jethro_tull Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Last year the Bears just started integrating their rookie QB after a disastrous start with Mike Glennon. They went on to a 5 and 12 record behind a shaky offensive line, poor receiving corp and decent defense. The defense obviously developed well and received some upgraded juice in the form of Kahlil Mack. The offensive line revamped only one starting position and seems to have developed nicely. The staring receivers and TE are all new from last year. Arguably the Bears are looking like a legit playoff contender this year. This year's Bills seem to be in a similar position as least year's Bears and might be on a 5 and 12 path (or slightly less). The point is that with some off season moves and additional player development the Bears have improved their position from a 5-12 team to a legit contender and the same thing could easily happen to the Bills next year. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan5121 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, jethro_tull said: Last year the Bears just started integrating their rookie QB after a disastrous start with Mike Glennon. They went on to a 5 and 12 record behind a shaky offensive line, poor receiving corp and decent defense. The defense obviously developed well and received some upgraded juice in the form of Kahlil Mack. The offensive line revamped only one starting position and seems to have developed nicely. The staring receivers and TE are all new from last year. Arguably the Bears are looking like a legit playoff contender this year. This year's Bills seem to be in a similar position as least year's Bears and might be on a 5 and 12 path (or slightly less). The point is that with some off season moves and additional player development the Bears have improved their position from a 5-12 team to a legit contender and the same thing could easily happen to the Bills next year. I’m sure it’ll get pointed out several times, so I’ll be the first. There’s only 16 games in a season. But to the point of your post. We can all certainly hope that the turnaround is quick. I think we all realize this year, from a win/loss perspective, is going to be tough to watch. Regardless of record, if Allen shows signs of growth from now till December, I’ll be optimistic for next season no matter what happens. There are only two things that would make me pessimistic next season. 1: Allen looks terrible this year. Even this is a stretch though. If he looks bad all year, I’ll still probably be optimistic, unless number 2 happens, which is..... 2: Benjamin is our number one receiver next year. If he is the best of the bunch next year, I will be pessimistic heading into the season. He’s a guy who has a place in this league, but not as a number 1. Or if he is the number 1, he needs a quality #2 for it to work. Like Golden Tate in Detroit. He isn’t a great number 1 receiver by himself, but it works with Marvin jones as the 2 Edited September 21, 2018 by billsfan5121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, jethro_tull said: Last year the Bears just started integrating their rookie QB after a disastrous start with Mike Glennon. They went on to a 5 and 12 record behind a shaky offensive line, poor receiving corp and decent defense. The defense obviously developed well and received some upgraded juice in the form of Kahlil Mack. The offensive line revamped only one starting position and seems to have developed nicely. The staring receivers and TE are all new from last year. Arguably the Bears are looking like a legit playoff contender this year. This year's Bills seem to be in a similar position as least year's Bears and might be on a 5 and 12 path (or slightly less). The point is that with some off season moves and additional player development the Bears have improved their position from a 5-12 team to a legit contender and the same thing could easily happen to the Bills next year. The Bears are 1-1 with their only win coming against 0-2 Seattle who look terrible. Rodgers came back to beat them on one leg. Trubisky has 2 tds 2ints and 2 fumbles. Something would have to seriously go wrong in the division for the Bears to make it. You might be right though, next year it's possible that the Bills fight to a competitive 3rd place in the division. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Dream on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Allen already looks better than Trubisky in my opinion. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Jasovon said: Allen already looks better than Trubisky in my opinion. From what little I saw of Trubisky, it looks like the game is a little slower for him than for Allen at this point. I do think Allen has better physical tools, but needs to recognize the defense and be able to adjust at the snap count. In a year from now, I would think JA >> Trubisky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 24 minutes ago, Jasovon said: Allen already looks better than Trubisky in my opinion. Yep. Trubisky looks like his head is swimming. Once he gets past the scripted (and practiced) plays at the beginning of the game he seems like there's too much going on at one time. It's tough to judge the two, Trub has a legitimate defense that should have them at 2-0 while Allen has mainly played in garbage time, but for being year two, I'd be pretty nervous is Trub was my guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 We can absolutely start out 1-1 next year!!! I BILLieve!!!! In all seriousness, their defense looks pretty nasty as far as a pass rush. Lets remember they have a new head coach, who has one year as an offensive coordinator behind Andy Reid. He’s ran some really innovative trickish kinda playbook the first two weeks. That won’t fly all year long. The league always catches up to this kinda stuff once there’s enough tape out there. I would hold off on the serious playoff contender part until at least mid season. They are still very talent deficient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 We are pretty far away from being competitive and I don't think it can be fixed in one offseason. We can feel better about the team's prospects if Allen and Edmunds show significant progress during the season, but I don't think this year's version of the Bills is as talented as last year's version of the Bears. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 The Bills aren’t anything like the Bears. Trubisky’s ceiling looks like Alex Smith. Nagy is an offensive minded head coach. They have a battering ram as a RB. An elite pash rusher. How would the Bills be anything like the Bears? They have a defensive minded coach with a gun slinger as a QB. No pass rushers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmichii Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 5-12? I honestly feel that's super optimistic. At this point I can't imagine them having a lead in a game let alone being competitive. I honestly think they are the new browns. 0-16 for 2018. 1-15 2019. Does Allen survive that? Maybe not and you're looking at drafting a qb in 2020. Watching the past 2 games has been sheer torture. They just simply are that bad. The lack of talent and sheer incompetence makes it like going to the dentist. Im dreading this sunday but i know ill watch. Ill watch because im a fan in the way that only buffalo fans can understand. which is why this season is so much of a bummer. i dont trust beane to get this right. lotuleilei, murphy, benjamin etc etc. are just invisible except for the paychecks they collect. these are his guys. he went and got them and they might as well be orange cones. oh well at least i can look forward to skinner and dahlin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 That analogy scares the hell out of me. If Allen= Trubisky, we are screwed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 17 games?........I don’t remember the Bears making the post season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, jethro_tull said: Last year the Bears just started integrating their rookie QB after a disastrous start with Mike Glennon. They went on to a 5 and 12 record behind a shaky offensive line, poor receiving corp and decent defense. The defense obviously developed well and received some upgraded juice in the form of Kahlil Mack. The offensive line revamped only one starting position and seems to have developed nicely. The staring receivers and TE are all new from last year. Arguably the Bears are looking like a legit playoff contender this year. This year's Bills seem to be in a similar position as least year's Bears and might be on a 5 and 12 path (or slightly less). The point is that with some off season moves and additional player development the Bears have improved their position from a 5-12 team to a legit contender and the same thing could easily happen to the Bills next year. With the ridiculous amount of dead money, I really think the Bills are in a category of their own, so the circumstances are a little different IMO. Beane's plan appears to be trying to correct the cap issue by unloading high priced players, acquiring draft picks to build a base of young players, and once the cap is corrected, then adding key FA's. Last years Bills were a mediocre team with a lot of holes that somehow made the playoffs. I think this years "suffering", with $50 million dead space, is not a surprise to the Bills brass and shouldn't be to Bills fans. Next season might look more like the 5-11 Bears, who were competitive for the most part, but still a ways away from contending. The year after that should be the year they really start to compete, that's if Beane's plan works. A big if, but let's hope so... Edited September 21, 2018 by ricojes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sweats said: 17 games?........I don’t remember the Bears making the post season Yeah. I didn't realize 5-11 got them a WC berth. And I thought WE snuck into the postseason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 It all depends on Allen. He has to morph into something that he is not, and has never been. Will he do that? We'll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, Commonsense said: The Bills aren’t anything like the Bears. Trubisky’s ceiling looks like Alex Smith. Nagy is an offensive minded head coach. They have a battering ram as a RB. An elite pash rusher. How would the Bills be anything like the Bears? They have a defensive minded coach with a gun slinger as a QB. No pass rushers. next year, easy. The D improves with Edmunds having gone through his rookie year, our pass rush improves with Bosa or Oliver and a FA, and the secondary also improves with FA. The O-line improves via draft and perhaps one FA, and we acquire Coleman, Bell, or a rookie RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, jethro_tull said: Last year the Bears just started integrating their rookie QB after a disastrous start with Mike Glennon. They went on to a 5 and 12 record behind a shaky offensive line, poor receiving corp and decent defense. The defense obviously developed well and received some upgraded juice in the form of Kahlil Mack. The offensive line revamped only one starting position and seems to have developed nicely. The staring receivers and TE are all new from last year. Arguably the Bears are looking like a legit playoff contender this year. This year's Bills seem to be in a similar position as least year's Bears and might be on a 5 and 12 path (or slightly less). The point is that with some off season moves and additional player development the Bears have improved their position from a 5-12 team to a legit contender and the same thing could easily happen to the Bills next year. So basically if we add someone like Mack on defense, add all new WR and TE, and have a line equal to the Bears line, which was fairly well rated in 2017, we'll be like the Bears 2018 team? That's all we need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: next year, easy. The D improves with Edmunds having gone through his rookie year, our pass rush improves with Bosa or Oliver and a FA, and the secondary also improves with FA. The O-line improves via draft and perhaps one FA, and we acquire Coleman, Bell, or a rookie RB. So improve at every level of defense on both sides of the ball and have the coach morph into an offensive minded savant. Seems unlikely but sure it could happen. Allen>Trubisky, I just don’t see the Bills being built similarly to the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Commonsense said: So improve at every level of defense on both sides of the ball and have the coach morph into an offensive minded savant. Seems unlikely but sure it could happen. Allen>Trubisky, I just don’t see the Bills being built similarly to the Bears. Yeah, the draft gets us a pass rusher (not hard to fathom), the Head Coach does not need to be an offensive minded savant if our OC is one (jury out on that), and finding one or two OL and some WR's is not out of the realm. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 What we need is something comparable to the 85 Bears D.....now that is truly something to strive for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, klos63 said: So basically if we add someone like Mack on defense, add all new WR and TE, and have a line equal to the Bears line, which was fairly well rated in 2017, we'll be like the Bears 2018 team? That's all we need? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbarg12 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I'm very pessimistic that the Bills fix all of their issues they currently have in one offseason, I do believe there will be some significant strides towards being more competitive next season. It will really depend on the draft, seeing how much those draft picks are used on offense or defense. Hopefully they don't re-sign KB this offseason and possibly bring in a veteran WR who isn't going to look so lazy when he is on the field. Not even trying to block on that DiMarco pass against the Chargers was just poor effort. I don't want to see him on this roster next year. I think Allen and Edmunds will improve after a year of playing significant time this year and having another full OTAs and training camp next year. And most likely be able to open up some more from the playbook as they grow some experience. And as long as no one retires at halftime.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Um, no. We have a ton of draft picks and cap space. They gonna git they (sic) guys, and we'll see if "The Process" is for real, or just more McBeane bull ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: From what little I saw of Trubisky, it looks like the game is a little slower for him than for Allen at this point. I do think Allen has better physical tools, but needs to recognize the defense and be able to adjust at the snap count. In a year from now, I would think JA >> Trubisky. Ya I agree but something getting severely overlooked in Allens first start is that Daboll and the offense had to basically scrap the playbook and go pass heavy after going down 28 points on 4 straight possessions. So I'm sorta putting an asterisk next to that start , as the offense was shackled and the defense knew a rookie , first time starter had to go into a pass heavy offense. I'm very intrigued by how the O will look this week. That's 2 straight games the defense failed miserably and forced the O to go pass heavy. Our running game has looked surprisingly encouraging, especially Ivory ,who looks to have a burst I didn't expect. Allen or any rookie QB needs a run game to be successful . As long as he progresses, this season is a success imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Who knows? We have a lot of holes to fill, especially on offense to even be mentioned in the same category roster wise. Smart draft picks and quality FA signings will go a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Well they have Mack and we have Murphy so yeah I can see that heppeneing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 If this turns into a season where they get a top 2 pick AND Allen is progressing, then I won't be disappointed. They could use one of Bosa/Oliver to take the D to the next level. Yes, they need more weapons on O, but they need a REAL stud who can get after the passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 hours ago, jethro_tull said: Last year the Bears just started integrating their rookie QB after a disastrous start with Mike Glennon. They went on to a 5 and 12 record behind a shaky offensive line, poor receiving corp and decent defense. The defense obviously developed well and received some upgraded juice in the form of Kahlil Mack. The offensive line revamped only one starting position and seems to have developed nicely. The staring receivers and TE are all new from last year. Arguably the Bears are looking like a legit playoff contender this year. This year's Bills seem to be in a similar position as least year's Bears and might be on a 5 and 12 path (or slightly less). The point is that with some off season moves and additional player development the Bears have improved their position from a 5-12 team to a legit contender and the same thing could easily happen to the Bills next year. Don't think so, but perhaps this year's Bills will be next year's Bears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 I dont think the Bears are any good. Not impressed at all with Trubisky but he gets another year or two to see where he's at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 In order for the Bills to be like 2018 Bears in 2019, they have to can McDermott, give control of player selection to Beane, hire an offensive minded HC, and finally trade for Von Miller or some other game changer on defense. That ain't happening, which is probably just as well because after seeing the crap McDermott and Beane have put on the field in the form of FAs in 2018 and the stupid trades the Bills have made under Beane, putting Beane totally in charge of player personnel would make the Browns FO at their very worse look astute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 6 hours ago, jethro_tull said: Last year the Bears just started integrating their rookie QB after a disastrous start with Mike Glennon. They went on to a 5 and 12 record behind a shaky offensive line, poor receiving corp and decent defense. The defense obviously developed well and received some upgraded juice in the form of Kahlil Mack. The offensive line revamped only one starting position and seems to have developed nicely. The staring receivers and TE are all new from last year. Arguably the Bears are looking like a legit playoff contender this year. This year's Bills seem to be in a similar position as least year's Bears and might be on a 5 and 12 path (or slightly less). The point is that with some off season moves and additional player development the Bears have improved their position from a 5-12 team to a legit contender and the same thing could easily happen to the Bills next year. I hope not, Mitch doesn’t look good. I’m hoping last years Rams is the better example. Rams going into last year revamped the OL and added Watkins, Woods, Kupp, and Everett. Goff took a big jump forward, Gurley became a stud again, and they made the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I hope not, Mitch doesn’t look good. I’m hoping last years Rams is the better example. Rams going into last year revamped the OL and added Watkins, Woods, Kupp, and Everett. Goff took a big jump forward, Gurley became a stud again, and they made the playoffs. They took a big jump when they had a big dump and got rid of Fisher. McVay is the reason that offense completely turned around and they brought in Wade Phillips who can take almost any group and make it awesome on defense. The difference is that they finally have great coaching on both sides of the ball. The significant investment in WR's didn't hurt either. Woods, Cupp, and Cooks (Watkins last year) also didn't hurt either. I'm even leaving out Reynolds who was great in the senior bowl but lost in their depth chart. We haven't made the investment in our offense anywhere near that level. I would imagine this year is already a lost cause but if they make a large investment in the offense next year and this years picks (Allen and Edmunds) pan out then we could take a nice big step forward next year. I would at this point think we almost have to or McDermott will not last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Maine-iac said: They took a big jump when they had a big dump and got rid of Fisher. McVay is the reason that offense completely turned around and they brought in Wade Phillips who can take almost any group and make it awesome on defense. The difference is that they finally have great coaching on both sides of the ball. The significant investment in WR's didn't hurt either. Woods, Cupp, and Cooks (Watkins last year) also didn't hurt either. I'm even leaving out Reynolds who was great in the senior bowl but lost in their depth chart. We haven't made the investment in our offense anywhere near that level. I would imagine this year is already a lost cause but if they make a large investment in the offense next year and this years picks (Allen and Edmunds) pan out then we could take a nice big step forward next year. I would at this point think we almost have to or McDermott will not last. No denying McVay is a great young coach, however, this is when fans give coaches too much credit. To give him all or the majority of the credit is crazy. I live here in Los Angeles, and Rams are my second team. The year before McVay, Rams had the worst OL in the NFL and even Gurley struggled. They had no weapons to throw to either. Then in the offseason, they completely rebuilt the OL which was night and day different from the year before, so not only would they pass protect for Goff, they were able to get Gurley rolling again too which further took pressure off Goff. Then they got rid of all their WR's except Tavon (which they finally dumped his bad contract this offseason) and brought in Sammy, Woods, Kupp and also the rookie TE Everett who is a receiving threat to go with the other solid TE. All of a sudden they had a good OL and a ton of weapons around Goff. Had McVay been the coach the last year Fisher was there, that Rams team would not have been much better than it was as it just didn't have the talent on the offense. I have seen this many times here on this board where people give almost all the credit to McVay. That tells me they didn't follow the team closely enough to know just how much offensive turnover they did in one offseason. Their offensive weapons and OL were on the level ours is this year during Fishers last year. And dont get me wrong, I think Fisher should have been fired a long long time ago and think McVay is an great young coach right now. But their turn around was significantly impacted by the major over haul of the personnel on the offense as well. And thats why I said I want us to be the Rams of last year, not the Bears of this year because the Bears of this year have a young QB they invested a lot of draft picks in to get who isn't playing well still. I want to be like the Rams of last year, where we rebuild the OL and WR group in a major overhaul in one off season (and we have the draft picks and cap space to do it) and see Josh take a big step forward in year 2 like Goff did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 I want next year's Bills to be last year's Rams. Doooon't care about the Bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 They have an offensive genius at coach and they have an NFL defensive MVP candidate. We have neither of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted September 22, 2018 Author Share Posted September 22, 2018 5 and 11, thanks for all corrections. I have watched each Bears game and am impressed enough with this team to call them a legitimate contender with room to grow. By rights they had the packers except for an asinine 3rd down pass play when they were running the ball at will and a first down with a yard to go would have iced the game. Trubisky is playing good enough for the team to win, not great but you (I) can see the talent and potential though. Running game is solid, OL is much better and the defense is outstanding. Too early to tell just how good the Seahawks are but the Bears shut them down into the ground. The Bears are legit and could fight for their division IMHO. The Bills do seem behind in talent vs. last year's Bears at this point- but the Bears were somewhat similarly awful out of the gate going 1 and 5. The Bills taking a leap to legit playoff contention next season is predicated on lots of development this season on both sides of the ball and our coaching definitely has to be better. I think each will happen and doubt we will see the same Bills team by mid season that we do now. They also have to "win" next year's off season, not just in boastful terms but actual talent upgrades at many positions (unfortunately). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 22 hours ago, jethro_tull said: Last year the Bears just started integrating their rookie QB after a disastrous start with Mike Glennon. They went on to a 5 and 12 record behind a shaky offensive line, poor receiving corp and decent defense. The defense obviously developed well and received some upgraded juice in the form of Kahlil Mack. The offensive line revamped only one starting position and seems to have developed nicely. The staring receivers and TE are all new from last year. Arguably the Bears are looking like a legit playoff contender this year. This year's Bills seem to be in a similar position as least year's Bears and might be on a 5 and 12 path (or slightly less). The point is that with some off season moves and additional player development the Bears have improved their position from a 5-12 team to a legit contender and the same thing could easily happen to the Bills next year. Certainly not impossible. The Bears aren't the first and won't be the last on quick turnarounds. Bills problems are a bit more deep. They probably need 10-12 starters, and need too find capable depth. Not the trash they have this season. Also, it's too early to tell but an assistant coach or two Could be gone . Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 23 hours ago, billsfan5121 said: I’m sure it’ll get pointed out several times, so I’ll be the first. There’s only 16 games in a season. But to the point of your post. We can all certainly hope that the turnaround is quick. I think we all realize this year, from a win/loss perspective, is going to be tough to watch. Regardless of record, if Allen shows signs of growth from now till December, I’ll be optimistic for next season no matter what happens. There are only two things that would make me pessimistic next season. 1: Allen looks terrible this year. Even this is a stretch though. If he looks bad all year, I’ll still probably be optimistic, unless number 2 happens, which is..... 2: Benjamin is our number one receiver next year. If he is the best of the bunch next year, I will be pessimistic heading into the season. He’s a guy who has a place in this league, but not as a number 1. Or if he is the number 1, he needs a quality #2 for it to work. Like Golden Tate in Detroit. He isn’t a great number 1 receiver by himself, but it works with Marvin jones as the 2 Wait a second? Who outside of Joe “Mr. Nobody” Ledyard thinks that Allen looked “terrible?” Most correctly identified his performance as inconsistent - having good and bad moments. This is what typically happens with rookie QB’s as demonstrated by Sam Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan5121 Posted September 22, 2018 Share Posted September 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Wait a second? Who outside of Joe “Mr. Nobody” Ledyard thinks that Allen looked “terrible?” Most correctly identified his performance as inconsistent - having good and bad moments. This is what typically happens with rookie QB’s as demonstrated by Sam Darnold I didn’t say Allen looked terrible. I said only two things would cause me to be pessimistic next season, with one of those being IF Allen looked terrible. I even followed that up by saying that alone probably still isn’t enough for me to be pessimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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