The Rosen Era Has Begun in Arizona

[Big Gun]

IMO Allen pulls it down and runs because the game is a bit too fast for him right now. As it slows down for him and he reads defenses better his running should lessen as I believe he is passer first guy and run only when necessary.  

[C.Biscuit97]

16 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Someone's bitter because they were wrong

It’s not even the end of year 1.  

[KDIGGZ]

33 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Someone's bitter because they were wrong

Allen is the worst or 2nd worst QB in the NFL depending on what data you are going by. I was absolutely right. They shouldn't have drafted him. If they wanted a running QB who can't consistently complete passes then why didn't they just keep Tyrod? Or for similar stats then just get Tebow for the league minimum.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

10 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is the worst or 2nd worst QB in the NFL depending on what data you are going by. I was absolutely right. They shouldn't have drafted him. If they wanted a running QB who can't consistently complete passes then why didn't they just keep Tyrod? Or for similar stats then just get Tebow for the league minimum.

get out of here man.

 

unfortunately I can not say what I would really like to say to you, you're not worth the point.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[thebandit27]

10 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is the worst or 2nd worst QB in the NFL depending on what data you are going by. I was absolutely right. They shouldn't have drafted him. If they wanted a running QB who can't consistently complete passes then why didn't they just keep Tyrod? Or for similar stats then just get Tebow for the league minimum.

 

You're utterly dug in that they shouldn't have drafted him?

 

Ok, what QB should they have drafted? The "pocket passer" that is dead last in the league in passer rating from inside the pocket?

 

Again I say: you are totally entitled to your opinion, but maybe you should relax a bit on the definitive declarations regarding Allen's supposed suckitide 

[Magox]

I think this is a good time to bring this up

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

You're utterly dug in that they shouldn't have drafted him?

 

Ok, what QB should they have drafted? The "pocket passer" that is dead last in the league in passer rating from inside the pocket?

 

Again I say: you are totally entitled to your opinion, but maybe you should relax a bit on the definitive declarations regarding Allen's supposed suckitide 

 

Bear in mind that this dude, whoever he is, has 11k+ posts and hated the pick SO much, he changed his screen name over it. That's dedication to incorrectness.

 

[downunderbill]

16 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is the worst or 2nd worst QB in the NFL depending on what data you are going by. I was absolutely right. They shouldn't have drafted him. If they wanted a running QB who can't consistently complete passes then why didn't they just keep Tyrod? Or for similar stats then just get Tebow for the league minimum.

 

Do you actually watch games? 

 

[gobills1212]

49 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is the worst or 2nd worst QB in the NFL depending on what data you are going by. I was absolutely right. They shouldn't have drafted him. If they wanted a running QB who can't consistently complete passes then why didn't they just keep Tyrod? Or for similar stats then just get Tebow for the league minimum.

Welcome to TBD!! Its always nice to see fans from other teams stop by, even if it the AZ Cardinals.  Just dont jump on the Bills bandwagon. We are already packed up to the gills!!!

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is the worst or 2nd worst QB in the NFL depending on what data you are going by. I was absolutely right. They shouldn't have drafted him. If they wanted a running QB who can't consistently complete passes then why didn't they just keep Tyrod? Or for similar stats then just get Tebow for the league minimum.

I won’t re-hash what others have already pointed out to you with better eloquence than I could offer up. I’m just curious what exactly it will take seeing from Allen before you  change your avatar handle as having been a painfully obvious error? Bonus question would be, what does Rosen have to keep showing you in order for you to objectively keep your handle as is? Finally, how long of a sample size do you anticipate needing as to any of the above? 

[KDIGGZ]

Again, it's not about Rosen. I was just as much of a Mayfield fan as Rosen. It's about Allen not being worth all of those picks. Literally the worst QB in the NFL and you guys are acting like he has arrived because he can scramble. Not sure how he is better than Tyrod. Give me Tyrod and use the pick on Ridley and another top pick on OL instead of trading it away to move up for a project QB.

 

Also this thread is a reflection of America as a whole right now. If someone disagrees with your opinion you are quick to lash out. Pretty classy. If you want me to go away then stop quoting me and let the thread die. I haven't posted in this forum unprovoked since April. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a different opinion then why keep the discussion going?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

3 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Again, it's not about Rosen. I was just as much of a Mayfield fan as Rosen. It's about Allen not being worth all of those picks. Literally the worst QB in the NFL and you guys are acting like he has arrived because he can scramble. Not sure how he is better than Tyrod. Give me Tyrod and use the pick on Ridley and another top pick on OL instead of trading it away to move up for a project QB.

 

Also this thread is a reflection of America as a whole right now. If someone disagrees with your opinion you are quick to lash out. Pretty classy. If you want me to go away then stop quoting me and let the thread die. I haven't posted in this forum unprovoked since April. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a different opinion then why keep the discussion going?

pretty classy calling our QB an idiot.

 

 

you need some cheese with that whine son?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 12/18/2018 at 5:34 PM, WRONG JOSH said:

Allen is getting yards by running around like an idiot. It's not a sustainable model for success. He will either get injured or eventually be too slow after years of abuse. I just think it's funny that fans of the NFL's lowest rated passer are making fun of the 2nd lowest rated passer or vice versa. If it makes you guys feel any better, I think Allen is a better fit for our team because he can run around and improvise behind this horrible line. Rosen will have his starters back next year and his OL will be much better. I had Rosen and Mayfield 1a and 1b. I'll take the pocket passer every time for lasting long term success

So...his idiocy allowed him to run for YPA barely dreamed of even by running backs let alone QB’s and has avoided major hits in the process, but he’s so much safer behind our current line in the pocket...got it. Also, he did just fine in terms of smarts and production, especially for a rookie who’s started less than 10 games, when contained by Patricia’s D in said pocket. How revolutionary that he can hurt you both ways! But you stay on the Rosen attitudinal express, by all means. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Again, it's not about Rosen. I was just as much of a Mayfield fan as Rosen. It's about Allen not being worth all of those picks. Literally the worst QB in the NFL and you guys are acting like he has arrived because he can scramble. Not sure how he is better than Tyrod. Give me Tyrod and use the pick on Ridley and another top pick on OL instead of trading it away to move up for a project QB.

 

Also this thread is a reflection of America as a whole right now. If someone disagrees with your opinion you are quick to lash out. Pretty classy. If you want me to go away then stop quoting me and let the thread die. I haven't posted in this forum unprovoked since April. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a different opinion then why keep the discussion going?

 

LOL!  Because Watkins, Wood, Hogan, Goodwin, and Clay, and Glenn, Incognito and Wood weren't enough for Tyrod.  GTFOoH.

[87168]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  Because Watkins, Wood, Hogan, Goodwin, and Clay, and Glenn, Incognito and Wood weren't enough for Tyrod.  GTFOoH.

TT and the Bills got to the playoffs in 2017, when Watkins, Hogan, and Goodwin weren't on the team.

 

...the door is thataway --->

1 hour ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Again, it's not about Rosen. I was just as much of a Mayfield fan as Rosen. It's about Allen not being worth all of those picks. Literally the worst QB in the NFL and you guys are acting like he has arrived because he can scramble. Not sure how he is better than Tyrod. Give me Tyrod and use the pick on Ridley and another top pick on OL instead of trading it away to move up for a project QB.

my point exactly. every week this forum lit pitchforks whenever our previous QB scrambled . the FO made it a point to say they were looking for a pocket passer. that's not who they drafted. does JA have a big arm? sure. but again...how much different is he from the last QB. JA's was 13/26 with a QBR of 22.9 last week. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, 87168 said:

TT and the Bills got to the playoffs in 2017, when Watkins, Hogan, and Goodwin weren't on the team.

 

...the door is thataway --->

 

You can join him.  I’ll take last year‘s collection of offensive talent over this year’s, especially at OL and its effect on the run game. 

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Again, it's not about Rosen. I was just as much of a Mayfield fan as Rosen. It's about Allen not being worth all of those picks. Literally the worst QB in the NFL and you guys are acting like he has arrived because he can scramble. Not sure how he is better than Tyrod. Give me Tyrod and use the pick on Ridley and another top pick on OL instead of trading it away to move up for a project QB.

 

Also this thread is a reflection of America as a whole right now. If someone disagrees with your opinion you are quick to lash out. Pretty classy. If you want me to go away then stop quoting me and let the thread die. I haven't posted in this forum unprovoked since April. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a different opinion then why keep the discussion going?

 

I think the issue is that you aren't really using a lot of logic or reason in your recent rants, and that is what people are attacking.  You say everything from a completely rooted in bias that arrived BEFORE Allen was ever a Bill and disregard anything that has transpired since then.  You just keep proclaiming him the 2nd worst QB in the NFL.  So no offense, but you are bringing a lot of this on yourself.  

 

There is nothing wrong with you not being sold on him, its a fair position.  But you are coming at this as he is a bust, and will always be a bust, and here are the stats to prove it.  No one is saying he has "arrived" and is a finished product, but to deny that he has made any progress is just 100% factually incorrect.  Having gone back and read your posts in this threads, its a very fair question for anyone to ask if you even watch the games or just look at a stat sheets.  And the NFL is the one sport where stats are 100% unreliable.  Every single position is very dependent on the people around them.  DB's depend on the front 7 to provide pressure, RB's and QB's depend a lot on the OL, QB's need their targets to do their job well and make catches, WR's depend on both the QB and even the OL, etc, etc.  To use ONLY stats to chart a players growth leads anyone to a fools gold conclusion (good or bad).  It completely lacks the context needed to really analyze the individual.    

Again, you and anyone else remaining skeptical is more than fair.  But those few that are still firmly rooted in that he will be a bust no matter what happens on Sunday are way off base.  This kid is one of the most exciting young QB's in the NFL already.  He has plenty of work to do, but denying that he is improving is a flat out nonsense.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Again, it's not about Rosen. I was just as much of a Mayfield fan as Rosen. It's about Allen not being worth all of those picks. Literally the worst QB in the NFL and you guys are acting like he has arrived because he can scramble. Not sure how he is better than Tyrod. Give me Tyrod and use the pick on Ridley and another top pick on OL instead of trading it away to move up for a project QB.

 

Also this thread is a reflection of America as a whole right now. If someone disagrees with your opinion you are quick to lash out. Pretty classy. If you want me to go away then stop quoting me and let the thread die. I haven't posted in this forum unprovoked since April. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a different opinion then why keep the discussion going?

My violin is around here somewhere

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

My violin is around here somewhere

Do you play for real? I played in 3rd grade because you got to go to Disney world in 5th grade.  Well, I never practiced and my mom made me quit.  And I didn’t go to Disney world until 6th grade. ?

[BillsSB2020]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

My violin is around here somewhere

Drew Rosen doesn't have the talent nor the wherewithal as Josh Allen. He had a solid collegiate career, but I'm not sure he's a high quality teammate. Josh has demonstrated the ability to motivate the men around him. He's the kind of guy you want on your side in a foxhole.

 

Not to bash Rosen, but I can't say the same for the young man.

[Alphadawg7]

[K-9]

36 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Do you play for real? I played in 3rd grade because you got to go to Disney world in 5th grade.  Well, I never practiced and my mom made me quit.  And I didn’t go to Disney world until 6th grade. ?

I don’t know why, but this made me chuckle.

[26CornerBlitz]

Larry Fitzgerald Offers Reasons to Be Optimistic about Josh Rosen's Future with Cardinals

 

As the NFL community heaps praise on Baker Mayfield, who has led the Browns out of a state of despair and into relevancy, Cardinals rookie quarterback Josh Rosen is quietly toiling away in Arizona, where he's undergoing a typical developmental season that's included plenty of growing pains as the Cardinals head toward a likely three- or four-win season.

 

Despite his early struggles, future Hall of Famer and Cardinals legend Larry Fitzgerald remains high on Rosen's future outlook. Appearing on CBS Sports HQ's "Reiter's Block" on Thursday, Fitzgerald told Bill Reiter why Cardinals fans should be optimistic about Rosen and their future.

 

"As soon as he stepped on campus, he was pretty mature as a man. He's got a wide array of interests. He's really intellectually curious. Just overall a fun guy to be around," he said. "Football-wise, he's got some experience, got a couple of games under his belt, and every single week he's progressing in the right direction with the reads and accuracy and just his knowledge of the system. He's only going to continue to get better.

 

"We've been decimated on the offensive line, so it's been a struggle for him in that. Besides that, he's been playing outstanding."

 

Larry Fitzgerald joins Reiter's Block (12:11)

Cardinals wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald joins Bill Reiter to discuss Josh Rosen and the Cardinals, life and advice as a veteran of the league, and USAA and the Pat Tillman Foundation. Tune into Reiter's Block every Monday through Thursday at 5 pm ET.

[syhuang]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

16 hours ago, WRONG JOSH said:

Again, it's not about Rosen. I was just as much of a Mayfield fan as Rosen. It's about Allen not being worth all of those picks. Literally the worst QB in the NFL and you guys are acting like he has arrived because he can scramble. Not sure how he is better than Tyrod. Give me Tyrod and use the pick on Ridley and another top pick on OL instead of trading it away to move up for a project QB.

 

Also this thread is a reflection of America as a whole right now. If someone disagrees with your opinion you are quick to lash out. Pretty classy. If you want me to go away then stop quoting me and let the thread die. I haven't posted in this forum unprovoked since April. If you can't stand the fact that someone has a different opinion then why keep the discussion going?

 

If you want a broader discussion of America as a whole, Somewhere else - Not here.

 

Pretty classy to say stuff like "runs around like an idiot" about Allen then complain when people "lash out".  Maybe the way you choose to express your opinion has an influence.  Hmmmm.   I'm puzzled about what "posted unprovoked" means, but let it pass. 

 

I think it's a fair assumption that if it were really about Allen not being worth all those picks vs chosing Allen over Rosen when we had the chance for either, you would have changed your name to "TooManyDraftPicks4Josh" or something like that.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[syhuang]

 

 

few more from Cover 1:

 

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...despite the omnipotent, all knowing TBD "One and Done Gang", Rosen and his classmates have a long, LOONG way to go before any logical critical analysis......remember a published interview when Kaep was on the rise with an NFL exec, 20 something games into his career....quote was "we use 50 games as the logical body of work for critical analysis"......50 is a TBD CAREER according to their analytical doctrine..........

[billspro]

Still reminds me of Eli Manning.

[C.Biscuit97]

19 minutes ago, billspro said:

Still reminds me of Eli Manning.

It’s funny because this could be either a compliment or an insult haha. 

[boater]

Jay Rosen moved to AZ?

 

Pardon if has been discussed in the prior 34 pages. TLDR.

[Seventeen]

Big  day for Rosen today - 87 yards and a couple of sit down sacks. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[LSHMEAB]

Rosen looks like trash and Lamar Jackson looks like he just might make it.

 

The draft is such a crapshoot.

[apuszczalowski]

Arizonas offence is as bad or possibly slightly worse then the Bill's, let's see what he can do if they get him some weapons just like Allen

[Seventeen]

1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:

Arizonas offence is as bad or possibly slightly worse then the Bill's, let's see what he can do if they get him some weapons just like Allen

 

He has Larry Fitzgerald - we have Curly, Larry & Moe.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:

Arizonas offence is as bad or possibly slightly worse then the Bill's, let's see what he can do if they get him some weapons just like Allen

 

Oh it's worse.  Their OL can't block anyone.  

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:

Arizonas offence is as bad or possibly slightly worse then the Bill's, let's see what he can do if they get him some weapons just like Allen

 

Larry Fitzgerald and David Johnson are bad players?

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

Mayfield and Darnold are clearly separating themselves as the two best QB's in the 2018 class.

Mayfield is showing he was the most pro ready

 

Darnold is a turnover machine

[thenorthremembers]

4 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said:

He has more TD's than INT'S. 

 

We can't say the same for Allen who only as 7 TD's and 12 INT's. 

 

11 Ints.  Not going to argue about Darnold being the better of the two right now, he most likely is.   However, if you want to quote stats, need to be accurate.  Furthermore you really need to look at ints per game and not the static stat alone.