Wayne Arnold Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) I don’t know if it was Mike Pettine’s scheme/gameplan that rattled him from the very beginning or if someone told him right before kickoff that his dog died. But Allen just seemed out of it all game. Babyface Allen’s day in Wisconsin summed up in one perfect photograph. Add your caption... Edited October 1, 2018 by Wayne Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 It’s a perfect storm right now.. Rookie QB who looks lost, terrible OL and not one good WR 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 i didn't think he looked rattled at all. he made some dumb mistakes, but the entire team was off, not just allen. i'm expecting to see more stinkers like this this season. 9 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Terrible OL and a bunch of no-name WRs? Remember when Chan Gailey had a worse group so he spread the offense, focused on quick passes and started going toe-to-toe with the Patriots through the air? At the very least it was fun to watch. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I thought he stayed poised all game. Never once looked overwhelmed. He made mistakes (as rookies do). He had zero help from his line and the play calling was a !@#$ing joke. He just made his 3rd career start. Against the Packers in Green Bay. Not sure what people are expecting from this kid. 27 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Josh is seeing defenses that he's never seen before. Naturally, he isn't understanding what to do with it. When he goes back and watches the cutups he;ll see how the looks played out. Next time, he'll have at least a better understanding of the possibilities. He's got to see things more than once to learn that there are more than one possibility from each disguise as well. Sooner than later he'll begin to see a few things happen that he's seen before. That's when the development will really begin to take place. Until that time, he'll be completely lost. For Josh right now, it's all just a guessing game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, teef said: i didn't think he looked rattled at all. he made some dumb mistakes, but the entire team was off, not just allen. i'm expecting to see more stinkers like this this season. Bailing out of the pocket early.. A clear sign he’s not trusting or processing what he’s seeing. Clear sign of being rattled 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I thought he stayed poised all game. Never once looked overwhelmed. He made mistakes (as rookies do). He had zero help from his line and the play calling was a !@#$ing joke. He just made his 3rd career start. Against the Packers in Green Bay. Not sure what people are expecting from this kid. exactly. not in the least. he didn't play well, but it looked like he was dealing with the awfulness. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Yeah, he just needs to feel the pressure, read defenses quicker, protect the football and throw with consistent accuracy. Easy as pie! 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Bailing out of the pocket early.. A clear sign he’s not trusting or processing what he’s seeing. Clear sign of being rattled that's a clear sign of being inexperienced. he needs time to learn to see the field. rattled is if he was looking panicked or clueless. again, he didn't play well, but to me he just didn't seemed rattled. Edited October 1, 2018 by teef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 He sucked. There’s no point on sugar coating it. He was awful. The offense was awful. It’s a problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Bailing out of the pocket early.. A clear sign he’s not trusting or processing what he’s seeing. Clear sign of being rattled Watch Peterman's starts and you'll see rattled. You'll see the look of one who's in way over his head. That's not what I see from Allen. Don't confuse mistakes with fear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Bailing out of the pocket early.. A clear sign he’s not trusting or processing what he’s seeing. Clear sign of being rattled Or maybe a clear sign that he has learned to not have faith in the oline holding together. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Gugny said: I thought he stayed poised all game. Never once looked overwhelmed. He made mistakes (as rookies do). He had zero help from his line and the play calling was a !@#$ing joke. He just made his 3rd career start. Against the Packers in Green Bay. Not sure what people are expecting from this kid. Never once looked overwhelmed? Wow. We must have watched different games then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Gugny said: I thought he stayed poised all game. Never once looked overwhelmed. He made mistakes (as rookies do). He had zero help from his line and the play calling was a !@#$ing joke. He just made his 3rd career start. Against the Packers in Green Bay. Not sure what people are expecting from this kid. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: Never once looked overwhelmed? Wow. We must have watched different games then. Way to go pure douche just for the sake of going pure douche. I'm not talking physically overwhelmed by a D line that wasn't being blocked. I'm talking about the moment being too big for him. I'm not seeing that when I watch him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I don't think JP Losman ever looked rattled. Terrible? Yes, but rattled? Not really. Are you kidding me? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I don't think JP Losman ever looked rattled. Terrible? Yes, but rattled? Not really. i don't think jp ever really look rattled either. he look more clueless to me...like there was nothing going on behind those eyes. trent was more the rattled type. Edited October 1, 2018 by teef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Watch Peterman's starts and you'll see rattled. You'll see the look of one who's in way over his head. That's not what I see from Allen. Don't confuse mistakes with fear. He was rattled. He got happy feet pretty early on in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, Gugny said: I thought he stayed poised all game. Never once looked overwhelmed. He made mistakes (as rookies do). He had zero help from his line and the play calling was a !@#$ing joke. He just made his 3rd career start. Against the Packers in Green Bay. Not sure what people are expecting from this kid. Don’t forget the lousy WR’s! It’s hard for a rookie under GOOD conditions. Josh has zippo to work with. I expected a rough start, but how could you judge anyone under these circumstances? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I have absolutely no idea why it seemed every pass play was long developing when Josh was getting blitzed like crazy. I am hesitant to put a lot of fault on the WRs because I feel the play calling was freaking terrible compared to last week. Not saying they are any good...just that the offensive game plan left a lot to be desired. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I need to review all the game film before assessing the Josh Allen "fawn in headlights" analogy. McDermott's pressers after a loss are insulting to fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Simms said it best this past week regarding Josh Allen.......it would be a shame if they dont put some playmakers/personale around this kid and build around him.......if the bills continue to ignore the offensive side of the ball than this kid is going to flame out very quick......which is a damn shame...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Way to go pure douche just for the sake of going pure douche. I'm not talking physically overwhelmed by a D line that wasn't being blocked. I'm talking about the moment being too big for him. I'm not seeing that when I watch him. Yikes. Someone has a case of the Mondays. The kid put 0 points on the board. In 2018. The moment was too big for him. Allen was clueless out there. Had no idea where the blitz was coming from pre-snap. Was slow to recognize it post-snap. Had happy feet and left pockets and/or was overly-tentative when he was given time. He was completely overwhelmed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, JPP said: Simms said it best this past week regarding Josh Allen.......it would be a shame if they dont put some playmakers/personale around this kid and build around him.......if the bills continue to ignore the offensive side of the ball than this kid is going to flame out very quick......which is a damn shame...... This is like someone trying to give a hot take on this really cool app called Instagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I saw numerous times him bailing from a perfectly fine pocket.... probably due to him being hit early and often in the game. he had to bail before ducasse stepped on him..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: No. Please explain the difference in "poise" between Allens game yesterday and a JP Losman game? Not saying he will be JP Losman. Just seems like a cop out for his awful performance. No no need to sugar coat. He sucked. A lot of it was laughable, but it is to be expected. Just need to see progress. Again, management hasn't done him any favors with the piss poor personnel around him. Agreed. Trent looked scared many times. We have a lot more data on JP than we do now on Allen. JP's problem was that he could never get the game to slow down enough for him and as a result he ran all over the field. He was a deer in the headlights. I don't see that in Allen. He hangs in there too long at times, not long enough at other times. But he doesn't look scared. JP many times look scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Relax and give the kid a chance to learn. Remember the whole debate, let him learn from the bench vs learn on the field. This is learning on the field, you have to give the kid a chance to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Yikes. Someone has a case of the Mondays. The kid put 0 points on the board. In 2018. The moment was too big for him. Allen was clueless out there. Had no idea where the blitz was coming from pre-snap. Was slow to recognize it post-snap. Had happy feet and left pockets and/or was overly-tentative when he was given time. He was completely overwhelmed. As often times rookies do. I'd be interested in the blitz pickups. Is he calling out protections? Bodine? Are they seeing it and the line just isn't blocking it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Dear God..The OP will be calling Allen the second coming when the kid has some talent around him to work with.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 JA got smoked, but it was pretty obvious the pack D had one plan and it worked. I feel like our coaches can't self scout, but they did pull out that big win in Minni, so maybe the problem is they have a rigid or complicated O in place, and no flexibility built in when it goes wrong? not reading blitzes pre snap is just a problem with allen at the moment, i've gotta assume the corches are working to overcome that, but i think the whole O is playing wit their pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 You and the GOAT would be too if you were standing in his shoes. Don’t pile on the kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 But guys this is how you develop a franchise qb no? Can’t change your minds now. 16 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Yikes. Someone has a case of the Mondays. The kid put 0 points on the board. In 2018. The moment was too big for him. Allen was clueless out there. Had no idea where the blitz was coming from pre-snap. Was slow to recognize it post-snap. Had happy feet and left pockets and/or was overly-tentative when he was given time. He was completely overwhelmed. His coaches are stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 The key word being "fawn." Give him a chance to grow some antlers, and then draw conclusions about the young buck's performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 He looked exhausted, but he kept his composure for the most part. I blame Daboll, Line, Reciecers, and Allen in that order. Daboll did nothing to show that he can scheme against a top-defensive mind. The line did some good things, but then made plenty of truly ridiculous blunders. The recievers cannot get separation. Whether this is on them, or play call, is hard to say, but there’s just no effort there. Allen needs to play better when he gets opportunities to throw, and he needs to rise to the occasion of seeing blitzes and getting the ball our quick. Whereas he was great at feeling the pressure last week, he looked lost this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 There's no doubt he is our future, and at times looks the part, but he is clearly raw and unprepared at this time to start in big games in the NFL. We can only hope this coaching staff is competent enough to develop game plans to negate some of this and develop his game properly. After the first 4 games, I honestly have my doubts they can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I saw numerous times him bailing from a perfectly fine pocket.... probably due to him being hit early and often in the game. First post says he was sacked, hurried, or knocked down 24 of 29 dropbacks. Yes there were some clean pockets (half the story, since the WRs can’t get uncovered), but not like protection was great. Hence the bailing, to your point... I’m with those that said Allen kept it together. Kid was in a bad situation, but didn’t get too rattled. Definitely excited to see what he does with a line and some WRs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: It’s a perfect storm right now.. Rookie QB who looks lost, terrible OL and not one good WR This. We all knew he was a raw, project prospect. I like that they are playing him right now in this lost year so he can make mistakes and learn. I just wish they could find some guys to block for him so he doesnt get injured too badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 44 minutes ago, fridge said: Terrible OL and a bunch of no-name WRs? Remember when Chan Gailey had a worse group so he spread the offense, focused on quick passes and started going toe-to-toe with the Patriots through the air? At the very least it was fun to watch. And still never won more than 6 games in a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 27 minutes ago, JPP said: Simms said it best this past week regarding Josh Allen.......it would be a shame if they dont put some playmakers/personale around this kid and build around him.......if the bills continue to ignore the offensive side of the ball than this kid is going to flame out very quick......which is a damn shame...... So the Bills FO should add OL and WRs this offseason?!? What a novel idea! Thanks Simms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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