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Yes McDarnit sucks, but what sucks just as bad is to keep cycling through sucky coaches so I say this time around stick with ONE sucky coach for awhile, 5-10 years, and see where it takes us. 

 

 

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 I don’t care that they’re losing and hope they lose out and get a high pick. They got the playoff drought monkey off their back last season and they had a ton of dead cap this year. I know what the defense can do and they will be able to keep it intact next year if not add some pieces to it. What I want to see the rest of the season is for the young guys on offense, especially Allen, play and see what they’ve got. Then in the off-season see them concentrate on offense.  Then we’ll see where they truly are. 

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1 hour ago, row_33 said:

No, the Bills and most fans thought this would be a very good team this season

 

 

I'm pretty sure it was a clear rebuild.  Two huge offensive line pieces retired and another traded.  A new QB, MLB and other significant roles for 1st and second year players...that has development year written all over it.

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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think this is true at all, we already have our franchise QB, you maybe lose out for that QB but this is a top heavy defensive draft and were purposely sucking for some pass rusher? That makes zero sense to me. What has happened is this team tried to fix the defense this offseason and will try and fix the offense this coming offseason and they didn't have nowhere near the cap space/draft capital to do it all. I'm thinking they tried hard to get one of the top veteran QB's and all of them turned down the Bills with no real viable #1 WR so we were forced to sign Mccaron and he wasn't very good (I know the Alabama crowd or people who think his wife is hot will disagree but this is my take). The OL would have also looked much better with Dawkins LT, Incognito LG, Wood C, Miller RG, Mills RT. These are just all my takes on what I think went wrong here  but to me this isn't a tank, if it were we would have traded all the veteran players for draft picks again imo.

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Then why not trade Shady, Hughes, Benjamin for picks if the tank is on?  That's the frustrating part. Team sucks and aren't doing anything for the future to reap the benefits of their suckitude. 

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Just now, Ray Finkel said:

That is what happens when you neglect the offense.

 

Right. Which was expected.

 

Not sure where people are having difficulty following.

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Honestly this isn't a lost season if Josh Allen can get back on the field and make some plays. It'll be even sweeter since he's doing it with these losers on offense

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Just gotta ride this one out and hope they know what they’re doing. 

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7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Right. Which was expected.

 

Not sure where people are having difficulty following.

Not to the extent of having one of the worst offenses in NFL history!

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3 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Right. Ask the Browns how that working out.

It is working out for the Browns now. I'm not sure what you've been watching, or if you've been watching at all, but the Browns are a competitive team now. So far, they appear to have the best pick of 2018 QB class -- a class I think will ultimately be considered a very, very good one. They have tons of young talent and even more cap space, and suddenly they've become an attractive landing spot for a highly regarded coach.

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5 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

the ole positive spin on 💩💩💩

Why tank when you just drafted the franchise QB and the 2019 draft looks to be very deep with defensive talent. What's the point? 

 

The OP has deluded himself into thinking that this was a tank season on purpose. He wants others to believe that this FO planned this season out to be 2-7 after 9 games or finish the season 2-14 / 4-12. He thinks this regime will still be employed after that kind of fail. Yet, these owners fired the guy they loved at 7-8 season before the final game.

 

These men planned nothing of the sort and it was simply a complete screw up in many ways with the thinking that Nathanial Peterman would be a viable starter. That the offensive line would be just fine after losing Eric Wood and Richie Incognito mostly because Groy did okay in replacing Wood for a bit and Richie looked to have lost a step.  They thought that the receiver corps would be okay in getting separation, getting open and catching the ball. 

They also thought that the ex Patriots assistant coach would make a great OC. That a WR coach who had never been a QB coach would make a fine QB coach.

 

It's crystal clear to me that is GM and head coach have no clue what's happening with the offense. It would not surprise me at all to see McD fired at some point during the season along with changes to the offensive coaching staff. Going to be interesting to hear what these owners think of what's been going on with their team. 

 

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5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

 

 

For what it's worth, this topic was brought up by a caller in the WGR-550 post game show, and Schopp and Bulldog entertained it for a while, both dismissing any thought of the team as formally "tanking" as being ridiculous.

 

I.E., there was no planned component of this season being bad in this manner.  In their opinions, of course. 

 

[Cue the haters mentioning that they hate gr-55, the show is unlistenable, and Mike Schopp knows nothing about anything; throw in something about Jerry Sullivan too; and TBN, even though Sullivan no longer work there; why not]

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Right. Which was expected.

 

Not sure where people are having difficulty following.

Unlike you and your brethren they expected competitive games. Too many of you have blind faith when it comes to DEM BILLS. 

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6 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

90 million and a top 5 pick isnt going to turn around this team anytime soon. 

 

Why not?   How do teams get turned around?

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1 minute ago, KD in CA said:

 

Why not?   How do teams get turned around?

Keep the talent they have and add to it. Not try and win with defense and field position. 

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6 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

I'm pretty sure it was a clear rebuild.  Two huge offensive line pieces retired and another traded.  A new QB, MLB and other significant roles for 1st and second year players...that has development year written all over it.

 

That was wrong as well, this is a death spiral 

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8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

I very very much agree that we need to be patient.

 

But we aren't tanking. We just aren't. It's a hockey word, first of all. But if we were doing what is correctly called a complete rebuild, we'd've traded Shady and Tyrod before the 2016 season and probably Hughes, Kyle Williams and Incognito as well. Some of which would've worked out a lot better than what we did. If we'd completely rebuilt, it wouldn't have been that difficult to avoid the playoffs last year and maximize that draft pick in this last year's draft, which is the time when getting a high pick was absolutely necessary to get a QB. They're not trying to lose. McDermott is working as hard as he can, but yeah, they knew it would be tough sledding this year.

 

I wish they had done it. I wish they had rebuilt completely and stripped the team of all older talent before last year. But they didn't and they have brought in a lot of talent, especially on that defense.

 

But yeah, the rebuild isn't a complete one, but it's a serious rebuild. And yeah, this year was always going to suck. And you're exactly right that they made getting the cap problems completely taken care of a major priority this year, as they had promised the Pegulas they would. That prevented bringing in talent and mandated getting rid of a lot of young guys they maybe could otherwise have kept some of.

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5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I very very much agree that we need to be patient.

 

But we aren't tanking. We just aren't. It's a hockey word, first of all. But if we were doing what is correctly called a complete rebuild, we'd've traded Shady and Tyrod before the 2016 season and probably Hughes, Kyle Williams and Incognito as well. Some of which would've worked out a lot better than what we did. If we'd completely rebuilt, it wouldn't have been that difficult to avoid the playoffs last year and maximize that draft pick in this last year's draft, which is the time when getting a high pick was absolutely necessary to get a QB. They're not trying to lose. McDermott is working as hard as he can, but yeah, they knew it would be tough sledding this year.

 

I wish they had done it. I wish they had rebuilt completely and stripped the team of all older talent before last year. But they didn't and they have brought in a lot of talent, especially on that defense.

 

But yeah, the rebuild isn't a complete one, but it's a serious rebuild. And yeah, this year was always going to suck. And you're exactly right that they made getting the cap problems completely taken care of a major priority this year, as they had promised the Pegulas they would. That prevented bringing in talent and mandated getting rid of a lot of young guys they maybe could otherwise have kept some of.

 

And basketball, Spurs tanked to draft Robinson and then Duncan 

 

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Nonsense.

 

If that was McBeane's plan, -why not get it done in season 1 when it would have at least been forgivable?

 

If they planned this out, why drag Anderson off the coach in week 6 to "mentor" Josh Allen all of a sudden? :rolleyes:

 

At best, you can say McBeane underestimated the size of the rebuild they're attempting.... At worst, you can accuse these two of being dangerously out of touch with reality.

 

Personally, I think it's a little of both...

 

 

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7 hours ago, Ray Finkel said:

That is what happens when you neglect the offense.

 

 

So, using the 12th, 53rd and 56th picks on the offense is neglecting it?

 

'Cause those three picks and Cordy Glenn besides were all traded for the pick we used on Josh Allen.

 

We didn't neglect the offense at all. Getting your franchise QB (we hope) is pretty much the opposite of neglect. But apart from that, yeah, they spent most of the rest of their draft and cap resources on the defense.

 

This early in a rebuild, especially a rebuild that starts with cap trouble, you aren't going to be able to fill all the holes. That's just the way it works. People get all pissed that we didn't spend more resources on the offense. If we had, the defense would be a lot worse. Would it really have been that much more satisfying to have a poor offense and a poor defense, both? Not for me. At least I can see good football when the D is on the field.

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5 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

And basketball, Spurs tanked to draft Robinson and then Duncan 

 

 

 

Fair enough. But not football. Coaches and players can't afford to tank here. It can destroy their job prospects more or less completely.

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It's next to impossible to develop and evaluate a QB with the present O and coaching.

 

Would Aaron Rogers have a better record here and still be in one piece?

 

The D is on the right track , but building  a OL takes time and a good coach. 

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10 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

After Khalil Mack was traded, it was reported that one team said they wanted Mack but couldn't let go two first-round picks considering this year's would be a Top 10 pick.

 

Is there any question at all that that team/GM was Buffalo/Beane?

Nope, and thank god they didn’t do that trade.  The next coach is gonna want those picks.

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11 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

the ole positive spin on 💩💩💩

 

That "positive spin on *****" is what causes that cute little twirl at the top! 😉  

 

***** still stinks and WILL be flushed sooner or later.  I'm hoping for SOONER.

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