SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, Augie said: Is this what BBMB was like??? Shocking that that died. It’s not the reason it died. The Bills cut a lot of talent. Would I call it a tank? No because I just don’t like to think it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Agreed. I would bet any amount of money that prior to this year they thought they'd improve off their 9-7 finish a year ago. They fired the OC because they wanted to get better on O. They game Lotuleilei a boat load of money because they wanted to shore up the run D. They traded up for Edmunds because they wanted to shore up and upgrade the LB position. Nothing about their offseason suggested they were tanking. I suppose it can be debated how you define tanking, but it was obvious when virtually all available resources were spent to build the defense and draft a QB, while virtually nothing was spent on the rest of the offense, that while they were hoping for the best, they were not really planning to win this year. Call it what you will. The hysteria around here is comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 This season is an utter disaster. There can be no possible way Beane, Mcd, Daboll, Pegula or anyone associated with the Bills thought it would be this bad. Its been an epic failure all around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I recall you being pretty positive, and at times insultingly so.... actually clicking in your history just found you predicting 10-6 and an improvement from last year going into camp which is a stark difference from this Unless you are including yourself in that group Go back and look again I am always positive but said several times I didn’t know what this team was going to look like 3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: This season is an utter disaster. There can be no possible way Beane, Mcd, Daboll, Pegula or anyone associated with the Bills thought it would be this bad. Its been an epic failure all around You don’t draft high by being good or even mediocre which is actually a big part of the bills problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 minute ago, FLFan said: I suppose it can be debated how you define tanking, but it was obvious when virtually all available resources were spent to build the defense and draft a QB, while virtually nothing was spent on the rest of the offense, that while they were hoping for the best, they were not really planning to win this year. Call it what you will. The hysteria around here is comical. I disagree. They traded for Benjamin and traded up to draft Zay Jones. I think they thought those guys would actually be good receivers considering this regime hand picked them. They signed Kerley, traded for Coleman, and brought in a bunch of young guys to camp hoping they'd fill out the depth chart. Unfortunately not a single one of those guys was good enough to cut it. Kerley was cut, Coleman was waived, and none of the young guys have done anything. The offense is bad because the players they've brought in are not as good as the players they insisted they had to replace. They got rid of the guys they didn't want, and replaced them with worse players. I don't think that was intentional. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient After Khalil Mack was traded, it was reported that one team said they wanted Mack but couldn't let go two first-round picks considering this year's would be a Top 10 pick. Is there any question at all that that team/GM was Buffalo/Beane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 34 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient agreed that this is the process. the disturbingly, excruciatingly painful, and at times shamefully embarrassing...process. i was at the game today. the stadium was overrun with chicago fans. Bills fans were all some form of dejected. this is your process in all its glory. hopefully this is the bottom, and next year's portion of the process looks a hell of a lot better. but god bless those poor bastards that have paid good, hard earned money to watch that absolute dumpster fire of an offensive football team in the cold, wet, and wind to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Hooray for having a #3 reciever. Demoralizing double digit losses is process fuel ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Go back and look again I am always positive but said several times I didn’t know what this team was going to look like Oh man, now stumbled into thoughts of WRs being better than posters were giving credit for. It’s all good. We all flub takes but maybe chill on the “anyone paying attention knew we wouldn’t be good” angle here? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Blah blah blah. Many teams have tanked before and we are creating a hole new meaning of tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Even if we accept this to be true, I think you'll agree there is no chance McBeane select a QB talent with that Top 5 pick. Which defeats the entire point of acquiring said pick. You think a run stuffing stud D lineman translates to wins and losses in the NFL in 2018? It doesn't. How about a speedy edge rusher? Nope. How about our bold move to trade up for Sammy Watkins? Game changing WR talent! What did that do for us? We need a QB. Instead, we are burning a year and relying on Josh Allen. It's gonna be a while before we are good, and when we are, McBeane won't be associated with this team. We are not taking a dt with that pick my gut tells me we are going to trade that pick to get more picks on the 1st two rounds and josh Allen was 2 and 2 when he went down with the injury but we do need a solid back up on this roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) This offense is disgusting. It's much easier to cope with that reality by convincing yourself they are doing it on purpose. If it was true, then I have zero faith they will ever build a championship contender. Of course, they aren't doing this on purpose. They are just that bad. Edited November 5, 2018 by TheElectricCompany 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 How many quality free agents are going to want to come to this sh*tshow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I disagree. They traded for Benjamin and traded up to draft Zay Jones. I think they thought those guys would actually be good receivers considering this regime hand picked them. They signed Kerley, traded for Coleman, and brought in a bunch of young guys to camp hoping they'd fill out the depth chart. Unfortunately not a single one of those guys was good enough to cut it. Kerley was cut, Coleman was waived, and none of the young guys have done anything. The offense is bad because the players they've brought in are not as good as the players they insisted they had to replace. They got rid of the guys they didn't want, and replaced them with worse players. I don't think that was intentional. Unfortunately I do worry about this going into a big offseason and would love bringing in offensive minded staff if dedicating a top 5 pickand bulk offree agency to OL and WR and maybe a young back and probably a TE to support our project at QB. If great offensive front office talent that is willing to keep roughly the defensive scheme in place is available- would be a possible huge opportunity ala the rams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Oh man, now stumbled into thoughts of WRs being better than posters were giving credit for. It’s all good. We all flub takes but maybe chill on the “anyone paying attention knew we wouldn’t be good” angle here? The take on the wr was just sheer optimism they are in fact terrible i follow things like not being aggressive improving the team and the oc not getting fired those to me are more tell tale of what is happening here 2 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: How many quality free agents are going to want to come to this sh*tshow? That is the whole point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 45 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient No matter what happens we can count on your excuses and defense of this team's leadership. You're an unabashed Bills apologist. The plan was always to field a historically bad offense? The plan was to get blown out before the half? The plan all along was to pick top 5 and fill all our holes in free agency WITHOUT overspending? These plans, if true (hint: they were never the plan), are terrible. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PittsforDave Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) OP. Just follow the process. Right. Lol. Keep pulling this excuse out. Fact is, they were anticipating improving in all areas this year, including our record. This year is a huge disappointment in all aspects and they have jumped the shark on any plan they had this year. Your theory is flat out wrong and here is proof. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25156141/buffalo-bills-gm-says-rb-lesean-mccoy-definitely-team-2019-plans Some highlight quotes: “...teams that are not doing as well as they hoped” ”we’re trying to win here, not only now but in the future” Yes, This is the truth. This is not code talk or a smokescreen. Edited November 5, 2018 by PittsforDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 John you said 10-6. Now you’re saying they are losing on purpose. Remember sticking your finger in everyone’s eye when they questioned the Star signing and WR group?Enlighten us all, how do we find the “they were tanking all along light” this is painful. Save us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: How many quality free agents are going to want to come to this sh*tshow? I think this is valid. McD is becoming a joke by putting NP out there. Why would any players want to play for him? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 25 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: After Khalil Mack was traded, it was reported that one team said they wanted Mack but couldn't let go two first-round picks considering this year's would be a Top 10 pick. Is there any question at all that that team/GM was Buffalo/Beane? Just great! Hold the other team to 10 points and do not score any. That is the mentality of a this regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, Ray Finkel said: Just great! Hold the other team to 10 points and do not score any. That is the mentality of a this regime. Bingo enjoy the ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said: Just great! Hold the other team to 10 points and do not score any. That is the mentality of a this regime. It's a bold strategy, let's see if it works out for them. LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I thought at the beginning of the season the plan was to let Josh sit this season and develop, have Peterman lead a mediocre season and then next year bring in offensive talent and start with Allen. It turns out Peterman is a disaster and as a result of the offensive negligence our team is a joke. Wait and see, wait and see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I expect the Bills to acquire picks by trading down in next years draft. I also expect them to handle next offseason similar to the way the bears handled this past offseason. Except we won't be acquiring a new HC or Coordinators. Except for McCoy, Jones, Allen and Dawkins expect a HUGE and well deserved turnover on offense. Peterman will probably go to the practice squad once either Allen or Anderson return this season. I also would not be surprised if Anderson was placed on IR if he doesn't clear protocol soon. I hope that Allen returns to the field soon, clearly he is missed on gameday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, Commonsense said: John you said 10-6. Now you’re saying they are losing on purpose. Remember sticking your finger in everyone’s eye when they questioned the Star signing and WR group?Enlighten us all, how do we find the “they were tanking all along light” this is painful. Save us. Embarrassing incorrect super homer takes are kinda his thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Just now, Ray Finkel said: Just great! Hold the other team to 10 points and do not score any. That is the mentality of a this regime. I don't think that's their intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Couple questions: 1) Has tanking ever worked in the NFL ? 2) Has a team ever tanked the year AFTER drafting their "franchise QB" ? 3) If we're tanking, why did we keep our aging veterans (Mccoy + Hughes) instead of trading them for picks ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Embarrassing incorrect super homer takes are kinda his thing Bleh. We all make mistakes, homers and the more negative crew. Most folks are accountable for what they say. It is a little bit silly to go from 10-6 to oh ***** never mind they aren’t even trying to win right now. At one point today the camera took a close up of the Bills oline right after the face mask on a Chicago. It gave the Bills a first down, the lineman looked like he was disappointed with the call because he wanted to be off the field. I’m all about culture and having guys that want to win and not just collect a check but this culture up at OBD is in danger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: I disagree but that is ok not every position needs to be replaced to turn the offense around Yea, not every position. Just the OL and WR group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) You know to constantly defend the moves this team makes year in and year out really takes an amazing lack of football knowledge. Any plan that involves your team becoming the laughing stock of the league is a pretty messed up plan. I always found the kool-aid drinkers don't have a clue on what makes a team good, if there is anybody not to listen to, it's them. Edited November 5, 2018 by billsfan714 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 McBeane could declare Bills prima nocta during tomorrow's presser and half of you would say "look its a shame that Beane kicked my dog and drank all my beer after he f@#$ed my wife, but they're following plan." I'm seriously thinking about starting a cult after seeing how easy it is to get people to buy into plans and Processes. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 57 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: How many quality free agents are going to want to come to this sh*tshow? Zero point zero 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I don't think that's their intention. That is what happens when you neglect the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Then refund the season ticket folks who are getting boned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Yes McDarnit sucks, but what sucks just as bad is to keep cycling through sucky coaches so I say this time around stick with ONE sucky coach for awhile, 5-10 years, and see where it takes us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I don’t care that they’re losing and hope they lose out and get a high pick. They got the playoff drought monkey off their back last season and they had a ton of dead cap this year. I know what the defense can do and they will be able to keep it intact next year if not add some pieces to it. What I want to see the rest of the season is for the young guys on offense, especially Allen, play and see what they’ve got. Then in the off-season see them concentrate on offense. Then we’ll see where they truly are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Process the trust y'all get a grip and be patient. We all knew we'd be blown out at LEAST 10 times in 2018 after we lost to the Jags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, row_33 said: No, the Bills and most fans thought this would be a very good team this season I'm pretty sure it was a clear rebuild. Two huge offensive line pieces retired and another traded. A new QB, MLB and other significant roles for 1st and second year players...that has development year written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions be patient I don't think this is true at all, we already have our franchise QB, you maybe lose out for that QB but this is a top heavy defensive draft and were purposely sucking for some pass rusher? That makes zero sense to me. What has happened is this team tried to fix the defense this offseason and will try and fix the offense this coming offseason and they didn't have nowhere near the cap space/draft capital to do it all. I'm thinking they tried hard to get one of the top veteran QB's and all of them turned down the Bills with no real viable #1 WR so we were forced to sign Mccaron and he wasn't very good (I know the Alabama crowd or people who think his wife is hot will disagree but this is my take). The OL would have also looked much better with Dawkins LT, Incognito LG, Wood C, Miller RG, Mills RT. These are just all my takes on what I think went wrong here but to me this isn't a tank, if it were we would have traded all the veteran players for draft picks again imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydboy12 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Then why not trade Shady, Hughes, Benjamin for picks if the tank is on? That's the frustrating part. Team sucks and aren't doing anything for the future to reap the benefits of their suckitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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