Our initial fears of Brian Daboll’s incompetence were not quelled after Week 1

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, corta765 said:

You need to read Cover 1's review of the game. DaBoll did what he could with his part a lot, the players execution failed and he relied on certain things like KB ISO routes to often. But the concepts in general were sound. He is going to get a lot of flak for an offense with no talent

 

Having now had my own all-22 access, I think it's a mixed bag.

 

I think the players' execution failed at times because they were being asked to execute situationally inappropriate plays or plays that were too "cute", things this group of guys are not physically gifted enough to be able to execute smoothly against top opponents. 

 

IMHO, if Daboll can't recognize what his guys can or can not do and game-plan to their strengths, it's not a sound concept.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Which will also mean that McD will not be the HC. He wont get a third crack at OC

He might....he was smart to not hang onto Dennison after year 1

[MAJBobby]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

He might....he was smart to not hang onto Dennison after year 1

 

And went and replaced him with a similar successful OC. 

 

Two OCs hired if they fail he will not survive to pick a third. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

And went and replaced him with a similar successful OC. 

 

Two OCs hired if they fail he will not survive to pick a third. 

You could totally be right.....but there is also the playoff birth in the 1st year.

 

I wonder if Pegula is tired of cycling out gms and coaches and wants to let them work.

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

You could totally be right.....but there is also the playoff birth in the 1st year.

 

I wonder if Pegula is tired of cycling out gms and coaches and wants to let them work.

 

Playoff birth means nothing this year. The team got worse. Yes I get it that was pary of the plan but the reality is McD is tied to Allen. He succeeds McD does. He doesnt he is fired. Daboll was the one McD chose to develop Allen

[Jauronimo]

11 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Please do not pretend to speak for everyone with "our" and "we".  Use terms like "me and myself and I".

Not my OC!!!!

[TwistofFate]

16 hours ago, White Linen said:

There isn't an offensive coordinator alive that can derive a game plan with Peterman, our WR's and O line.  

Apparently hall of fame Qb Kurt Warner felt differently.   

 

I will take Warners diagnosis and analysis over anything Daboll says or does. 

 

The offensive scheme was weak, predictable and ineffective. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Can't soar like an eagle when you're flying with turkeys.

 

 

[Herb]

18 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

" Daboll was so good in Cleveland ......... no strike that.  He was so good in Miami ...... wait no not there either.  He was so good at ... well... coaching Gronk.  If that doesn't deserve a shot destroying the highest draft pick we used on a QB in 20 years I don't know what does.  McDermott already proved he can't spot talent or coach offense last year.  We need a coaching staff that can coach both sides of the ball. "

 

 Two weeks...two starters. We saw a glimpse of this self-inflicted indecision last year with the benching of Tyrod for Peterman. A few days prior to last year's decision, McDermott reassured reporters with questions about the starting QB by saying that Taylor was "our guy". A few days later, after a loss, McDermott announces that Peterman will start against the Chargers, and that the entire team, (including Tyrod), were all in support of the decision and ready to move forward together as a unit. I even remember the announcers during the broadcast complimenting Tyrod for his professionalism. We all know what happened next. I honestly don't believe that this coaching staff has any idea how to recognize or utilize a QB's talents.

Edited September 13, 2018 by Herb
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[ColdFront_USAF]

10 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

My question is why are Beane and McD getting a pass for a situation they created themselves?

 

Because I think they did it with a long term goal in mind. They knew that in order to get rid of some of the players they didn't want, they were going to have to deal with the consequences left to them by the prior regime. They also didn't entirely create this situation, unless you are proposing a conspiracy theory involving Wood and Incognito retiring. Dareus was the biggest source of dead cap that they created themselves, and they obviously viewed the team as better without him. It was Whaleys contract that guaranteed him the money. 

[BigDingus]

I called it...It would take next to no time for people to start blaming the OC.

Can't wait until we get yet ANOTHER OC in here, even though our roster is crap & can't execute for s***. Need a scapegoat to blame!

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, ColdFront_USAF said:

 

Because I think they did it with a long term goal in mind. They knew that in order to get rid of some of the players they didn't want, they were going to have to deal with the consequences left to them by the prior regime. They also didn't entirely create this situation, unless you are proposing a conspiracy theory involving Wood and Incognito retiring. Dareus was the biggest source of dead cap that they created themselves, and they obviously viewed the team as better without him. It was Whaleys contract that guaranteed him the money. 

 

So they created this dead cap thing their selves. That is a fact. They also geeatly aided the talent void themselves yet another fact. So no sorry I am not giving them a pass. 

 

I understand Why they did it, but they did it and now to use it as an excuse and fans give them a pass for THIER plan is just asinine if you ask me. 

[ColdFront_USAF]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

So they created this dead cap thing their selves. That is a fact. They also geeatly aided the talent void themselves yet another fact. So no sorry I am not giving them a pass. 

 

I understand Why they did it, but they did it and now to use it as an excuse and fans give them a pass for THIER plan is just asinine if you ask me. 

 

That's a fair assessment. For me personally, I'm just reserving judgement for next year. I expect them to put together a competitive roster with all the cap space and draft picks available to them next year. If they can't do that, we'll get to enjoy the head coach/ gm hunt by the end of 2020. This season, I'm just looking for the development of Allen and Edmunds, maybe a few others. I guess we'll see. 

[smuvtalker]

23 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I disagree with this as this HC was able to get his team in the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and I doubt Pegs will pull the plug after only one losing season.

 

I think McD has three more years... unless of course, the Bills play all year like they did against the Ravens as I don't think any owner could take many of those 47-3 blowouts.

IMO, the only way I see McDermott getting 3 more years is if, a)we make it back to the playoffs, b)we at least post some 8-8 or 9-7 seasons, field a competitive team, and our draft picks show real promise.  Not necessarily all of those things combined, but it would earn him more time,  at least in my book. 

 

As thrilled as I was with us finally ending the drought last year, I think a great deal of people put too much stock in it, and maybe, just maybe McDermott got a little more credit than he was due.  Yes, we achieved a 9-7 record, but even with Dalton backdooring us into the postseason,  we had a pretty mediocre season by most standards.  

 

I can admit I'm not as high on McDermott as I was last year, but I can also admit my feelings are of a personal, emotional nature.  From the team coming out and looking as unprepared and undisciplined as I've ever seen them, to McD twice now making a decision to trot out a QB who actually makes Chad Pennington look like a rifle-armed QB, and not really wanting to hold himself accountable for the loss...those are the things that have personally dampened my view of him.  However, I'm more than willing to stand behind him and see how this season turns out.  But given the Pegula's nature, I'd bet a dismal season this year, followed by a losing season at the mid-point of next year, and McD just may find himself brushing up that resume....just in case.

[BuffaloHokie13]

I will be interested to see if things change now that he has a QB that can back the defense off a bit. I suspect that the Chargers will try to bring a lot of pressure early, as that's generally the case when facing a rookie QB until they prove they can beat it. Ease them off with some screens and quick slants. Then get the run game going. Then beat them over the top with some nice play action. We shall see. I think game planning will be easier with Allen under center, but ultimately it will still come down to the players executing the plays.

[reddogblitz]

18 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

After Mike Leach goes undefeated at Washington State,blowing out opponents one after another, we should beg him to be our OC, maybe even our HC.

 

Gotta get past the Ducks and the Dawgs. Apple Cup at home should help. Go Wazoo!

[Nihilarian]

12 hours ago, smuvtalker said:

IMO, the only way I see McDermott getting 3 more years is if, a)we make it back to the playoffs, b)we at least post some 8-8 or 9-7 seasons, field a competitive team, and our draft picks show real promise.  Not necessarily all of those things combined, but it would earn him more time,  at least in my book. 

 

As thrilled as I was with us finally ending the drought last year, I think a great deal of people put too much stock in it, and maybe, just maybe McDermott got a little more credit than he was due.  Yes, we achieved a 9-7 record, but even with Dalton backdooring us into the postseason,  we had a pretty mediocre season by most standards.  

 

I can admit I'm not as high on McDermott as I was last year, but I can also admit my feelings are of a personal, emotional nature.  From the team coming out and looking as unprepared and undisciplined as I've ever seen them, to McD twice now making a decision to trot out a QB who actually makes Chad Pennington look like a rifle-armed QB, and not really wanting to hold himself accountable for the loss...those are the things that have personally dampened my view of him.  However, I'm more than willing to stand behind him and see how this season turns out.  But given the Pegula's nature, I'd bet a dismal season this year, followed by a losing season at the mid-point of next year, and McD just may find himself brushing up that resume....just in case.

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I'm starting to change my mind about this regime also and the more I think about allowing that rookie to play behind one of the very worst offensive line ever fielded by the Buffalo Bills. The more I want to see an offensive minded HC and a GM with the smarts to build a power O line like the old (1989) and new ( two years ago before all the injuries) Cowboys line or even as good as the Bills line was when they went to the super bowl.  

 

These defensive minded coaches just don't get that you need a really good offensive line to start with ...which means build the lines first. 

[Ol Dirty B]

On 9/12/2018 at 9:04 AM, billsfan1959 said:

I will reserve judgment on Daboll. I'm not sure anyone could have done much better with the offensive talent that was on the field last Sunday.

 

Sort of like commissioning Michelangelo to paint the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel - and then giving him paint brushes without any bristles...

 

Not really because Michelangelo was a genius and invented methods in much more complicated fields to solve problems. He essentially did that. Almost 500 years later and they're still talking about him.

 

Daboll has failed everywhere he has been and will be forgotten in 10 years. Awful analogy.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

21 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I will be interested to see if things change now that he has a QB that can back the defense off a bit. I suspect that the Chargers will try to bring a lot of pressure early, as that's generally the case when facing a rookie QB until they prove they can beat it. Ease them off with some screens and quick slants. Then get the run game going. Then beat them over the top with some nice play action. We shall see. I think game planning will be easier with Allen under center, but ultimately it will still come down to the players executing the plays.

time will tell.  Hopefully sooner than later 

[billsfan1959]

6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Not really because Michelangelo was a genius and invented methods in much more complicated fields to solve problems. He essentially did that. Almost 500 years later and they're still talking about him.

 

Daboll has failed everywhere he has been and will be forgotten in 10 years. Awful analogy.

That was the point: Not sure even a genius could have done much with the talent and execution on the field last Sunday. Awful comprehension.

[SoCal Deek]

Michelangelo? The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle? 

[Ol Dirty B]

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

That was the point: Not sure even a genius could have done much with the talent and execution on the field last Sunday. Awful comprehension.

 

The point is Daboll has never proven to be a genius, or successful. Michealangelo pretty much over came the exact same thing you said he couldn't. 

 

It's nothing about comprehension. Then you saying my post made your point when I said no one will remember Daboll in 20 years, then why are you attempting to poorly make your poor point?

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

The point is Daboll has never proven to be a genius, or successful. Michealangelo pretty much over came the exact same thing you said he couldn't. 

 

It's nothing about comprehension. Then you saying my post made your point when I said no one will remember Daboll in 20 years, then why are you attempting to poorly make your poor point?

The post was not about Daboll. Why are you always so angry and aggressive in your posts?

[Jerome007]

On 9/13/2018 at 8:47 AM, ColdFront_USAF said:

 

That's a fair assessment. For me personally, I'm just reserving judgement for next year. I expect them to put together a competitive roster with all the cap space and draft picks available to them next year. If they can't do that, we'll get to enjoy the head coach/ gm hunt by the end of 2020. This season, I'm just looking for the development of Allen and Edmunds, maybe a few others. I guess we'll see. 

My rational take too. The eagle's view approach. And I agree. But of course, come Sunday, it'll be all about winning NOW, great plays, seeing Allen crush it, foaming at the mouth and all that LOL

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Jerome007 said:

My rational take too. The eagle's view approach. And I agree. But of course, come Sunday, it'll be all about winning NOW, great plays, seeing Allen crush it, foaming at the mouth and all that LOL

 

Yeah some people just can't turn that gameday guy off.

 

[ColdFront_USAF]

12 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

My rational take too. The eagle's view approach. And I agree. But of course, come Sunday, it'll be all about winning NOW, great plays, seeing Allen crush it, foaming at the mouth and all that LOL

 

Yeah that's exactly how I feel. Of course I'm disappointed when we lose, and it's hard to separate my hopes and dreams for this team from the reality that rebuilding tends to suck. I hope Allen progresses this season, learns from the mistakes he will inevitably make, and comes in ready to roll next year with a handful of new lineman and some shiny new weapons for him to play with. 

[John from Riverside]

Im willing to give Debol the season to see if his offensive schemes work.......

 

If he truly is good....every once in a while this season he is gonna be able to make chicken dinner out of chicken doo doo

Edited September 15, 2018 by John from Riverside

[SouthNYfan]

23 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

My rational take too. The eagle's view approach. And I agree. But of course, come Sunday, it'll be all about winning NOW, great plays, seeing Allen crush it, foaming at the mouth and all that LOL

 

23 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Yeah some people just can't turn that gameday guy off.

 

 

Very true.

I don't actively root to lose, but if we do lose, I am okay with it and see the upside to it this season.

I also feel that some people can't turn that game day guy off ever, and think that people with me mentality of "if we lose it's actually a positive as long as we lose a lot this season" as being negative.

It's not negative, it's just being realistic and accepting that a team that has been inept for so long isn't a prime destination for free agents, even if they gaveea decent season or two in a row, and the best way to get top flight talent currently is through high draft picks.

[26TrapDraw]

On 9/12/2018 at 6:32 AM, Soda Popinski said:

i agree with this.   It's hard to accomplish anything when you have no pass protection and cannot establish any kind of running game.   

Nothing more than this needs to be said. Good Post.

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

Kind of quick to jump down Daboll's throat don't yah think. This will be another tough test and without a working run game we were dead ducks against a top defense.

[Boatdrinks]

Daboll has a lot to prove, and can’t exactly rest on his past successes. He hasn’t earned the benefit of the doubt. Josh Allen will make or break his career. Other teams, namely the Eagles, have given a blueprint of how to develop a talent like Allen. While there are differences with Wentz and Allen , the skill set is similar. The passing concepts used with Wentz and even Foles ( especially in the SB) are exactly the sort of thing Daboll should do with Allen. The limitations of Peterman are more than obvious at this point. Fans will have to see what sort of game plan Daboll comes up with for Allen before his skills as an OC can be assessed.

[DJB]

Outside of that one great wr end around the play calling is not very innovative and it looked very predictable.  Also can we get some slants or short outs? Maybe a WR screen? A RB draw?  Why are the wr all run in straight down the field on every passing play?

Edited September 17, 2018 by DJB

[LABILLBACKER]

9 minutes ago, DJB said:

Outside of that one great wr end around the play calling is not very innovative and it looked very predictable.  Also can we get some slants or short outs? Maybe a WR screen? A RB draw?  Why are the wr all run in straight down the field on every passing play?

The route tree looks like a telephone pole....

[BillsFan130]

Daboll sucked again today IMO.

 

Not impressed at all so far 

[#34fan]

On ‎9‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 5:39 AM, Wayne Arnold said:

We all wanted to believe that Daboll’s putrid tenure as NFL OC was due to poor personnel.

 

While watching the game on Sunday I was disappointed by the lack of imagination/creativity and struck by how seldom the receivers were able to get open - which is a strong indication of scheme issues as much as it is (or perhaps more than) wide receiver talent limitation.

 

Kurt Warner and Doug Farrar have confirmed my fears that Daboll might in fact stink.

 

 

 

Frazier will get corn-holed first, but the rest won't be able to hide their ineptitude... These idiots had one throw-away year (their first year) to tank without any judgement... We would have all happily blamed Whaley and Rex... Now, It's all on McBeandip, an they've got nowhere to go...

[QCity]

Stop running your QB off-tackle.

[The Process]

On 9/12/2018 at 9:07 AM, BillsRdue said:

or a ladder. 

Well at least he has a high ceiling......

On 9/14/2018 at 8:36 AM, billsfan1959 said:

The post was not about Daboll. Why are you always so angry and aggressive in your posts?

Seems to be rampant here.....it's loss derangement syndrome.??

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...Daboll incompetence is way over the top IMO this early on......but some of the more astute posters here have identified the complexities of his schemes....similar posts about Castillo's schemes.......on the flip side, Leslie does NOT know how to scheme, draw up a formidable game plan or adjust to counter punch.....may not have the greatest personnel in the world, but Schwartz came in with a scheme in mind and quickly adjusted with positive results.....where the hell is McD on all of this?.....isn't he the Big Dawg in charge?......with plenty of player newness (Shady being the exception), how can complexity be beneficial?...and please do NOT use that dreaded, effin' "P" word......

Edited September 22, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Wayne Arnold]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...Daboll incompetence is way over the top IMO this early on......but some of the more astute posters here have identified the complexities of his schemes....similar posts about Castillo's schemes.......on the flip side, Leslie does NOT know how to scheme, draw up a formidable game plan or adjust to counter punch.....may not have the greatest personnel in the world, but Schwartz came in with a scheme in mind and quickly adjusted with positive results.....where the hell is McD on all of this?.....isn't he the Big Dawg in charge?......with plenty of player newness (Shady being the exception), how can complexity be beneficial?...and please do NOT use that dreaded, effin' "P" word......

 

Yeah I started this thread but I though Daboll called a much better game against the Chargers. Saw far more open receivers and gave Allen opportunities to move the ball and score touchdowns. Unfortunately, having a raw rookie at QB is going to result in frustrating growing pains.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 9/15/2018 at 10:23 AM, buffalobloodfloridahome said:

Kind of quick to jump down Daboll's throat don't yah think. This will be another tough test and without a working run game we were dead ducks against a top defense.

 

Well Hey Y'all.  No working run game, Watch This

5 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Yeah I started this thread but I though Daboll called a much better game against the Chargers. Saw far more open receivers and gave Allen opportunities to move the ball and score touchdowns. Unfortunately, having a raw rookie at QB is going to result in frustrating growing pains.

 

He actually did call a good passing game.  There were open receivers Allen didn't see on several plays.

Here's hoping he fixes the run game and Go Bills!