26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) I don't buy this. Edited October 3, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) Oh boy... Yeah, this is not good. It also trumps talent apparently. Edited October 3, 2018 by PeterDude 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 To a certain extent I agree, I kinda felt he proved that last year. With that said they do need SOME talent to go with that culture. And I really hope they still plan on having some strategy and game planning lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Ray Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Could care less what he says. All I care about is what he does. So far its been some good and some bad but it's only year 2. I dont know why some people need to hang onto soundbites and press conferences in order to get up in arms. Whatever. 18 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I don't believe he is saying strategy isn't important, just that a good culture - a WINNING culture - can overcome strategy flaws or personnel differences within a game. Take a look at the Pats*...plug in player X, Y, Z who may not be the most talented and they still roll along because they have had a sustained system and winning culture. That's where McDermott wants the Bills to be, IMO. 19 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 it's a combo of both. i know some people that really don't buy into the culture idea, but i do. i'm not talking the bean/mcdermott culture specifically, but just in general rather. if you have a winning culture, i think a lot of the other points begin to fall in line. i wouldn't say it's more important that strategy, but it's the holy trinity of culture, talent, and strategy. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 It's pretty evident we can't win with the lack of talent on this roster. I'm going t wait and see what he and Beane do this offseason. If they get linemen and wrs, improve the defense and get rid of Peterman in favor of an actual QB at backup them I'm still trusting the process. But the process better start protecting the QB better and catching the ball. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) At least post the whole quote Edited October 3, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan inappropriate language 15 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I read this as... players should be accountable for their play on the field no matter their 'talent' level is deemed. So in 2018 if its 3rd and 1yard on a meaningful play. Linemen suit up, no excuses, do not care that the run game has been struggling... Go block and do your job to get the yard! ...even if this has a high likelyhood of failure, I feel like doing this in 2018 is what will build a winning culture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Philo Beddoe said: I don't believe he is saying strategy isn't important, just that a good culture - a WINNING culture - can overcome strategy flaws or personnel differences within a game. Take a look at the Pats*...plug in player X, Y, Z who may not be the most talented and they still roll along because they have had a sustained system and winning culture. That's where McDermott wants the Bills to be, IMO. So when we get blown out in 30% of games we play in with McDermott, this BS doesn't hold true. The Patriots have Tom !@#$ing Brady, that's the correct answer to your question. Belichick was a .500 coach (just like Rex) before Brady. They had a gang banging murderer on that team. Take that culture point and shove it where the sun don't shine. Hardwork and talent wins every single time, even if your an !@#$. This dumbass philosophy is how you end up with Kevin Benjamin and not AB or OBJ. Edited October 3, 2018 by Elite Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 53 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: At least post the whole quote yeah...the entire quote does put a different light on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 53 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: At least post the whole quote The culture, to me, trumps strategy. That's what I believe in wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Sounds like we are on the cutting edge. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I think what he was saying is a "football culture" breeds players who can execute a strategy. Without a "football culture" which means work hard, study, earn the right to play, etc. every strategy will fail. That was my take from watching the presser. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Well sounds like he knows his team stinks.......but hey if we have culture its all good.....sheeshh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Does Culture trump processes? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 This quote is troublesome. Unit coaches should be teaching, communicating, and making sure things get accomplished. They have to be more than culture change agents. Juan Castillo may be a great "culture" guy but he's a terrible coach managing an underperforming unit and it concerns me that accountability isn't a priority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't buy this. You have to be kidding me Sean! Strategy is the backbone of football- every week is a game of chess- looks like we are playing checkers. Ive lost my faith in this guy now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Given the whole quote - it makes sense. If you have players who don't participate wholeheartedly - strategy and talent don't matter. Teamwork makes the dream work - and that requires you to buy in and participate fully. People who want to live on an island and only show up when they want to just does not work. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOSE IN BACK SEAN Edited October 3, 2018 by BillsEnthusiast 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Peter Drucker would disagree with the hordes of hot takes in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, MTBill said: Given the whole quote - it makes sense. If you have players who don't participate wholeheartedly - strategy and talent don't matter. Teamwork makes the dream work - and that requires you to buy in and participate fully. People who want to live on an island and only show up when they want to just does not work. Even in the greater context of the full quote, I find this troubling: "The culture, to me, trumps strategy. That's what I believe in wholeheartedly." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Yet the Process Trumps all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I never really understood why "choir boy" was synonymous with virtue. I'm sure there's plenty of bad apples who once sang in a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: At least post the whole quote, idiots Funny, because it's just as stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: At least post the whole quote, idiots I was going to mention that part of the quote, but then we wouldn't have a controversial quote to stir the pot and rile up fans now would we?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Even in the greater context of the full quote, I find this troubling: "The culture, to me, trumps strategy. That's what I believe in wholeheartedly." I believe the thing is - if you have a player who is not buying in to the culture - not giving his 100%, it does not matter what strategy you have - it won't work with this player. I agree with that statement. If the comment is that you cannot have strategy - then I completely disagree with his statement. I just believe given the full context - his meaning is that you have to have players who buy in to the philosophy and are actively participating in the strategy. Does that make sense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 (edited) Does there have to be a relationship between culture and strategy? Can't you have both culture and strong/sophisticated strategy? I think the use of the word "trump" in this context is unfortunate and probably not what he meant. Edited October 3, 2018 by jahnyc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Well, Pol Pot certainly would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Well, the greatest coach of all time seems to differ with your assessment there, Sean. May want to take some notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, MTBill said: I believe the thing is - if you have a player who is not buying in to the culture - not giving his 100%, it does not matter what strategy you have - it won't work with this player. I agree with that statement. If the comment is that you cannot have strategy - then I completely disagree with his statement. I just believe given the full context - his meaning is that you have to have players who buy in to the philosophy and are actively participating in the strategy. Does that make sense? Not buying it. Talented players win games in combination with the right strategy in a good culture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 People are focusing on the wrong part of the quote. This is the nugget: Quote it means we have guys who love football and do things the right way for the most part" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 We have a saying at work. It applies to the long run...i.e. over many years, not week to week. That is that Culture eats Strategy for breakfast. In the long run this is true. Strategies change week to week and year to year. A strong (or deficient) culture will be a more defining trait of success or failure in the long run. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greeneblitz Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 First, people and especially the WGR crowd mistake bringing in "choir boys" and getting players with good "football culture", I hear callers calling in and saying Brett Favre had bad character or if a guy has an dwi arrest he wouldn't be brought in because of the culture thing, both are completely false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 3, 2018 Author Share Posted October 3, 2018 Ask the Eagles, Rams, Chiefs, and the hated Patriots about strategy and talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Culture sure as hell does matter a lot. Last year was a big culture shift and it just so happened to be the year we broke the longest playoff drought in sports. Do you think the Patriots don't have a certain culture all the long timers have bought into? Just because culture might trump strategy, that doesn't mean strategy doesn't matter a lot, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 1 minute ago, nucci said: you can't have a winning culture without winning It's a football culture, not a winning culture. Winning is not mentioned in the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Which completely explains how we ended up with Allen over Rosen...this culture and process BS is wearing thin with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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