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McCarthy was never one of my favorites but he probably deserves credit for dealing with Rodgers for the length of time that he did. Jeff Saturday went on the record and said Arod would always eyeroll the play calls back in 2011. That’s when the Pack was still good!!!

 

Crazy that it went on for so long and I’m sure a lot of the younger guys follow Rodgers. I don’t think MM was a good coach but I feel bad for him now. 

 

Arod needs to get back to playing football, I’m sure he will light it up this weekend in an attempt to push blame towards his former coach. Some games and plays this year it looked like Rodgers would throw the ball away because he wanted to make a point about the play call. 

 

I also feel bad for the fans. The organization and Aaron would be smart to keep him away from the hiring decision for the new HC. 

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Crazy thought- why not Bill Bellicheck for you guys? 

 

If things go sideways (who knows what that would need to look like) in NE it could be the end of that regime, and Bill might want to take a shot at proving he can win without Brady. And for the Packers, what better way to seek that SB window.

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4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

I feel sorry for the Packers..

 

Hope they can find some success and a decent QB one year..

Its a shame they had that Favre guy and then had to get stuck with Rodgers after that.  If only they were fortunate enough to get guys like Edwards, Collins, Losman and EJ.  Im feeling worse for them with each HOF QB I name that we have had since Kelly.

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4 hours ago, Ice bowl 67 said:

 

Aaron seems aloof and has some mental issues if he wont talk to his family. I like his talent but he comes off as entitled. Dont know how they spent so much time together and yet Rodgers was rebellious.

 

It doesn't matter who your coach is if the QB is working against him it. Will never work.

 

 

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4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

Crazy thought- why not Bill Bellicheck for you guys? 

 

If things go sideways (who knows what that would need to look like) in NE it could be the end of that regime, and Bill might want to take a shot at proving he can win without Brady. And for the Packers, what better way to seek that SB window.

 

That's a pretty good prediction, honestly. I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility in the least. Then Brady tries to hold out so he can play in the SB against the Packers, but loses to the Bills in the Conference Championship, who go on to defeat the Belichick/Rodgers Packers, spoiling the fun for both of them separately.

 

If you're going to be a Bills fan, it's important to have a vivid imagination.

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To Ice’s question, the Pack have had as many injuries this season as they typically do -which is waaay too many. The biggest difference I see has nothing to do with the Packers. The NFCN has risen from the ashes of Hell to perhaps the most competitive Division in football. I say “perhaps” because no one -including themselves- can figure out the Lions. Otherwise, it’s clearly evident Da Bears & Vikings have joined the Rogers-led Packers as formidable.

 

We keep waiting and hoping for that day in the AFCE...

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Your ex-head coach is trash; like, a real modern-day idiot. Also, you have had some real attrition in your WR corps that wasn’t replaced. Defense has always pretty much sucked throughout the Rodgers era. Honestly, you guys should have cleaned house and started rebuilding 3-4 years ago. Now you’re screwed. 

 

Just being honest! Still love ya IceBowl.

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It takes a special kind of person to deal with someone as arrogant and douchey as Aaron Rodgers.  As someone stated upthread, McCarthy deserves credit for doing it for so long.

 

My feeling is that Rodgers undermined McCarthy, which probably put many of his teammates in tough spots.

 

Rodgers has incredible talent.  It is my opinion that his ego/attitude is primarily what's kept him/the Packers from winning more than one Super Bowl.

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Some really poor personnel decision compounded by a coach who keeps doing the same things year after year. I honestly think he only fired Dom Capers under protest. He should have fired him after he let Kaep run all over them in that playoff game 5 or 6 years ago. 

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The Pack seem to have all the pieces on offense to have success. And this year Aaron Jones looks like a good running back which was always the knock that they couldn’t run the ball. I’d say they don’t run enough for success but I haven’t watched more than 3-4 games of theirs this season. As others said I’d say it’s more the division has gotten better and putting too much on Rodgers. I like Pettine as a coordinator, but only so much you can do with injured or limited talent. Trading away Dix was a mind blower for me, when there wasn’t anyone even half established to replace him. 

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I was confused by the thread title until I saw it was @Ice bowl 67that was posting and it was about the Pack.

 

Real shame what they have become.  They are my back up team to watch when I can't stand watching the bills but the pack hasn't been doing it for me either this year.

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Sean McDermott owns this in refusing to move on from Nate Peterman.  Buffalo deserved better and we gave Sean to much credit.  Along with to much time any other Coach would have been roasted, toasted, and fired but Sean has a way of getting apologists rallied around him.  After a vote of confidence to Peterman; Beane cut him before the ink even dried on the transcripts of the presser.  Beane is willing to move on and take the necessary steps to improve the team.  It might mean getting his own guy in there as well; despite McDermott bringing in Beane; it means Beane will want to save his neck and not stick it out for Sean anymore.  

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1 minute ago, Joeziehmer said:

Sean McDermott owns this in refusing to move on from Nate Peterman.  Buffalo deserved better and we gave Sean to much credit.  Along with to much time any other Coach would have been roasted, toasted, and fired but Sean has a way of getting apologists rallied around him.  After a vote of confidence to Peterman; Beane cut him before the ink even dried on the transcripts of the presser.  Beane is willing to move on and take the necessary steps to improve the team.  It might mean getting his own guy in there as well; despite McDermott bringing in Beane; it means Beane will want to save his neck and not stick it out for Sean anymore.  

 

Dude, do you even know waht this thread is about? lol

 

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It's not a "meltdown".   The team just isn't good enough to win yet.   They lucked out last year and got some help to make the playoffs.  This is a rebuild of the entire team and it takes more than one year.  I have complete confidence that the team is headed in the right direction.

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8 hours ago, Ice bowl 67 said:

 

The last few games I’ve wondered why it seems Rogers refuses to check down.

 

one example was vs Seattle. 3rd down from maybe  the 18 or so. Aaron Jones there for the check down, a certain first and goal and perhaps a TD. 

 

Instead Rodgers extends play, keeps looking left and misfires on a low percentage ball outside. 

 

A few other cases where the underneath routes appear to stop trying and the coverage dropped when Rodgers started moving had me wondering? 

 

Does Aaron only play hero ball now?

 

From 2010 to 2014 his efficiency, YPA and comp % are absurd.

 

Lately he’s been much less so. 

 

Maybe be a new coach is what’s needed after all?

 

Has his ego outgrown his game? 

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17 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Dude, do you even know waht this thread is about? lol

 

Welcome to the board where NFL experts are plentiful! I think he wanted to vent so bad he did not process the original post ha ha!

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I used to think it was a lack of talent around Rodgers that was the issue. But after spending the weekend in GB this year and talking to a lot of Pack fans I started paying a little more attention to MM’s conservative style, and I think that style is the reason the team hasn’t been successful. AR seems like he hates the conservative approach and the disconnect between him and MM ended poorly.

 

MM reminds me a lot of McD in that they both seem overmatched by simple game management philosophy. Whether it be reviews or clock management or 4th down approach, both coaches don’t seem willing to evolve beyond the era in which they cut their teeth. The difference between the two is that MM has a star QB with an ego and his own beliefs, whereas McD has been allowed to shape a roster of “yes men” who won’t question his approach. Which goes back to the selection of Allen over Rosen. I think Rosen presented a lot of the personality traits that Rodgers has and McD wanted no part of it.

 

Good luck though, I like the Pack and hope they find success before AR’s time is up.

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Ice bowl, this move had to happen for your team--plus it gives you a head start on everyone else (minus Cleveland of course, but they aren't up to your level yet of job attractiveness despite QB up and coming) and allows McCarthy to interview that much quicker elsewhere as well. He won't have a problem finding a new gig. I have little doubt you will bounce back fairly rapidly with the time Aaron has left. 

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I have no sympathy. You have went to a Superbowl 3x in the last two decades or so. You've had two of the best QBs ever and with Rodgers managed to waste a portion of his prime. Overall fans of any other team would die to have a quarter of what packer fans have had for over two decades running.

 

Now football wise? McCarthy didn't seem to have the stuff anymore and I think his message got stale. The team has too many high priced vets like Cobb and Matthews that don't make enough of impact worth keeping. The Packers remind me of the Saints during that period they went 7-9 for a bit where they had to retool in a bunch of places on defense and refit the offense. I think the Packers have more pieces and they have a better cap situation then the Saints did so they should be able to turn it faster. The bigger issue could be the Pack didn't take advantage when the Bears and Vikings were down during the early to mid 2010's. Both team are ready to win now with ferocious defenses designed to slow offense like GB. All of that said the Packers should have the ability to comeback hard next year in my eyes and anything less then one more SB appearance for Rodgers with the Pack seems like a failure during his end here.

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The guy needs a coach like Belicheck that doesn't give a damn what he's accomplished in the past.  Otherwise, I hate to say it, but he appears to be a cancer on the team.

 

He's looked miserable playing this year since week 1 and for several years now...  I wonder if he even likes Football.  The only time he looked like he was enjoying himself was 2nd half of week 1 after he took a bunch of pain killers and they rallied to beat the Bears.

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Welcome to our world Ice Bowl 67! I love you now more than ever. You've been inducted into a Bills season of the 21st century. Best luck for all of us next year.

Just now, Ice bowl 67 said:

You guys are right. I bet your hoping we are in the basement for awhile right. 

Nah, and you won't be. I mean you're not even in the same conference so.. ya just walked a mile in our shoes this year.. call it character building :) 

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The Packers situation shows that a talented QB can’t get it done on his own.  The GM, HC, OC and QB all have to be in alignment.  It appears that this was not the case in GB.  I would imagine that any coaching candidate out there would be salivating to have an opportunity to work with Rogers.  

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3 hours ago, Gugny said:

It takes a special kind of person to deal with someone as arrogant and douchey as Aaron Rodgers.  As someone stated upthread, McCarthy deserves credit for doing it for so long.

 

My feeling is that Rodgers undermined McCarthy, which probably put many of his teammates in tough spots.

 

Rodgers has incredible talent.  It is my opinion that his ego/attitude is primarily what's kept him/the Packers from winning more than one Super Bowl.

Ya gotta deal with it though. It's certainly a fault of Rodgers for being so stubborn and difficult, especially as he's gained more validation in the years after the SB. But there's nothing the FO can really do about it. I'm envisioning a defensive minded HC (who leaves the pampering to the OC), and a more quarterback friendly, been there, done that, sort of OC to be Rodgers' playcaller/yes man. Like a.. Frank Reich type or something.

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1 hour ago, Ice bowl 67 said:

Hey Beast! Long time no talk. Merry Christmas!

 

Same to you, buddy. I did have a great time while visiting Green Bay for the game. Appleton was awesome. The Octoberfest was an absolute blast.

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