Chandler#81 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 11 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: again a personal attack. Instead of debating facts you attack me. Why ? Bye, Felicia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 21 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over. Beane did not pass on Mahomes..Whaley was still the GM. Allen or Rosen...Draft is a crapshoot...At least they are trying! To answer...NO...There have been much worse HC/GM...For example, we had Marv who had no clue...He spent so lavishly on average OL. Had No QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, ganesh said: Beane did not pass on Mahomes..Whaley was still the GM. As everyone knows, McCoach called the shots during that draft - not Whaley. Beane had not yet been hired, but McCoach made the decision to pass on Mahomes. We shall see whether that was a good decision. So far, I would say that it was not . . . especially given everything that McBeane did subsequent to this to even be in a position to draft Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, Peter said: As everyone knows, McCoach called the shots during that draft - not Whaley. Beane had not yet been hired, but McCoach made the decision to pass on Mahomes. We shall see whether that was a good decision. So far, I would say that it was not . . . especially given everything that McBeane did subsequent to this to even be in a position to draft Josh. Mahommes would have struggled behind this Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, ganesh said: Mahommes would have struggled behind this Line. Whose fault is the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 Go look up the word "rebuilding" and try again. Do you honestly expect anyone at OBD to come out and say "Save your season ticket money for next year because we've already written this year off." and keep their job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 3:53 PM, baskingridgebillsfan said: If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over. I'm getting really tired of having to point out that BEANE WASNT HERE FOR THE 2017 DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 1 minute ago, CLTbills said: I'm getting really tired of having to point out that BEANE WASNT HERE FOR THE 2017 DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...ask yourself this......who were the gang of misfits, unqualfieds, round pegs in square holes, "over the hill" crustaceans who because they were "re-tired" could lead us into the promised land?....looks like a re-make of Larry Storch and "F Troop".....just concluded McBeane's FIRST draft and second off season with McD.....of course the cap clean up hurt but there was a need to get rid of the dead wood although I would not have moved so quickly on Glenn.....BUT it's done......I also question the need to rush and dump AJ for a "coveted 5th" despite the lucrative nature of who will be available(COUGH).....sure his last start post injury yielded expected ring rust and he rebounded in the 4th...BUT...were we really ALL SET at QB with Josh & Peterman?......hmmm.....the cap clean up left limited dollars to sign average or less players to hopefully remain competitive.....plenty of other threads talking aout the complexity of Castillo and Daboll schemes.....so with this marginal talent does it make an ounce of sense?.....add in I have ZERO confidence in Frazier's ability to craft a defensive scheme and adjust or counter punch.....hell even Playskool taught ME that "round pegs don't fit in square holes"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 3:53 PM, baskingridgebillsfan said: If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 21 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: He said he needs something, but I do not know what Abfuhrmittel is. Probably a prostate exam. That had me laughing . Danke : ) 19 hours ago, K-9 said: Let me know when we enter Bob Lustig territory. Until then, this is all gravy. who is Bob Lustig ? btw I am a Bandwagon Fan... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 19 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I get the impression that Beane is mostly a build-thru-the-draft kind of guy. I expect he'll overpay for one or two FAs - like most GMs do. When you want something bad enough, you have to be the high bidder. But I think he's going to focus on undervalued players and "B" players who can be signed affordably and not "A" players who will demand record-setting contracts. $80,000,000 just doesn't go as far as it used to. nice post. I get the same vibe. last sentence was hilarious , even if true : ) 18 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: again you should google / not much backwoods in the entite state of New jersey by the way. fairly progressive state has a lot of swamps and swampy land though , being at such a low elevation above sea level I suppose. Without the GM in place, McD was not going to risk equity of draft picks on something he knew his GM was going to pick. its simple. Some folks have trouble with the Process. But it is right in front of us all. Like it or do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Thanks Sal . always a pleasure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: That had me laughing . Danke : ) who is Bob Lustig ? btw I am a Bandwagon Fan... He was with the Bills from their inception through the late 70s in a variety of roles, including being named GM in '67. Him and coach Harvey Johnson oversaw a cluster-F of football along the way and established a record of ineptitude unsurpassed since. And that's saying something when you consider the sheer amount of ineptitude by OTHER football administrations over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, K-9 said: He was with the Bills from their inception through the late 70s in a variety of roles, including being named GM in '67. Him and coach Harvey Johnson oversaw a cluster-F of football along the way and established a record of ineptitude unsurpassed since. And that's saying something when you consider the sheer amount of ineptitude by OTHER football administrations over the years. Thank you ! I always felt the Bills and Bills Fans have been a suffering bunch. You sharing a bit of History with us less experienced, and or younger folks is appreciated. seems we are just cursed after all. Go Bills !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 21, 2018 Share Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 2:53 PM, baskingridgebillsfan said: If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over. WOW you must lead a very sheltered existence if you think these guys are the worst Duo the Bills have had since back then & then if you think Pollian was bad i don't have any words for that !! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 3:53 PM, baskingridgebillsfan said: If you Factor in the descion to pass on Mahomes , the current state of the roster, the fact that they made a major investment in Allen , who is far from a sure thing, the jettisone of any player whith the slightest quirk in his personality this is the wost group to run the organization since Pollian took over. Nice thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 2:33 PM, Búfalo Blanco said: Go back and see how free agency played out... What bridge QBs were available at a decent price while also saving on the bloated cap they inherited..? Case Keenum? 2 years at 36 million with Denver. Yeah, that’ll help the horrible cap situation. You tell me, Mr. GM... BTW, those QBs would also have to WANT to play here, knowing they’d likely be replaced in a year by the young 1st round prospect. Keenum isn't a bridge qb, as far as Denver is concerned. Elway is protecting his legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 OP, it's ok to come back and say you were wrong. We'll accept you back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 5:25 PM, CLTbills said: I'm getting really tired of having to point out that BEANE WASNT HERE FOR THE 2017 DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He passed on Brady 7 times! Just now, joesixpack said: OP, it's ok to come back and say you were wrong. We'll accept you back. He'll be back after the next 20 point loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: He'll be back after the next 20 point loss. So he probably won't be back. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 Meant to stop in and check and see how this tire fire is doing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 21 minutes ago, joesixpack said: OP, it's ok to come back and say you were wrong. We'll accept you back. Yeah, come back. I want to laugh at you some more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 I just want to reiterate...good point, keep up the good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: Yeah, come back. I want to laugh at you some more. #metoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said: Meant to stop in and check and see how this tire fire is doing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 How do you nominate for post of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 7:32 AM, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think it’s close with 2009 (Jauron fired mid-season, Peters traded, Turk Schonert as the pop-gun offense/Trent Edwards no-huddle getting fired right before the season started, getting flicked off by Bud Adams in Tennessee) but Nix’s 2010 was the worst I’ve ever seen the Bills run organizationally. - 70-year old Nix chosen to be the GM after Ralph and Russ “scanned a list of names” and had him interview against John Guy. - Hiring Chan Gailey as Coach, who was out of football when Nix called. - Switched the defense to a 3-4, then spent the majority of the draft on players that fit that scheme. Troup, Carrington, Batten, Moats. - Traded Lynch for 5th Rounder - Extended Chris Kelsay and thought he could play outside linebacker. - Drafted Spiller 9th overall and he got 78 carries in his first year. - Kept Trent Edwards as the starting QB. - Signed Cornell Green to be the starting RT. - Signed worn out linebackers - Reggie Torbor, Akon Ayodele, Pierre Woods, Audra Davis to “teach” the 3-4 with George Edwards as DC. That 2009/2010 period we felt as rinky-dink as an organization as you could possibly be. ^^^^This. Only forgot to mention in your ? list of worn out LB’s credited to Nix, the name of Shawne Merriman, who was about as broke down and worn out as a recovering roids rage nut could be by the time Nix claimed him off the waivers scrap heap. His Wikipedia page is pure comedy gold when you get to the Bills era: Buffalo Bills (2010–12) Merriman was claimed off waivers by the Buffalo Bills the day after his release from the Chargers. On November 10, Merriman suffered an Achilles injury during his first workout with his new team. Subsequently, on November 27, the Bills placed Merriman on season-ending injury reserve. He signed a two-year contract extension worth $10.5 million with the Bills on January 1, 2011. The deal contained $5 million guaranteed, including $3 million of his 2012 salary. On October 25, 2011, Merriman was placed on Injured Reserve list for the second consecutive season after suffering a partially torn Achilles tendon. Merriman finished the season with nine tackles and a sack in five starts. During the 2012 offseason, Merriman was moved from outside linebacker to defensive end due to the switch of 3–4 to 4–3. On August 20, the team released Merriman. Merriman signed a contract to return to the Bills on October 15, 2012. Retirement On March 5, 2013, Merriman announced his retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 4:00 PM, John from Riverside said: I wonder if some realize how silly they look with this stuff The first managment group to even TAKE A TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS IN FIFTEEN YEARS Let that sink in for a second..... 17 but whatever and they got lucky the bills where not a playoff team with Tyrol Taylor nor would they have ever been. Clearly McBeane didn’t think so either since they have literally got rid of 75% of the playoff roster and by the end of 2019 I’m sure that % will be higher but I agree they aren’t as bad but they have made a lot of questionable moves and are going to kill the invested QB before he can ever develop I hope I am wrong but they have handled things extremely poorly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 LMAO !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Just now, GreggTX said: LMAO !!! X 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 6:02 PM, 3rdand12 said: That had me laughing . Danke : ) who is Bob Lustig ? btw I am a Bandwagon Fan... ...gotta be Booth's brother............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 Can we please lock this ridiculous thread and pretend it never existed? Also, feel free to ban the person who started it for life. Thanks mods! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 3:00 PM, John from Riverside said: I wonder if some realize how silly they look with this stuff The first managment group to even TAKE A TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS IN FIFTEEN YEARS Let that sink in for a second..... Which, again, is not a huge accomplishment and if they gutted the roster in a way no other regime did and then mess it up... could be the worst. Or they nail it and are the best. Verdicts out still but it’s not crazy to say it’s possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 9:02 PM, baskingridgebillsfan said: and now they are the worst team in the league . Plus they passed on Mahomes How can a GM pass on a player when he wasn't even the GM? On 9/20/2018 at 9:08 PM, baskingridgebillsfan said: finally a serious response. This topic was so bad, it didn't deserve serious responses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 4:07 PM, John from Riverside said: its NOT a legit conversation because there is not enough data to make a determination either way. I would argue that we are worse at nearly every position than what the FO inherited. I am growing skeptical of this FO. Things don’t add up well CURRENTLY. FA acquisitions have been bad, literally nothing is better than when they started. It’s not a passing on Mahomes issue. It’s an overall talent issue. That said, I don’t think this regime is THE WORST. Right now they haven’t done enough to be worse than Marv, Brandon, or TD. They do have some proving to do, because this team is in a bad spot talent wise. We are 3 years from being competitive and 5 from making a run at an AFC championship game or Super Bowl. Also: It really doesn’t help or add to any conversation when you call anybody who questions decisions, a troll. This isn’t reddit or FB, the legitimate troll issue really isn’t that high here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 On 9/20/2018 at 3:53 PM, baskingridgebillsfan said: jettisone Gone Baby Gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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