Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 17 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That's exactly what I'd like to do is discuss the merits based on actual game play. If you were truly interested in that you’d admit Allen has had better play with less around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: If you were truly interested in that you’d admit Allen has had better play with less around him Why would I admit to anything like that wehn it isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Why would I admit to anything like that wehn it isn't true. And this is why no one can take this thread seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, joesixpack said: And this is why no one can take this thread seriously. You're going to need to show some objective evidence beyond just making a statement. I'll be waiting. Pro Football Outsiders 2018 DYAR through Week Six Edited October 21, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You're going to need to show some objective evidence beyond just making a statement. I'll be waiting. PFF 2018 DYAR through Week Six Pick 6 > DYAR, WHIP, TTFB, BYOB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Pick 6 > DYAR, WHIP, TTFB, BYOB I can't even take you seriously when you won't analyze either of the INTs and admit that neither were the fault of Rosen with one coming on a tipped ball and the other when JJ Nelson stopped his route on an anticipated throw. Rosen played a bad game on TNF, but neither of those were on him. You also looked at his stat line in his 1st start and made an assessment that was inaccurate. Get serious beyond the nonsense postings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Pick 6 > DYAR, WHIP, TTFB, BYOB 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: You're going to need to show some objective evidence beyond just making a statement. I'll be waiting. PFF 2018 DYAR through Week Six I will not now nor will I ever take PFF seriously. So come at me with a real statistic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: I will not now nor will I ever take PFF seriously. So come at me with a real statistic. PFF ranked Tyrod over good QBs. They can’t be trusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: I will not now nor will I ever take PFF seriously. So come at me with a real statistic. That's actually Pro Football Outsiders. I mislabeled it. Look at it any way you'd like, by statistical analysis or film via All-22 to see what each is doing with regard to NFL QB traits and skill sets that determine success or failure in the NFL. You do that and come back and objectively state that Allen has shown better. Of course you won't because the evidence isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I can't even take you seriously when you won't analyze either of the INTs and admit that neither were the fault of Rosen with one coming on a tipped ball and the other when JJ Nelson stopped his route on an anticipated throw. Rosen played a bad game on TNF, but neither of those were on him. You also looked at his stat line in his 1st start and made an assessment that was inaccurate. Get serious beyond the nonsense postings. You enjoy Nate Peterman and Josh Rosen. Its cool. What about the other 3 ints they dropped ? Embarrassing stuff 26. Thanks for replacing skydiver/foster though ?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: You enjoy Nate Peterman and Josh Rosen. Its cool. What about the other 3 ints they dropped ? Embarrassing stuff 26. Thanks for replacing skydiver/foster though ?? Yeah. I enjoy Peterman. Like I posted earlier, you can't be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I can't even take you seriously when you won't analyze either of the INTs and admit that neither were the fault of Rosen with one coming on a tipped ball and the other when JJ Nelson stopped his route on an anticipated throw. Rosen played a bad game on TNF, but neither of those were on him. You also looked at his stat line in his 1st start and made an assessment that was inaccurate. Get serious beyond the nonsense postings. The first one was on a tipped pass and unlucky but the 2nd one would probably have been picked anyway and at best been incomplete since he was staring-down Nelson the whole way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Doc said: The first one was on a tipped pass and unlucky but the 2nd one would probably have been picked anyway and at best been incomplete since he was staring-down Nelson the whole way. Not to mention three other passes that were thrown right into the hands of DB's that were dropped. He could have had 5 picks that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: The first one was on a tipped pass and unlucky but the 2nd one would probably have been picked anyway and at best been incomplete since he was staring-down Nelson the whole way. It's called a hot read where he got the ball out immediately under a blitz pressure. The Broncos sent a 5 man pressure package on the play and his throw was a slant to Nelson. Your starting him down comment is not valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yeah. I enjoy Peterman. Like I posted earlier, you can't be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Thanks for proving my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Magox said: Not to mention three other passes that were thrown right into the hands of DB's that were dropped. He could have had 5 picks that game. Let me guess: those were also the fault of the receivers. And Allen's problems are all on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I can't even take you seriously when you won't analyze either of the INTs and admit that neither were the fault of Rosen with one coming on a tipped ball and the other when JJ Nelson stopped his route on an anticipated throw. Rosen played a bad game on TNF, but neither of those were on him. You also looked at his stat line in his 1st start and made an assessment that was inaccurate. Get serious beyond the nonsense postings. IIRC you never attempted to analyze Petermans int vs the Chargers in his first ever start last year. You blamed him for all the picks and still do but now have excuses for Rosen. I've also yet to see you find an excuse for Allens poor play. You can't make this stuff up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's called a hot read where he got the ball out immediately under a blitz pressure. The Broncos sent a 5 man pressure package on the play and his throw was a slant to Nelson. Your starting him down comment is not valid. Yes it was a hot read. He didn't see the safety bearing-down on Nelson. He just basically threw it to get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Yes it was a hot read. He didn't see the safety bearing-down on Nelson. He just basically threw it to get rid of it. No. He threw it to a spot as designed with Nelson as the intended receiver. Rosen was shown after the play questioning Nelson about WTH he stopped. Making things up to fit a narrative. Broncos Dominate Against Turnover-Plagued Cardinals Embattled Cardinals offensive coordinator Mike McCoy can't be pleased with how the game started -- or ended -- with Arizona calling a time out just two plays in. From there, Rosen flung a pass that was tipped by Denver's Derek Wolfe into the waiting arms of linebacker Todd Davis, who rumbled 20 yards for the pick-six just 59 seconds into the affair. McCoy was seeing ghosts after Rosen subsequently whipped a late first-quarter toss into the hands of Chris Harris, Jr., who soared 53 yards for another Denver defensive score. That play saw J.J. Nelson stop on his route, a decision that cost the Cardinals early. There's nothing wrong with Rosen's arm -- or his potential. His ugly box score (21-of-39 passing for 194 yards with one TD and the three picks) was partly the result of a broken-down scheme and plenty of punishment, with the rookie visiting the medical tent after being slammed helmet-first into the turf on a second-down sack by Shaquil Barrett before the half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, joesixpack said: And this is why no one can take this thread seriously. I agree. 54 minutes ago, joesixpack said: I will not now nor will I ever take PFF seriously. So come at me with a real statistic. Agreed again. 51 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: PFF ranked Tyrod over good QBs. They can’t be trusted And again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 still going...smh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 47 minutes ago, Doc said: The first one was on a tipped pass and unlucky but the 2nd one would probably have been picked anyway and at best been incomplete since he was staring-down Nelson the whole way. Kind of like a few INTs Nate had which were off deflections 46 minutes ago, Magox said: Not to mention three other passes that were thrown right into the hands of DB's that were dropped. He could have had 5 picks that game. Now I’m sorry I didn’t watch the game 25 minutes ago, pop gun said: IIRC you never attempted to analyze Petermans int vs the Chargers in his first ever start last year. You blamed him for all the picks and still do but now have excuses for Rosen. I've also yet to see you find an excuse for Allens poor play. You can't make this stuff up. By the looks of it he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No. He threw it to a spot as designed with Nelson as the intended receiver. Rosen was shown after the play questioning Nelson about WTH he stopped. Making things up to fit a narrative. Broncos Dominate Against Turnover-Plagued Cardinals Embattled Cardinals offensive coordinator Mike McCoy can't be pleased with how the game started -- or ended -- with Arizona calling a time out just two plays in. From there, Rosen flung a pass that was tipped by Denver's Derek Wolfe into the waiting arms of linebacker Todd Davis, who rumbled 20 yards for the pick-six just 59 seconds into the affair. McCoy was seeing ghosts after Rosen subsequently whipped a late first-quarter toss into the hands of Chris Harris, Jr., who soared 53 yards for another Denver defensive score. That play saw J.J. Nelson stop on his route, a decision that cost the Cardinals early. There's nothing wrong with Rosen's arm -- or his potential. His ugly box score (21-of-39 passing for 194 yards with one TD and the three picks) was partly the result of a broken-down scheme and plenty of punishment, with the rookie visiting the medical tent after being slammed helmet-first into the turf on a second-down sack by Shaquil Barrett before the half. Oh, the hypocrisy! I could give you a million different reasons that Allen has struggled but you'd ignore/refuse to listen to them. So we'll leave it at that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Tipped pass .... who’s fault is that? The OC? The OLine? The WRs? The Hot read by the QB not reading coverage? Mrs Peterman wants to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Doc said: Oh, the hypocrisy! I could give you a million different reasons that Allen has struggled but you'd ignore/refuse to listen to them. So we'll leave it at that. Wrong yet again. As if I haven't talked about the poor supporting cast surrounding Allen that's an indictment of Beane and McDermott. I have in fact done so repeatedly. From no veteran mentor to the poor WR and OL they have done him no favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Can Rosen blame the HC and GM as well as the fired OC? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Look...let’s be real because this is getting to be just dumb and boring. Rosen has looked like the more polished signal caller in spurts, but he (just like Allen) also has shown periods of poor “rookie” play. Anyone with half a brain could have told you coming into the season that Rosen has a higher “floor” than Allen at present. Some folks like Rosen’s potential to be successful long-term, and some folks (like me) feel that it is Allen that has the higher ceiling and will ultimately be more successful. Know what? We’re all correct currently. Only time will tell. IMO, ultimately, it’s going to depend more on the structure/supports that are built around each player. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Nelson stopped on his route...unacceptable from him It also happened to be a BAD throw that probably would've been picked anyway I'm a Rosen guy; Rosen has been BAD. Certainly no better than Allen, who was my QB4. Not much else to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Nelson stopped on his route...unacceptable from him It also happened to be a BAD throw that probably would've been picked anyway I'm a Rosen guy; Rosen has been BAD. Certainly no better than Allen, who was my QB4. Not much else to it. This. It’s important to note, Rosen looked to be the most pro-ready in his class. He has not lived up to that predraft label. Allen on the other hand, has basically been better than advertised. Edited October 21, 2018 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Nelson stopped on his route...unacceptable from him It also happened to be a BAD throw that probably would've been picked anyway I'm a Rosen guy; Rosen has been BAD. Certainly no better than Allen, who was my QB4. Not much else to it. He's had one excellent game, one poor, game, one decent game, and one terrible game. Not sure what fim you've watched, but he's shown more than Allen to this point which isn't a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He's had one excellent game, one poor, game, one decent game, and one terrible game. Not sure what fim you've watched, but he's shown more than Allen to this point which isn't a surprise. Is this like that time you spent 300 posts talking about how Goff was terrible and proof you should never trade up for a QB? Because it’s starting to feel like it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He's had one excellent game, one poor, game, one decent game, and one terrible game. Not sure what fim you've watched, but he's shown more than Allen to this point which isn't a surprise. I have each of them graded as having one plus game, one brutal game, and the rest qualifying as minus games. I can't find any excuse to use the word "excellent" to describe any performance from any of the 4 rookie starters at this point, irrespective of what PFF or any other articles may claim. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: I have each of them graded as having one plus game, one brutal game, and the rest qualifying as minus games. I can't find any excuse to use the word "excellent" to describe any performance from any of the 4 rookie starters at this point, irrespective of what PFF or any other articles may claim. His 1st start was just that to my eyes when I watched live and in review thereafter. If your opinion differs, that's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Josh Rosen is a highly touted rookie QB, albeit a struggling one at the moment. Josh Allen is a good athlete. I think Josh Allen would make a good H-back. Maybe we can sign him and Tebow and run the wing T offense because we sure as heck can't pass the ball with any consistency. Ground and pound baby! If you guys think he's all of a sudden going to "get it" then you are delusional. He's never been a good passing QB at any level of competition. I hear a lot of people saying dumb things like Mahomes was a project and he panned out so Allen can too! You do realize that Allen has only had 2 300-yard passing games in his entire life right? Mahomes AVERAGED over 400 yards per game passing in college against much better competition. Different offenses sure but he showed a propensity to air it out and complete passes when given the opportunity. Allen is never going to be that guy. In today's NFL, 300 yards is a pretty average day for a good QB. We will never see that kind of passing attack under Allen. Maybe we can win some games with good defense but we will never be better than a .500 team +- 1 game until we get a QB that can consistently pass the ball down the field 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, WRONG JOSH said: Josh Rosen is a highly touted rookie QB, albeit a struggling one at the moment. Josh Allen is a good athlete. I think Josh Allen would make a good H-back. Maybe we can sign him and Tebow and run the wing T offense because we sure as heck can't pass the ball with any consistency. Ground and pound baby! If you guys think he's all of a sudden going to "get it" then you are delusional. He's never been a good passing QB at any level of competition. I hear a lot of people saying dumb things like Mahomes was a project and he panned out so Allen can too! You do realize that Allen has only had 2 300-yard passing games in his entire life right? Mahomes AVERAGED over 400 yards per game passing in college against much better competition. Different offenses sure but he showed a propensity to air it out and complete passes when given the opportunity. Allen is never going to be that guy. In today's NFL, 300 yards is a pretty average day for a good QB. We will never see that kind of passing attack under Allen. Maybe we can win some games with good defense but we will never be better than a .500 team +- 1 game until we get a QB that can consistently pass the ball down the field A whole lot of sweeping declarations and false narratives in this post In fact, that's basically the entirety of the post content 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 58 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: A whole lot of sweeping declarations and false narratives in this post In fact, that's basically the entirety of the post content Please don’t repost from trolls who are on my ignore list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Doc said: Please don’t repost from trolls who are on my ignore list. Hard to hear the truth. Keep living in denial. Ignorance is bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 6 hours ago, WRONG JOSH said: Josh Rosen is a highly touted rookie QB, albeit a struggling one at the moment. Josh Allen is a good athlete. I think Josh Allen would make a good H-back. Maybe we can sign him and Tebow and run the wing T offense because we sure as heck can't pass the ball with any consistency. Ground and pound baby! If you guys think he's all of a sudden going to "get it" then you are delusional. He's never been a good passing QB at any level of competition. I hear a lot of people saying dumb things like Mahomes was a project and he panned out so Allen can too! You do realize that Allen has only had 2 300-yard passing games in his entire life right? Mahomes AVERAGED over 400 yards per game passing in college against much better competition. Different offenses sure but he showed a propensity to air it out and complete passes when given the opportunity. Allen is never going to be that guy. In today's NFL, 300 yards is a pretty average day for a good QB. We will never see that kind of passing attack under Allen. Maybe we can win some games with good defense but we will never be better than a .500 team +- 1 game until we get a QB that can consistently pass the ball down the field Where would be Robert Foster be lined up? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 29, 2018 Author Share Posted October 29, 2018 (edited) What we learned from Sunday's Week 8 games Arizona Cardinals 18, San Francisco 49ers 15 1. From early ugly offenses to a low score, the battle of 1-6 teams produced what could be expected. But somebody had to win this matchup, and the Cardinals showed grit to overcome a 15-3 deficit early in the fourth quarter to improve to 2-6 and extend a winning streak over the 49ers to eight games. Rookie quarterback Josh Rosen shook off a sluggish three quarters to lead the comeback, throwing two touchdowns in the final quarter. Rosen's first touchdown went to veteran wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald for 13 yards. The second scoring pass came on a laser in the back of the end zone to rookie wide receiver Christian Kirk for a 9-yard touchdown to cap off an impressive 12-play, 73-yard drive with :39 remaining on the clock. Fitzgerald caught the 2-point conversion to give the Cardinals a three-point lead. Rosen finished the game completing 23 of 40 passes for a career-high 252 yards, while Fitzgerald produced eight catches for 102 yards on 12 targets, all season highs, to go along with his touchdown. Kirk chipped in with three catches for 42 yards and a touchdown. Edited October 29, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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