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2 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Zay Jones was the 5th highest graded player in the league on Sunday.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000987958/PFF-90-Club-Highest-graded-players-Week-10

 

Bills OL given best performance marks as well.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000988090/Ford-Offensive-Lines-of-the-Week-nominees-Week-10

 

Good to see them come alive.  The speed element from Foster and McKenzie, along with Teller at LG, and Barkley at QB made a difference.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I still think it takes a WR 2 or 3 years to get good and hopefully while developing he is building a rapport with his QB.

 

Depends on the player, the system, and the supporting cast.  See Calvin Ridley or JuJu Smith-Schuster as examples. 

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Oh dear, he played one decent but not great game.  Until now he has been a solid bust.  99% of the folks on this board did not want him cut and 99% thought it was too soon to declare his career a bust.  Some of us listed him as a surprise cut and with the off-season craziness that was plausible even though unlikely thus the word surprising.  

Now let's hope he continues to play well.  He doesn't and will never have elite speed  or even quickness. But he has more than adequate size and if his route running is good and his hands get better the can be a solid #2.  

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3 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Oh dear, he played one decent but not great game.  Until now he has been a solid bust.  99% of the folks on this board did not want him cut and 99% thought it was too soon to declare his career a bust.  Some of us listed him as a surprise cut and with the off-season craziness that was plausible even though unlikely thus the word surprising.  

Now let's hope he continues to play well.  He doesn't and will never have elite speed  or even quickness. But he has more than adequate size and if his route running is good and his hands get better the can be a solid #2.  

It's rather tough playing decent games when you have no one to get the ball to you with any consistency and you're playing hurt as well. 

23 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Depends on the player, the system, and the supporting cast.  See Calvin Ridley or JuJu Smith-Schuster as examples. 

Good examples.

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6 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Zay Jones was the 5th highest graded player in the league on Sunday.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000987958/PFF-90-Club-Highest-graded-players-Week-10

 

Bills OL given best performance marks as well.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000988090/Ford-Offensive-Lines-of-the-Week-nominees-Week-10

 

Dabol is Satan !!!!

 

 

5 hours ago, BBills88 said:

Microwave society!

 

got that right !!

 

 

5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Good to see them come alive.  The speed element from Foster and McKenzie, along with Teller at LG, and Barkley at QB made a difference.

 

 

 

Was McKenzie on the practice squad?

 

 

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8 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Oh dear, he played one decent but not great game.  Until now he has been a solid bust.  99% of the folks on this board did not want him cut and 99% thought it was too soon to declare his career a bust.  Some of us listed him as a surprise cut and with the off-season craziness that was plausible even though unlikely thus the word surprising.  

Now let's hope he continues to play well.  He doesn't and will never have elite speed  or even quickness. But he has more than adequate size and if his route running is good and his hands get better the can be a solid #2.  

 

To me it's hard to say giving the QB and OL situations.  Yes he had some games where he had crucial drops as a rookie.  Outside of that however, we really couldn't grade his rookie season because of the QB play.  He was also playing through an injury the entire time.  This season I'd argue the same thing, it's tough to gauge WR play when the QB play is not where it needs to be.  Well except for when you do the opposite of what you are paid to do, ie, see Kelvin Benjamin.  His play is easy to grade.

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Jerry Rice was ok first year, broke out second (getting near 1,000 yards). 

 

Cris Carter had his breakout in season five. 

 

Tim Brown was year six. 

 

Andre Reed was year four. 

 

Those are are the top receivers in the NFL Hall of Fame. You can keep going down the list and it’s generally the same: it takes time for most receivers to adjust their game to the pro level. 

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56 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

It’s amazing how things turn with a win.  Not much more than 10 days ago Zay was a bust and the o-Line was the worst in the NFL.  

Our OL was ranked around 24th overall a week ago by PFF. This could bump them up by 4 or 5 spots. We still need a new C and OT, though. Maybe a G too. As far as Zay goes, I just hope this game marks a turning point for him.

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13 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Zay Jones was the 5th highest graded player in the league on Sunday.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000987958/PFF-90-Club-Highest-graded-players-Week-10

 

Bills OL given best performance marks as well.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000988090/Ford-Offensive-Lines-of-the-Week-nominees-Week-10

Foster was 7th, 0.2 points behind Zay

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One of my favorite Bills WRs - Eric Moulds - had as much production in year

2 hours ago, TroutDog said:

Jerry Rice was ok first year, broke out second (getting near 1,000 yards). 

 

Cris Carter had his breakout in season five. 

 

Tim Brown was year six. 

 

Andre Reed was year four. 

 

Those are are the top receivers in the NFL Hall of Fame. You can keep going down the list and it’s generally the same: it takes time for most receivers to adjust their game to the pro level. 

 

My 2nd favorite Bills WR of all-time, Eric Moulds, had twice as many yards in Year 3  (1368) as Year 1 (279) and Year 2 (294) combined.  


After an unimpressive start to his career, Moulds averaged just about 1,000 yards per season from his 3rd NFL season to his 10th, despite some injuries.  


Some WRs need time to blossom.  Hopefully Zay's best years lie ahead.  

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3 hours ago, TroutDog said:

Jerry Rice was ok first year, broke out second (getting near 1,000 yards). 

 

Cris Carter had his breakout in season five. 

 

Tim Brown was year six. 

 

Andre Reed was year four. 

 

Those are are the top receivers in the NFL Hall of Fame. You can keep going down the list and it’s generally the same: it takes time for most receivers to adjust their game to the pro level. 

My favorite example of this was the duo on the 1996 Jags (although still angry they beat us in the playoffs that year). Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith were both fifth year receivers with zero 1000 yard seasons between them (in fact, only McCardell had a season with more than 300 yards while Smith had barely made it to the field), who would go on to notch 14 1k yard seasons. 

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On 11/13/2018 at 10:31 PM, Dadonkadonk said:

Oh dear, he played one decent but not great game.  Until now he has been a solid bust.  99% of the folks on this board did not want him cut and 99% thought it was too soon to declare his career a bust.  Some of us listed him as a surprise cut and with the off-season craziness that was plausible even though unlikely thus the word surprising.  

Now let's hope he continues to play well.  He doesn't and will never have elite speed  or even quickness. But he has more than adequate size and if his route running is good and his hands get better the can be a solid #2.  

Neither did Jerry Rice but guess what.

Not saying hes Jerry b but he doesnt need elite speed to be good.  A lot of people said Woods couldnt be a #2  guess what It looks an awful lot like they were correct.  Cant be a 2 when youre a 1.

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