Allen best Bills QB of 21st century?

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Periodically, but never consistently long term. Granted, I’m being nitpicky

Yep, which is more than you can say for the others. That’s why those 3 are at the top of the list. They all were acceptable options. They weren’t ideal but were acceptable. 

[PittsforDave]

The article took a mysterious turn at #1. 

 

Typical fluff piece on Allen.

 

Potential aside, he should be 16 or 17. 

 

Do you see how the media provides the narrative of the agenda the team is trying to accomplish. Shameful tactics. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/nfl/2018/09/04/nathan-peterman-highlight-video-short-bills-video

Edited November 22, 2018 by PittsforDave

[CDogg20]

6 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

1-Orton

2-Bledsoe 

3-Fitz

4-Tyrod

5-Flutie

This is such a sad list 

[peterpan]

He's not even the best of 2018.  Barkley is better.

[416BillsFan]

2 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said:

I'll never get over Orton's slide at Oakland. That alone push's him down the list.

Yeah the slide in Denver is what I associate with Orton. Now and forever.

[row_33]

2 hours ago, vorpma said:

So did Flutie, sorry, he is number one since Kelly. Orton will always be remembered for his feet first slide after scrambling short of a first down showing his heart was not into getting to the playoffs in a critical end of year game - possibly the Raiders! Tyrod number two, he did get us into the playoffs; Allen has a chance to bump into number if he wins. The rest - who cares! 

 

agreed

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 hours ago, Rico said:

That automatically puts him at the bottom of any Bills QB list, looking up at EJ and Peterman.

Fun fact: EJ would have the highest career qb rating of any qb on the Bills’ roster.  He leads by over 7 points to the next closet guy, Derek Anderson.  Trust the process!

3 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said:

I'll never get over Orton's slide at Oakland. That alone push's him down the list.

He was such a coward.  He sucked pretty much except against the Jets.  One of the worst Bills ever.  Total  kitty cat.

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m always amazed at how fondly people remember Bledsoe. He SUCKED!! After his first 8 games in a Bills uniform he was 18-22 with a talented team. He averaged less than 200 yards a game, was a statue and turned it over as often as he scored TDs. He is the most over-appreciated player in Bills history.

Couldn’t agree more regarding Bledsoe, except I think he’s #2 on the overappreciated list behind the legendary midgeee Doug Flukie

3 hours ago, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said:

I'll never get over Orton's slide at Oakland. That alone push's him down the list.

Playoffs on the line, he made maybe the worst play I’ve ever seen.  

[PittsforDave]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

He's not even the best of 2018.  Barkley is better.

Agreed. 

[downunderbill]

7 hours ago, row_33 said:

Tyrod got the Bills to the playoffs

 

It was more Steven Hauschka.

[1billsfan]

It’s silly to rank a rookie who’s had four starts with those seasoned veteran NFL qbs as average as they were. With that being said, I have no doubt Josh Allen will exponentially rank above all of them once Beane brings in a good OC, and adds some upgraded talent to the WR and OL positions.

 

I believe Allen has the physical talent and mental make up to eventually turn this franchise around. He just needs time and a few more pieces added on offense. Jared Goff needed those two things and look where he and the Rams are at now.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

It's a forgone  conclusion so ... 

[Real McClappy]

1 hour ago, downunderbill said:

It was more Steven Hauschka.

Haush $ and our D got us into to the playoffs with some love from Andy.

[GreggTX]

Josh is not good at all right now. Maybe we can consider this question in a year or 2.

[Paulus]

Doesn't Brian Morman have the highest QBR for the Bills this century?

[njbuff]

Can the kid learn to play in the NFL before we anoint him anything?

 

He got to sit back the last few games and learn it from a different level.

 

Let's see what the last 6 games bring.

Edited November 23, 2018 by njbuff

[BarleyNY]

What a depressing list to have to argue about. Let’s hope we have an obvious #1 soon. 

[The Bills Blog]

On 11/22/2018 at 10:46 AM, Strethor said:

Andy Dalton did 

 

without Andy Dalton we would be going on almost 20-year  playoff drought with no end in sight

if we are talking about Bills QBs this is how i see it

 

1.) Fitz

2.) Bledsoe

3.) Orton

4.) Tyrod/Flutie

 

 

Oh my god. It wasn't just the last game of the year that got us to the playoffs. It was every other win during the season too.

[Domdab99]

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this is like ranking the best episodes of the new Hawaii Five-O. I mean, who cares? 

[BigDingus]

On 11/22/2018 at 8:23 AM, EmotionallyUnstable said:

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/11/02cf5c5471d94/every-21st-century-buffalo-bil.html#incart_river_mobile_index

 

A well written piece but I disagree with gifting Allen number one status. 

 

Man, looking at their comments for the other QB's they consider failures and their rationale behind them, it makes me laugh to think they'd put Allen up at #1 with what he's done.
 

Alex Van Pelt: "In eight starts, Van Pelt threw for 2,056 yards, 12 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. He was given only half a season and was never able to take command of the position." Well that's what happens when you're only given 8 starts...If Allen only gets 8 starts, he'll likely finish with worse numbers than that.

Holcomb: "His play wasn't spectacular, but he was average. He completed 67.4 percent of his passes to go along with 1,509 yards, 10 touchdowns and eight interceptions."  So, better than Allen?

 

EJ Manuel: "Manuel posted a 6-11 record and compiled 3,502 yards, 19 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. His erratic throws and 58.2 completion percentage were enough for the Bills to decline his option in 2016."  So, hopefully the Bills appreciate Allen's 2 TD's to 5 INT's, erratic throws and 54.0 completion percentage more than EJ's? 

 

JP Losman: "Although he provided youth at the quarterback position for the Bills, he turned the ball over way too much and never adjusted to life as an NFL quarterback."   I guess we've decided Allen has adjusted to life as an NFL QB already? Otherwise, the rest applies to him as well.

 

Kyle Orton: "Kyle Orton tossed 18 touchdowns, 10 interceptions and had 3,018 yards. He may not have had the greatest of stats as a Bills quarterback..."  Wait, if those stats "aren't great," by your standards,  how does anything we've seen from Allen look even semi-decent?  

 

 

And if we just go off their stats alone, nearly all of them have better numbers (both per game, and overall) yet got ranked lower? Some of these guys didn't even get a full season, others got yanked back & forth any time they did something wrong, and many were the "great arm" or "raw talent" type guys like Allen, but they get the benefit of the doubt for long. Even if Allen sucks these next few games, we gotta keep him.

[Albany,n.y.]

On 11/22/2018 at 2:06 PM, vorpma said:

So did Flutie, sorry, he is number one since Kelly. Orton will always be remembered for his feet first slide after scrambling short of a first down showing his heart was not into getting to the playoffs in a critical end of year game - possibly the Raiders! Tyrod number two, he did get us into the playoffs; Allen has a chance to bump into number if he wins. The rest - who cares! 

The 21st century started on 1/1/2001.  Flutie NEVER played for the Bills in the 21st century.  He is disqualified from participation in a poll of 21st century Bills QBs.  The thread headline doesn't say since Jim Kelly.  Whoever wrote the article needs to stick to data only post 1/1/01.  

 

I'm one of the biggest Allen supporters around & even I think ranking Allen anywhere near the top 5 is ridiculous.  

Edited November 24, 2018 by Albany,n.y.

[vorpma]

6 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The 21st century started on 1/1/2001.  Flutie NEVER played for the Bills in the 21st century.  He is disqualified from participation in a poll of 21st century Bills QBs.  The thread headline doesn't say since Jim Kelly.  Whoever wrote the article needs to stick to data only post 1/1/01.  

 

I'm one of the biggest Allen supporters around & even I think ranking Allen anywhere near the top 5 is ridiculous.  

Good point, I stand corrected!

[fansince88]

On 11/22/2018 at 12:22 PM, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Who’s to say?   Allen’s only played 5 1/4 games!!  

 

Statistically speaking, Matt Barkley is probably the Bills’ best QB in the 21st century ?

Never lost a game as a Bill.

[Thurman#1]

On 11/22/2018 at 11:23 PM, EmotionallyUnstable said:

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/11/02cf5c5471d94/every-21st-century-buffalo-bil.html#incart_river_mobile_index

 

A well written piece but I disagree with gifting Allen number one status. 

 

 

Yeah, putting him above Orton, Fitz, Flutie, Bledsoe and Tyrod, and really Rob Johnson, VanPelt and Trent for that matter, is based on pure hope.

 

He's got a shot at being really good, but he hasn't been, and any rating that doesn't reflect that begs the question of what they're actually rating.

 

6 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The 21st century started on 1/1/2001.  Flutie NEVER played for the Bills in the 21st century.  He is disqualified from participation in a poll of 21st century Bills QBs.  The thread headline doesn't say since Jim Kelly.  Whoever wrote the article needs to stick to data only post 1/1/01.  

 

 

Hah!!! Good point. You got me smiling here, and that's hard to do when talking about 21st century Bills QBs.

Edited November 24, 2018 by Thurman#1

[uticaclub]

On 11/22/2018 at 10:39 AM, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said:

I'll never get over Orton's slide at Oakland. That alone push's him down the list.

Didn't we give up a 3rd & 30 in that game? 

[Mike in Horseheads]

Just now, uticaclub said:

Didn't we give up a 3rd & 30 in that game? 

We give up a 3rd and 30 in every game ....grrrr

[MDH]

On 11/22/2018 at 11:01 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m always amazed at how fondly people remember Bledsoe. He SUCKED!! After his first 8 games in a Bills uniform he was 18-22 with a talented team. He averaged less than 200 yards a game, was a statue and turned it over as often as he scored TDs. He is the most over-appreciated player in Bills history.

 

Very true, but he was still better than Allen to this point. But then again a real argument could be made that EJ was better than Allen to this point.

 

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[mozillameister]

That's a pretty low bar to reach anyway...

[billsfan1959]

21 hours ago, The Bills Blog said:

Oh my god. It wasn't just the last game of the year that got us to the playoffs. It was every other win during the season too.

Which were, for the most part, in spite of Taylor. I think he is the best QB they have had this century; however, he wasn't good last year.

On ‎11‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 1:39 PM, Degenerate Mike in HHDS said:

I'll never get over Orton's slide at Oakland. That alone push's him down the list.

That alone should make him ineligible for the list. No heart.

Edited November 24, 2018 by billsfan1959

[SoTier]

This is the stupidest article that I've read in a long time.  It's on a par with the tabloid of pieces on celeb X dying of cancer and celeb Y being dumped by his/her spouse/significant other/"fiance" du jour.  If you are going to rank something, you have to have some reasonable parameters and honest criteria.  That the author included QBs with a single start in his rankings along with QBs who started multiple games over multiple seasons tells you that the author is clueless about his topic.

 

PS - there is absolutely no way that a rookie who has played in only a handful of games can be ranked as "the greatest" anything, success or bust. 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2018 by SoTier

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 11/22/2018 at 11:03 AM, CincyBillsFan said:

...in Heaven in my lounge chair drinking a Molson Golden while looking down and watching my beloved Bills play.  On 2nd thought that might be the definition of HELL!   

You're in Purgatory if the brew is a Golden.  In Heaven, it's a Molson Stock.  Hell is a Labatt's 50.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

19 minutes ago, SoTier said:

This is the stupidest article that I've read in a long time.  It's on a par with the tabloid of pieces on celeb X dying of cancer and celeb Y being dumped by his/her spouse/significant other/"fiance" du jour.  If you are going to rank something, you have to have some reasonable parameters and honest criteria.  That the author included QBs with a single start in his rankings along with QBs who started multiple games over multiple seasons tells you that the author is clueless about his topic.

 

PS - there is absolutely no way that a rookie who has played in only a handful of games can be ranked as "the greatest" anything, success or bust. 

 

 

But it must be true!  I read it on the internet!  ?

[berg1029]

Even Josh Allen doesn't agree with this list:  

 

The only list Allen should be ranked #1 on (at this point) is QBs with the strongest arm.  Dude can sling it, just not always in the right direction