SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Watch: Jon Gruden, Derek Carr Have Heated Sideline Exchange in Raiders' Dramatic Win https://www.yahoo.com/sports/watch-jon-gruden-derek-carr-004057396.html Carr wasn't all that pleased and walked off in a like WTF way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Gruden will pick a QB in round one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 The bigger contract will always win. Gruden wins! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Carr for Allen straight up??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Carr for Allen straight up??? God, no. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Carr for Allen straight up??? Not sure if you've seen Carr play in recent time. Why would we want to be saddled with 25 MM per year for average QB play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, prissythecat said: Not sure if you've seen Carr play in recent time. Why would we want to be saddled with 25 MM per year for average QB play. Carr has been terrible. I was being more tongue and cheek with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Carr has been terrible. I was being more tongue and cheek with it. stick to your day job..... comedy aint your thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I have never seen a QB burn so many time outs because he can’t get the play off in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: stick to your day job..... comedy aint your thing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Not sure if you've seen Carr play in recent time. Why would we want to be saddled with 25 MM per year for average QB play. Average QB play sounds fun. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 gruden is probably saying he ruined the tank. he's getting traded this off season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Edited November 19, 2018 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Honestly it’s really hard not to blame Gruden for Carr’s play. Carr used to be a good QB, struggled last year on a bad team rebounding from injury, and then now is the victim of the biggest dunce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Gruden is such a dweeb. That visor still, man??? He's like the Guy Fieri of football coaches, I really can't stand him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said: I have never seen a QB burn so many time outs because he can’t get the play off in time. That can also be on the coaching staff not getting the calls in fast enough as well. My bigger issue is he seems like his older brother now and she’ll shocked after getting hit so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Carr is also like "dude I'm throwing to the corpse of Brandon LaFell and some guy named Marcell Ateman because you gutted my receiving corps" Edited November 19, 2018 by Nelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Carr for Allen straight up??? No freaking way. Absurd. Carr sucks and is paid a gazillion dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) Did not look that heated. I’ve seen Brady be more heated. Gruden did not look that mad. Edited November 19, 2018 by mead107 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 58 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Gruden will pick a QB in round one. ...JUST one??......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 59 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: The bigger contract will always win. Gruden wins! Carr has the bigger contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Carr has the bigger contract. Technically true, but not in terms of guaranteed money I believe. Gruden has a guaranteed 100 Mil coming his way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Gruden hates rookie QBs. He'll find some veteran but he'll get rid of Carr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Carr for Allen straight up??? Ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I just watched it and honestly this was not a big deal as the media is making it out to be...this happens all the time on the sidelines...UGh! This is click bait. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 For those who keep commenting on Carr for Allen....I wasn't being serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 48 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Honestly it’s really hard not to blame Gruden for Carr’s play. Carr used to be a good QB, struggled last year on a bad team rebounding from injury, and then now is the victim of the biggest dunce. To be fair, Carr had a pretty tight window of good play. For his first year and a half, or so his stats were actually relatively close to EJ starting his career (haven’t discussed this in awhile so I don’t remember the exact comp period) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Technically true, but not in terms of guaranteed money I believe. Gruden has a guaranteed 100 Mil coming his way ...over 10 years. Carr has $125M over 5 years. So assuming that a team is planning on keeping their franchise QB for 5 years it is significantly more. Only the Raiders would handle this situation like they have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: No freaking way. Absurd. Carr sucks and is paid a gazillion dollars. Carr does not suck. He's not elite, but his 2015 and 2016 seasons were both above average (combined, ~8,000 yards, 60 TDs/19 INTs, and 11 4th quarter comebacks/game winning drives). This season, he's doing as about best as can be expected given the terrible personnel situation/clown show in Oakland. He's on pace for over 4200 yards and a 94 rating. Key stat - in his best season (2016), he had the lowest sack rate in the league. 10 minutes ago, NoSaint said: To be fair, Carr had a pretty tight window of good play. For his first year and a half, or so his stats were actually relatively close to EJ starting his career (haven’t discussed this in awhile so I don’t remember the exact comp period) Actually, it was really just his first half season. He played pretty well, relatively speaking, in the second half of his rookie season. 23 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: For those who keep commenting on Carr for Allen....I wasn't being serious. There's a better than even chance that Carr will be better than Allen ever will be. We're betting on the upside potential of Allen, which I understand and support, but Carr has actually had genuinely good seasons. I also expect him to land somewhere at some point that is a sane situation, and I won't be surprised if he turns into another Carson Palmer (great first couple of seasons followed by an early-mid career lull due entirely to organizational chaos followed again by near elite play). Edited November 19, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: ...over 10 years. Carr has $125M over 5 years. So assuming that a team is planning on keeping their franchise QB for 5 years it is significantly more. Only the Raiders would handle this situation like they have been. Hmm I wouldn’t be so sure they keep him for all 5 years. I could definitely see them drafting a QB next year. Carr was not Grudens guy when the contract was signed. Seem to have a pretty rocky relationship as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...JUST one??......... Gruden thinks every QB is a greatest of all time and every checkdown was a catch of the century 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Hmm I wouldn’t be so sure they keep him for all 5 years. I could definitely see them drafting a QB next year. Carr was not Grudens guy when the contract was signed. Seem to have a pretty rocky relationship as well Oh I agree. All that I am saying is that what other franchise signs a QB to that type of deal to move on a year later? The Carr contract and the Gruden contract are what prevented them from signing Mack. The guaranteed money goes into an annuity upon signing the deal and Mark Davis was too cash poor to retain Mack. He made a stupid decision to give an average QB that kind of money and an even stupider decision to do the sameness with Gruden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh I agree. All that I am saying is that what other franchise signs a QB to that type of deal to move on a year later? The Carr contract and the Gruden contract are what prevented them from signing Mack. The guaranteed money goes into an annuity upon signing the deal and Mark Davis was too cash poor to retain Mack. He made a stupid decision to give an average QB that kind of money and an even stupider decision to do the sameness with Gruden. Well said. Oh well not my money! Must be nice to give away 200 million to watch your potential up and coming team get dismantled into smithereens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I haven’t seen Josh Allen cry in a game yet. And his elbow was rearranged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Honestly it’s really hard not to blame Gruden for Carr’s play. Carr used to be a good QB, struggled last year on a bad team rebounding from injury, and then now is the victim of the biggest dunce. Not last year.... He's a flash in the pan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: much better!!! LOL Edited November 19, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 From what I could tell it looked like Gruden told Carr he had a nice butt, but that his rib pads made him look fat. Carr walked off angry and heartbroken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Watch: Jon Gruden, Derek Carr Have Heated Sideline Exchange in Raiders' Dramatic Win https://www.yahoo.com/sports/watch-jon-gruden-derek-carr-004057396.html Carr wasn't all that pleased and walked off in a like WTF way. Eh , just mad about the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, mead107 said: Did not look that heated. I’ve seen Brady be more heated. Gruden did not look that mad. Thats headlines for you... Animated would have been much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 47 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: Gruden hates rookie QBs. He'll find some veteran but he'll get rid of Carr. AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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