Anonymous Poll: Would you support a Bills waiver claim for Kareem Hunt?

[26CornerBlitz]

9 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I disagree.

 

What would have happened if there were no witnesses?

 

What would have happened if there weren't two men and a woman holding him back throughout his attempt to attack the woman?

 

Hunt was completely out of control, and only stopped from doing major physical harm by the fact that his entourage did what they could to prevent the attack. 

 

If that were true he would have done more than push the woman when she 1st approached him in the video. 

[formerlyofCtown]

I think he obviously needs counseling (long term not a six month program or something), but I am all for second chances if a person is sincerely remorseful.

9 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I'm on the fence about programs and classes to change behavior. It has to be the person wanting to change and they have to make an honest effort. I've seen many people attend programs and a lot of them were there just to act like they're bettering themselves but go right back to what they were doing but with more caution so they don't get caught again. People would go back to giving them the benefit of the doubt because of the program while the person continued their ways. 

Fair enough but would you prefer a person not attending a program and promising not to do it again.  

 

The truth is that a lot of people that do these types of things lack the tools to manage their emotions.

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills have largely avoided criticism for keeping Shady after all the allegations he has had ... mainly due to lack of evidence but there was the video with him fighting the off duty cops. But lots of accusations thrown out a lot him over the years about women, kid, dog abuse... just saying, they’ve stood by him and wouldn’t expect them to pick up another guy with actual evidence of this 

 

Completely different situations.  In Shady's fight with the off duty cops, some of the witnesses said the cops instigated the fight.  They certainly didn't shy away from it.   The allegations of Shady hitting women never came from credible sources.   The police never pressed charges because there was no clear evidence Shady did anything wrong.  

 

Here we have video of Hunt instigating the violence and later escalating it by knocking the woman to the floor and kicking her.  Hunt's wrong-doing is both disgusting and indisputable.  

[Kmart128]

Yeah I'd support him. He is a jerk obviously but whether your a jerk or not should not determine if he should have a job... I work with plenty of jerks. Unless he gets arrested for the incident then he should still have a job.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

I get what you are saying. But let me ask you does he learn at all when another team just immediately re-employs him. 

 

Just get tired of the excuses made for these adults because they can run fast. Chiefs did the right thing. And I would be disgusted with my team if they claimed him. 

 

So essentially they are not smart enough to walk away I guess. Always have to be the Alpha Male 

 

I'm not sure it's a matter of "smart", though for sure these guys are not being selected for their mental acuity. 

My kid dated a football player her freshman year.  Nose tackle.  Fundamentally a decent kid.  Came from a rough part of town, attended her school on a scholarship.   Mom worked 2 full-time jobs.  Dad in jail.   He was very sweet to my kid and respectful to us, but he made it clear all the time he came from a background of crap unhealthy relationships of every kind and that was what he knew.  I don't know how to explain it.  I could see it all the time from little to big things.  My kid was, and I was, all the time explaining stuff that everyone here would be "well durrr" but he was blind to.   Anyway, my kid said what he'd grown up with was, someone pushes you, push them back harder.  Someone hits you, hit them back harder.  Don't let anyone "disrespect" you in any way, ever.   Bringing in someone else to help solve a problem - teacher, counselor, security guard - just wasn't part of the picture.  A lot of anger simmering under the surface, all the time.   After ~6 months, my kid got tired of the drama and ended it.  Can't say it made me sad.

 

Football is a very violent game.  As Eric Woods said, "you can do things on the football field that are severely illegal anywhere else".  I think a lot of these guys have a lot of anger, and between the whistles on a football field is a socially acceptable way of getting it out.   The problem is what they do with their anger off season and the "code of conduct" they've learned.  Some of them adapt and figure it out in civilian life.  Some of them don't. 

 

I'm not making excuses for Hunt, his behavior was unacceptable and wrong. 

I'm just saying his behavior has a context, and if I were another team, whether I wanted him or not would depend on understanding that context and how Hunt sees it now.

[Max Fischer]

My God. One-Third of you would bring him in?  What's wrong wit you people?  

[/dev/null]

I would not sign Hunt at this particular moment.

 

However if the jurisdictional law enforcement agencies confirm that no charges have been or will be filed, I would off him a three year contract at league minimum with no signing bonus and a roster bonus for 2020.  Hunt will not play again in 2018.  The NFL will slap him with a 6 game suspension as is their right regardless of the legal situation.  Hunt's actions have brought serious negative publicity to the NFL as a whole so the NFL is within their rights to suspend or even ban him outright.

 

Structure a contract at league minimum for the remainder of 2019 while he sits at home.  League minimum for 2020 and 2021.  If he keeps out of trouble and performs on the field, by 2021 this will have blown over.  Give him a nice roster bonus in 2021 and negotiate a long term extension

[Formerly Allan in MD]

33 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

My God. One-Third of you would bring him in?  What's wrong wit you people?  

Relatives of Dan Snyder?

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I get what you are saying. But let me ask you does he learn at all when another team just immediately re-employs him. 

 

Just get tired of the excuses made for these adults because they can run fast. Chiefs did the right thing. And I would be disgusted with my team if they claimed him. 

 

So essentially they are not smart enough to walk away I guess. Always have to be the Alpha Male 

 

Chiefs didn’t do the right thing.  Right thing would have been to cut Tyreek Hill too.  Tyreek Hill was guilty of way worse and actual domestic abuse.  

 

So I give Chiefs no “kudos” because they cut someone only after TMZ shares a video.  They didn’t cut Hunt because of a stance against violence against women, otherwise they would cut Hill too.  They cut Hunt over a PR issue.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

I think he deserves a second chance but he won't get it here.

 

McBeane are not yet at the point in the process where they would take on a rehabilitation project.

 

 

 

...paging Boy Danny Snyder.......AP will be all done so he can devote his time to child rearing...........prolly gets an Everlast endorsement........

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

With respect, it's not limited to women.  As soon as someone is known to have money, there's no shortage of folks willing to help them spend it  - not just women, but "investment advisors", friends and relatives who need a little help "just this once" with the rent, teammates who show them how to "live the lifestyle" getting expensive manicures and haircuts, pals who expect them to foot the tab for "a night out" and a great party.

 

IMHO, the women are probably the least of the problems these guys face.

And that's how celebrities end up losing touch with reality they get surrounded by these people that only tell them yes and stroke their ego.

[Dopey]

9 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

NO!

 

You never hit a women....ever.

 

 

Ever?!?!

I spanked my girlfriend's ass last night and she liked it. 

Sounds like a Katy Perry song.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

I get what you are saying. But let me ask you does he learn at all when another team just immediately re-employs him. 

 

Just get tired of the excuses made for these adults because they can run fast. Chiefs did the right thing. And I would be disgusted with my team if they claimed him. 

 

So essentially they are not smart enough to walk away I guess. Always have to be the Alpha Male 

I'd honestly rather he not get picked up until the offseason to help cement how serious this is to him.

22 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Chiefs didn’t do the right thing.  Right thing would have been to cut Tyreek Hill too.  Tyreek Hill was guilty of way worse and actual domestic abuse.  

 

So I give Chiefs no “kudos” because they cut someone only after TMZ shares a video.  They didn’t cut Hunt because of a stance against violence against women, otherwise they would cut Hill too.  They cut Hunt over a PR issue.

So these are the comments that confused me in that other thread. I asked if there had been another incident since he got dropped by OSU and I was told there hadn't been. You post makes it look like they should cut Hill because from the incident but they brought him in knowing about it.

[BUFFALOKIE]

I know zip about this this abuse issue. This thread was the first I heard about it. I tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and Mr. Hunt is innocent until the court says otherwise. So, yes. Can never have too many good RBs.

[26CornerBlitz]

26 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

I know zip about this this abuse issue. This thread was the first I heard about it. I tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and Mr. Hunt is innocent until the court says otherwise. So, yes. Can never have too many good RBs.

 

That's already been decided with the case investigated and closed by law enforcement with no charges filed. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

I know zip about this this abuse issue. This thread was the first I heard about it. I tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and Mr. Hunt is innocent until the court says otherwise. So, yes. Can never have too many good RBs.

So in most cases, he won’t be charged with a crime unless there are.visible injuries. If there weren’t that’s going to be very tough. As we all know, there is a video of what he did and the nfl does not care what the court says. They are their own judge and jury and will determine whether and when he plays. Just because he’s not incarcerated doesnt mean he’s automatically eligible to represent the shield. The same is true of a fan - using your own compass,  do you care about his actions enough to not want him on your team? If not, vote yes. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[CEN-CAL17]

9 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

NO!

 

You never hit a women....ever.

 

 

Did he hit a woman?

 

It looked more like a shoving confrontation that ended with a 50% effort kick to her butt.

 

Im more outraged over the fact of how silly it all looked vs a “brutal” attack.

 

I don’t condone his actions there, but I’d take him in a heartbeat. Now Ray Rice, Rueben Foster repeat etc. No way.

 

I just think there’s guys on here trying to take some super high road etc. This was just a silly drunken mess a lot of shoving. The only swing I saw was her trying to hit him.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

14 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

I know zip about this this abuse issue. This thread was the first I heard about it. I tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and Mr. Hunt is innocent until the court says otherwise. So, yes. Can never have too many good RBs.

 

 

Can you press "PLAY"?

[ThunderGun]

I’m in no way condoning what Hunt did, but it’s not half as bad as Joe Mixon landing a haymaker on that girl in a bar.  Yet he was allowed into the league without any real issue. Mixon actually broke bones in the girls face and also was brought up on charges... In this instance Police investigated, he was never charged with anything. NFL obviously has had access to this video for some time and were hoping it wouldn’t come out, atleast not during the season. 

Personally I see a whole lot of over reactions on here.  You guys think stuff like this isn’t going down almost every week with young, rich athletes full of testosterone?  Was he wrong? ABSOLUTELY... but let’s not act like this is War Machine and Christy Mack. He got out of line, he pushed some dude too hard and he bumped into the girl, then he gave her an unnecessary kick (more like a shove with his foot than a full on kick).

Nobody has had a problem rooting for the giant pile of ***** that is Shady McCoy and his laundry list of issues.

 

Or the fact that there is a murderers name on the Wall of Fame... but yeah, let’s over react to something that the authorities didn’t feel was worth bringing him up on charges for.

Edited December 1, 2018 by ThunderGun

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Did he hit a woman?

It looked more like a shoving confrontation that ended with a 50% effort kick to her butt.

Im more outraged over the fact of how silly it all looked vs a “brutal” attack.

I don’t condone his actions there, but I’d take him in a heartbeat. Now Ray Rice, Rueben Foster repeat etc. No way.

I just think there’s guys on here trying to take some super high road etc. This was just a silly drunken mess a lot of shoving. The only swing I saw was her trying to hit him.

 

I'm wondering about the "50% effort kick to her butt".   Just how do you quantitate that effort?  And when, according to your quantitation, does the action start to matter?  55% effort?  75%?  90%?  Or does it only count if we all agree he is going full-out?

 

Does the force exerted play into it at all? Let's say I'm kind of a Flabby McFlabCakes type and I kick someone with 100% effort but less force than Hunt's 50% effort.  Can I now go around kicking people who are crouching on the ground posing no current threat to me full force, and get a free pass from ya? 

 

Is the location of the kick relevant?  If it were a kick to her butt, is that less worthy of notice than a kick to her thigh or kidneys (which is where I see the kick landing)?  What if he were aiming to give her a kidney rupture or compartment syndrome in the thigh, but only managed the butt 'cuz drunk?  Does that mean we should care more, or less? 

 

Lastly, I'm a bit curious about the "did he hit a woman?" question followed by the "50% effort kick to her butt" coda.  We all agree the woman was struck by an extremity connected to Kareem Hunt, right?  Does it somehow make it more chill if the extremity is covered by shoe leather vs terminating in curled fingers?

 

I'll tell you what I think is silly - it's folks trying to make excuses for something that's plainly wrong and has no extenuation - a guy delivering a blow to a girl who is crouching and looks like she's trying to collect her things, posing no current threat that arguably calls for self defense from him.  It would be wrong if it were the girl kicking him, it's wrong with it him kicking her.  Whether he expended 50, 65, 80 or 100% effort does not matter, and neither does the location where his kick landed.  It's wrong, and it's not less wrong because the extremity used to deliver the blow was at the end of his leg rather than his arm.

 

 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

As I said in the other post, I am almost certain that Clark Hunt (Owner/CEO of the Kansas City Chiefs) was in full agreement with releasing Kareem Hunt.

Situations like this go beyond whether there are criminal consequences or not.  Under Armor evidently felt the same,  as it is their right to.

 

The Buffalo Bills entertaining ideas of signing Kareem Hunt would no doubt be a decision made by the owners Terry and Kim Pegula.

If the question was, "Do you think Terry and Kim Pegulas would approve signing Kareem Hunt"?  I would answer probably not.

 

Will another teams owner decide to approve a Kareem Hunt signing?  Time will tell if any other owner approves signing him, as it is their right to.

[H2o]

It's a no from me. I also can't see our owner or FO signing off on it. Not only did he do this, but apparently lied to their faces about it as well. 

[YodaMan79]

After watching the video I don't see the comparison to Ray Rice.  Was he in the wrong and a total idiot?  Yes.  It takes two, and this young lady was instigating the process every step of the way.  The Ray Rice video was in another league in comparison.  He was cut because he lied to the organization on the severity of the altercation.  He'll pay the price, but compared to Big head Ben,  Mixon, Hill, Hardy, or take your pick of FSU QBs, he'll be claimed.  Why shouldn't it be the Bills?  The roster isn't full of choir boys.  If he gets help and can show he's doing everything the right way it's a low risk acquisition.  Football is entertainment, as we've seen, the industry is cesspool.  We shouldn't bank on them on being a societal moral compass. McCoy is on this team, enough said.  

Edited December 1, 2018 by YodaMan79

[Mr. WEO]

Forget Kareem...has anyone considered taking a look at Mike Hunt?

[Tyrod's friend]

without going through all the responses, I'm sure others have noted - this is not a singular event in his lifetime.
 

Putting it a different way - I've never raised a hand to a woman in any way, shape or form and I have been physically attacked. No excuse, none, and no place in our locker room.

[Amaru523]

Maybe this has already been said, but he sounds like Cowboys or Raiders material.

[Tyrod's friend]

21 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said:

After watching the video I don't see the comparison to Ray Rice.  Was he in the wrong and a total idiot?  Yes.  It takes two, and this young lady was instigating the process every step of the way.  The Ray Rice video was in another league in comparison.  He was cut because he lied to the organization on the severity of the altercation.  He'll pay the price, but compared to Mixon, Hill, Hardy, or take your pick of FSU QBs, he'll be claimed.  Why shouldn't it be the Bills?  The roster isn't full of choir boys.  If he gets help and can show he's doing everything the right way it's a low risk acquisition.  Football is entertainment, as we've seen, the industry is cesspool.  We shouldn't bank on them on being a societal moral compass. McCoy is on this team, enough said. 

First, I could care less if McCoy is on the team. He shouldn't be. But you are asking me to extend, to bring to the team, new added problems. I could add that there is no video of Shady, no proof and he is, to this point, being investigated but cleared as of right now.  Not quite the same thing Hunt.

Second, what in the name of all that is good does Ray Rice have to do with this? Does a player have to descend to Rae Carruth? Are there somehow a degree of culpability in striking a woman?

Does it have to be as bad as what some other piece of scum did, to make it beyond what is acceptable to how you want your mother, daughter, sister treated? On top of that, he lied to his team and to management. 

A team is bigger than a player, any player. At any rate, there isn't a chance in HELL that the Pegula family would bring this POS into town. Thank god.

[ThunderGun]

6 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said:

First, I could care less if McCoy is on the team. He shouldn't be. But you are asking me to extend, to bring to the team, new added problems. I could add that there is no video of Shady, no proof and he is, to this point, being investigated but cleared as of right now.  Not quite the same thing Hunt.

Second, what in the name of all that is good does Ray Rice have to do with this? Does a player have to descend to Rae Carruth? Are there somehow a degree of culpability in striking a woman?

Does it have to be as bad as what some other piece of scum did, to make it beyond what is acceptable to how you want your mother, daughter, sister treated? On top of that, he lied to his team and to management. 

A team is bigger than a player, any player. At any rate, there isn't a chance in HELL that the Pegula family would bring this POS into town. Thank god.

McCoy’s rep was already bad BEFORE his recent allegations, the dude is a pos.

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11508449/lesean-mccoy-philadelphia-eagles-left-20-cent-tip-statement-service

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17594571/police-officers-sue-buffalo-bills-rb-lesean-mccoy-bar-fight

 

and then the recent stuff against him that doesn’t involve the woman who was beaten to a pulp by an assailant he “obviously” had nothing to do with-

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/nfl/2018/09/19/lesean-mccoy-bills-child-abuse-allegations-lawsuit

Edited December 1, 2018 by ThunderGun

[Mopreme]

3 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

My God. One-Third of you would bring him in?  What's wrong wit you people?  

Whats wrong with you? Three down back with loads of talent. This is football and a business.  The guy made a mistake.  Yes he was wrong to be physical with that girl but the video doesn’t tell the whole story. 

[YodaMan79]

Tyron's Friend:

I make the comparison to Rice because every media outlet has made the comparison and I don't see it.  We agree on McCoy, get him out of here.  But he isn't, so why not Hunt?  Hypocrisy runs rampant in all avenues of sport, especially the NFL.  This team is entertainment, nothing more.  And they've done a pretty crappy job at it for the past 20 years.  I'm not looking for the Bills set an example of moral high ground.  I know what's right and wrong and teach my children such.  If you don't think players already on the current roster haven't done the same if not worse, you're taking a naive view of things. Why do you watch the NFL at all?  

 

He's 23 and obviously very immature.  Like I originally said, in this situation it takes two for it to have escalated to the point it did.  Sometimes people need guidance and positive influence.  Who's to say the holy rollers within the organization couldn't "save" this young man.  I've seen enough domestic matters to know the woman isn't always the damsel in distress.  Not PC, but I don't care.  If that was my daughter I'd be disappointed in her, too.  Is it ever right to hit a woman, no.  But I also was fortunate to have been raised in an environment that stressed what was right/wrong and didn't have to rely on certain survival mechanisms.  I think of Warren Buffett in his documentary when he stated he was lucky to be born male, white and into a good family. He'll pay the price, more so then the average Joe.  Why can't the Bills help this young man and entertain us in the process? 

[RaoulDuke79]

Damn right I'd give him a shot. Is he an *****? Sure looks like it. Is he talented? Yep. I'd love to have a  winning team full of stand up guys, but that team doesn't  exist.  

[#34fan]

Fact:  Girl-punchers make me sick.

 

Only way I'd  put hands on a chick is if she's armed, and trying to kill me.

 

killing me slowly, like my wife has been doing for the past 11 years is allowed.

[GymShorts84]

Imagine if all those people weren't there to try and restrain him, this would have been a lot worse.  He hit and kicked a 19 year old girl.  I think he may play in the league again, but I hope it's not here. I don't know if I ever heard of the Tyreke Hill incident before today, but he benefited from no video and not being in the NFL when it occurred.  

 

Stop making excuses.  He's an adult, the NFL provides seminars on these exact situations, he made his bed and has to sleep on it.  

[without a drought]

30 minutes ago, #34fan said:

Fact:  Girl-punchers make me sick.

 

Only way I'd  put hands on a chick is if she's armed, and trying to kill me.

 

killing me slowly, like my wife has been doing for the past 11 years is allowed.

I thought she was keeping you out of trouble for the past 11 years.

[YodaMan79]

14 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Funny, I have a feeling half the country wouldn't mind a woman getting punched if she was a refugee. But that's today's selective reality. 

 

This has nothing to do with politics.  But if I was to pick sides on who would traditionally line up where, I think it would look like this:

 

Far right: lock him up and throw away the key, punish him into perpetuity 

Far left: poor kid, he didn't mean it, he been oppressed 

 

Most rational people know that's an idiotic way of looking at things.  How does what you posted relate in any fashion to this discussion?

 

But idiots like you want to politicize everything.  Not everything is black or white, pun intended (simply defined one way or another).  A lot of shades of grey here. 

Edited December 1, 2018 by YodaMan79

[#34fan]

29 minutes ago, The Drought said:

I thought she was keeping you out of trouble for the past 11 years.

 

She is... By killing my hopes and dreams one by one until I'm an empty husk of the energetic, adventurous young man she married... 

 

Other than that she's great...

[Doc Brown]

18 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Funny, I have a feeling half the country wouldn't mind a woman getting punched if she was a refugee. But that's today's selective reality. 

And people on here claim PPP is the cesspool.  

[YodaMan79]

Well, you used gross hyperbole to relate two topics that are not connected.  I haven't read one post that didn't think what he did wasn't wrong.

Edited December 1, 2018 by YodaMan79

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I'd honestly rather he not get picked up until the offseason to help cement how serious this is to him.

So these are the comments that confused me in that other thread. I asked if there had been another incident since he got dropped by OSU and I was told there hadn't been. You post makes it look like they should cut Hill because from the incident but they brought him in knowing about it.

 

If they are going to take a stance a cut a player for physical contact on women, then it doesn’t count unless they apply the same standards to Hill.  

 

Why does Hill get forgiven for a much more severe attack while Hunt on the same team loses his job?

 

Again, Chiefs do NOT get kudos while simoultaneously not holding Hill, a more severe offender, to the same standards.  They cut Hunt over PR, not over moral principle and it bothers me people are giving kudos to a team who isn’t really acting with principals.