. He's my boy and I respect loyalty to your players from the Bills if the beef is substantiated. Pretty sure the rift would cause resentment for anyone close to Poyer in the lockerroom. And honestly I feel the same way since Poyer's been one of my favorite places last two years

[Bing Bong]

10 minutes ago, dabills21 said:

You can portray me however you like, bottom line is that you called my post out for being foolish...its not uncivil or even outrageous to say to a fellow dude, "well lets wager and see who is right?" Confidence, absolute, etc...pick whatever word you want, but maybe you havent interacted with guy friends like this...

 

Sorry that you have taken my responses so seriously and felt the need to judge my character or happiness with message board posts.  

 

Happy New Year to you also! 

"You have issues" ? really scathing retort from an internet stranger on a Bills forum.

 

I don't see much problem with Brown. We blow these alleged "me-first" personalities way out proportion. If you have performed so well for so long as Brown has, something tells me winning football games and giving his best effort for his team is pretty high on his list. The personality issues of one player shouldn't ruin a lockerroom for any coach worth his salt of leading grown men to play football.

 

I think if he's demanding a trade it's a 50/50. To your point Steelers would be much worse off if they firesale Brown and lose Bell in the same season. They'd likely lose the last of their small window with Big Ben still playing.

Edited January 1, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P

[leonbus23]

On 12/31/2018 at 2:37 PM, purple haze said:

The truth is no one grown person can "make" another grown person do a damn thing.  One hopes an ability to analyze circumstances, goals and sel-reflection will lead to a person doing the right things, or accepting a course of action that won't cause disruption.  But Tomlin can't make players at AB's level do anything because money is involved; he can't just cut him. 

 

And lo-Key, Roethlisberger is an issue in Pittsburgh and has been.  He's a blame shifter.  Bad for business when adversity hits.  People don't forget being thrown under bus, especially if, as in Ben's case, he's played poorly in stretches and big moments.

Welcome to fantasy land!