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11 minutes ago, Augie said:

You're right. People will NOT want to hear that.   😊

I didn't want to read it but I did anyway and now I'm pissed at myself. 

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13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I disagree but that is ok

not every position needs to be replaced to turn the offense around

80 percent of the player on offense need to be overhauled. Let me start- every receiver is a trash pile. Our rb’s are old and Murphy isnt an NFL back- Ivory may have some life left but McCoy is done. The offensive line is just that, offensive. DiMarco, that FB that does something stupid every week flat out sucks. The only QB that should stay is Josh Allen- we need 2 more next year. Our TE’s are all garbage- Clay is old and slow.

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4 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

That is an idiotic take. The Bills are not purposely this bad. They’re this bad because McDumbass’ “process” is just awful. 

 

The idea that theyre tanking in year 2 is so dumb. 

 

Agreed.

 

I would bet any amount of money that prior to this year they thought they'd improve off their 9-7 finish a year ago. 

 

They fired the OC because they wanted to get better on O.

They game Lotuleilei a boat load of money because they wanted to shore up the run D. 

They traded up for Edmunds because they wanted to shore up and upgrade the LB position.

 

Nothing about their offseason suggested they were tanking. 

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13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

 

 

You expressed my feelings exactly.  The over reactions each week I find very comical.  The season is hard to take, but we have to keep our eyes on the future.

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Just now, billsfan_34 said:

80 percent of the player on offense need to be overhauled. Let me start- every receiver is a trash pile. Our rb’s are old and Murphy isnt an NFL back- Ivory may have some life left but McCoy is done. The offensive line is just that, offensive. DiMarco, that FB that does something stupid every week flat out sucks. The only QB that should stay is Josh Allen- we need to more next year. Our TE’s are all garbage- Clay is old and slow.

I don’t believe shady is done the o line I. Front of him is a disaster

 

you turn that into a strength and this whole offense looks different

 

zay is a number 3 guy we need two quality wrs in the offseason this CAN be done

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13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

 

 

You nailed it, but when the pitchforks are out this arguement probably will not go far.  

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I don’t know if there is a discernible difference in bust percentage between say pick 5 and pick 10. Even at QB. Good players can be found at most positions throughout the draft. Anything past the first 3 or 4 rounds becomes a crapshoot to a degree. Thinking the Bills future hinges on a few slots of draft position is far fetched. It has a lot more to do with the competence of those doing the drafting. That’s what many fans are afraid of. 

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Just now, FLFan said:

You nailed it, but when the pitchforks are out this arguement probably will not go far.  

I realize that it’s ok I realize fans are frustrated

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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

It’s as good a plan as any it’s just painful to watch right now

 

and if the team could be fixed by just cap space the bills would be making moves now

 

the higher you draft the less chance to bust

 

If any of this was true, you wouldn't see the same teams drafting in the top 10 pretty much every year. 

 

You can find good players anywhere in the first round. Tanking for a DT or DE or whatever we pick doesn't make any sense.

 

This team thought they'd be better this year. I'd guarantee they thought the offense would be improved over what Taylor allowed them to do last year. 

 

I get that doesn't fit your narrative, but I don't think there's any actual proof to argue that they are tanking. I think they expected to be winning. 

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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t think it is going to take a few years but I agree with the rest

 

They need to do for josh Allen what they did for trbisky and the offense will improve drasically

 

 

Cooper Kupp or Kamara instead of Dawkins would have been nice.  Or St. Cloud instead of Ray Ray.

 

Yeah, McD will find the offensive skill players in the NEXT draft, for sure.

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Just now, John from Riverside said:

I don’t believe shady is done the o line I. Front of him is a disaster

 

you turn that into a strength and this whole offense looks different

 

zay is a number 3 guy we need two quality wrs in the offseason this CAN be done

Shady has lost a step. Zay is marginally a 3- he is weak as hell, no break away speed and cant break a tackle. Every other receiver is not an NFL receiever they are terrible. The TE’s arent either. This team has holes out the ying yang! Bean doesnt know how to identify offensive talent- what a hot Cleveland Steamer we are.

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10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I don’t think it is going to take a few years but I agree with the rest

 

They need to do for josh Allen what they did for trbisky and the offense will improve drasically

I didn’t start out that way I just realized it as time went on

 

i was pretty noncommittal on how well this team would do this year from the start

 

I recall you being pretty positive, and at times insultingly so.... actually clicking in your history just found you predicting 10-6 and an improvement from last year going into camp which is a stark difference from this 

 

15 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Not the fans that were actually paying attn

 

Unless you are including yourself in that group 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

 

 

 

100%

 

 

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18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

 

 

Even if we accept this to be true, I think you'll agree there is no chance McBeane select a QB talent with that Top 5 pick.

 

Which defeats the entire point of acquiring said pick.

 

You think a run stuffing stud D lineman translates to wins and losses in the NFL in 2018?


It doesn't.  How about a speedy edge rusher? Nope. 

 

How about our bold move to trade up for Sammy Watkins?  Game changing WR talent!  What did that do for us?

 

We need a QB.  Instead, we are burning a year and relying on Josh Allen.

 

It's gonna be a while before we are good, and when we are, McBeane won't be associated with this team.

 

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

90 million and a top 5 pick isnt going to turn around this team anytime soon. 

McD and or Beane definitely wont be around to spearhead it

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19 minutes ago, Augie said:

Is this what BBMB was like???

 

Shocking that that died. 

It’s not the reason it died.  

 

The Bills cut a lot of talent.  

 

Would I call it a tank?  

No because I just don’t like to think it.  

 

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3 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Agreed.

 

I would bet any amount of money that prior to this year they thought they'd improve off their 9-7 finish a year ago. 

 

They fired the OC because they wanted to get better on O.

They game Lotuleilei a boat load of money because they wanted to shore up the run D. 

They traded up for Edmunds because they wanted to shore up and upgrade the LB position.

 

Nothing about their offseason suggested they were tanking. 

I suppose it can be debated how you define tanking, but it was obvious when virtually all available resources were spent to build the defense and draft a QB, while virtually nothing was spent on the rest of the offense, that while they were hoping for the best, they were not really planning to win this year.  Call it what you will.  The hysteria around here is comical.  

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This season is an utter disaster. There can be no possible way Beane, Mcd, Daboll, Pegula or anyone associated with the Bills thought it would be this bad.

 

Its been an epic failure all around

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7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

I recall you being pretty positive, and at times insultingly so.... actually clicking in your history just found you predicting 10-6 and an improvement from last year going into camp which is a stark difference from this 

 

 

Unless you are including yourself in that group 

 

 

Go back and look again I am always positive but said several times I didn’t know what this team was going to look like

3 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

This season is an utter disaster. There can be no possible way Beane, Mcd, Daboll, Pegula or anyone associated with the Bills thought it would be this bad.

 

Its been an epic failure all around

You don’t draft high by being good or even mediocre which is actually a big part of the bills problem

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1 minute ago, FLFan said:

I suppose it can be debated how you define tanking, but it was obvious when virtually all available resources were spent to build the defense and draft a QB, while virtually nothing was spent on the rest of the offense, that while they were hoping for the best, they were not really planning to win this year.  Call it what you will.  The hysteria around here is comical.  

 

I disagree.

 

They traded for Benjamin and traded up to draft Zay Jones. I think they thought those guys would actually be good receivers considering this regime hand picked them. 

 

They signed Kerley, traded for Coleman, and brought in a bunch of young guys to camp hoping they'd fill out the depth chart. Unfortunately not a single one of those guys was good enough to cut it. Kerley was cut, Coleman was waived, and none of the young guys have done anything. 

 

The offense is bad because the players they've brought in are not as good as the players they insisted they had to replace. 

 

They got rid of the guys they didn't want, and replaced them with worse players. I don't think that was intentional.

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16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

After Khalil Mack was traded, it was reported that one team said they wanted Mack but couldn't let go two first-round picks considering this year's would be a Top 10 pick.

 

Is there any question at all that that team/GM was Buffalo/Beane?

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34 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The bills are doing exactly what they are trying to do get a top 5 pick in this next draft

 

i don’t like how bad they look on offense either but the fact is they are trying to avoid overpaying for free agents in the offseason to fix this mess

 

you do that by drafting high because less of a chance to screw it up

 

This season is LOST it was always going to be LOST if you can get your mind wrapped around that it will help with your sanity

 

It does not matter if you lose by 1 or 100 a loss is a loss

 

This team is tanking so it can acquire blue chip talent and not have to pay for it they are going to target specific free agents and draft at the big money positions

 

be patient

 

 

 

 

 

agreed that this is the process. the disturbingly, excruciatingly painful, and at times shamefully embarrassing...process. i was at the game today. the stadium was overrun with chicago fans. Bills fans were all some form of dejected. this is your process in all its glory. hopefully this is the bottom, and next year's portion of the process looks a hell of a lot better. but god bless those poor bastards that have paid good, hard earned money to watch that absolute dumpster fire of an offensive football team in the cold, wet, and wind to come.

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Hooray for having a #3 reciever. 

 

Demoralizing double digit losses is process fuel 🤦🏼‍♂️

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6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Go back and look again I am always positive but said several times I didn’t know what this team was going to look like

 

 

Oh man, now stumbled into thoughts of WRs being better than posters were giving credit for. 

 

It’s all good. We all flub takes but maybe chill on the “anyone paying attention knew we wouldn’t be good” angle here?

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Blah blah blah. Many teams have tanked before and we are creating a hole new meaning of tank. 

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