Michael Lombardi: Start Josh Allen; 'Ridiculous' to play Nate Peterman because offensive line stinks

[Starr Almighty]

After Josh Allen struggled against the Cincinnati Bengals Sunday at New Era Field, some experts said the Buffalo Bills should pull the reins back a bit with the rookie gunslinger and turn to Nathan Peterman at quarterback to start the season.

Former NFL executive and Ringer podcast host Michael Lombardi said that's "ridiculous."

"To me the most ridiculous thing I ever heard is they should play Peterman because the line's not good," Lombardi said on Monday's episode of the "GM Street" podcast. "But the line isn't gonna be good for him either. ... Is the line gonna get any better because Nate Peterman's playing? The line stinks, it doesn't matter who plays quarterback.

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/08/michael_lombardi_ridiculous_to_play_nate_peterman_line_stinks_start_josh_allen.amp

 

 

He has a point.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Starr Almighty

[bmur66]

Sacrifice the least valuable first

[26CornerBlitz]

Posted the link in another thread yesterday, His point makes sense to me. 

[cd1]

1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said:

After Josh Allen struggled against the Cincinnati Bengals Sunday at New Era Field, some experts said the Buffalo Bills should pull the reins back a bit with the rookie gunslinger and turn to Nathan Peterman at quarterback to start the season.

Former NFL executive and Ringer podcast host Michael Lombardi said that's "ridiculous."

"To me the most ridiculous thing I ever heard is they should play Peterman because the line's not good," Lombardi said on Monday's episode of the "GM Street" podcast. "But the line isn't gonna be good for him either. ... Is the line gonna get any better because Nate Peterman's playing? The line stinks, it doesn't matter who plays quarterback.

 

Ummmm - YES. 

 

The reason being that if you can get in and out of the huddle faster to allow more time to read and make adjustments to the line pre-snap THEN get the ball out QUICKER - THOSE things minimize the defects of the terribly offensive, offensive line.

[Starr Almighty]

7 minutes ago, cd1 said:

 

Ummmm - YES. 

 

The reason being that if you can get in and out of the huddle faster to allow more time to read and make adjustments to the line pre-snap THEN get the ball out QUICKER - THOSE things minimize the defects of the terribly offensive, offensive line.

Why can't Allen be coached into getting out of the huddle quicker? He acknowledged in his press conference after the Cincy game that he needs to do just that.

[RochesterRob]

15 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

After Josh Allen struggled against the Cincinnati Bengals Sunday at New Era Field, some experts said the Buffalo Bills should pull the reins back a bit with the rookie gunslinger and turn to Nathan Peterman at quarterback to start the season.

Former NFL executive and Ringer podcast host Michael Lombardi said that's "ridiculous."

"To me the most ridiculous thing I ever heard is they should play Peterman because the line's not good," Lombardi said on Monday's episode of the "GM Street" podcast. "But the line isn't gonna be good for him either. ... Is the line gonna get any better because Nate Peterman's playing? The line stinks, it doesn't matter who plays quarterback.

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/08/michael_lombardi_ridiculous_to_play_nate_peterman_line_stinks_start_josh_allen.amp

 

 

He has a point.

  As others have said in other threads I don't think that Josh is up to NFL speed just yet.  Only the coaches know how he responds to frustration but odds are a few bad outings will impede his overall progress.  Yeah, I know the Manning Boys and others were thrown to the wolves and rounded into top QB's but more just wear down to where they lose confidence long term.  It's not going to be a run to the SB this year so lets develop guys including the 2018 rookie class.

[Flip Johnson]

Rob Johnson's offensive line was terrible. It didn't get good for Flutie - he just hid it with mobility and quicker decisions.

 

Even with Glenn-Incognito-Wood, this team's pass protection has not been good in a long time. Tyrod just masked that.

 

[Heavy Kevi]

His point, well, misses the point.

 

It's not about this year, not about Peterman making the line better, or anything like that.

 

It's about not ruining Josh. He's a fancy sports car and we shouldn't put him in there to plow the driveway.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

21 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Sacrifice the least valuable first

I agree with this

[Cash]

Lombardi's  opinion is meaningless and garbage.

[Ramza86]

Josh would hit the ground 20 times a game. 

 

More times you get sacked/knocked down. More chances you get hurt. 

 

Thats why Mr. Lombardi.

[cd1]

3 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Why can't Allen be coached into getting out of the huddle quicker? He acknowledged in his press conference after the Cincy game that he needs to do just that.

 

Allen does just fine (for the most part). He just got rattled last week.  He will learn.

 

One of Nate's biggest assets is his ability to quickly read a defense and make adjustments. Nate's weak arm is his downfall. I think Nate will make for an excellent backup QB and a very good mentor in teaching Josh to "speed read" the defense. 

 

Personally, I think it would be great to let Josh play the whole game tomorrow night. The kid has got everything it will take to be our franchise guy. He just needs enough experience playing at the NFL level. To be able to play in a game where they are not sending out the wolves, he will get experience in more things than picking grass out of his teeth.

 

Make no mistake, Josh is our guy. He just needs some time to get up to speed.

 

IMHO

 

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, Shotgunner said:

His point, well, misses the point.

 

It's not about this year, not about Peterman making the line better, or anything like that.

 

It's about not ruining Josh. He's a fancy sports car and we shouldn't put him in there to plow the driveway.

  The writer is talking about using him like a dump truck.  Just pop the trunk open on the 'Vette" known as Josh Allen and have the loader pour the gravel in.

[Heavy Kevi]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  The writer is talking about using him like a dump truck.  Just pop the trunk open on the 'Vette" known as Josh Allen and have the loader pour the gravel in.

 

For real.

 

Gotta look at the macro. Anyone focusing solely on this upcoming year when making that decision just isn't paying attention.

 

No thanks to getting Josh killed in a year where we aren't real contenders anyway.

[SouthNYfan]

5 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:

His point, well, misses the point.

 

It's not about this year, not about Peterman making the line better, or anything like that.

 

It's about not ruining Josh. He's a fancy sports car and we shouldn't put him in there to plow the driveway.

 

I've said this before.

Josh is the fancy new sportscar.

Nate is the cheap winter beater you drive when the weather sucks.

Nathan Beaterman.

[hondo in seattle]

28 minutes ago, cd1 said:

 

Ummmm - YES. 

 

The reason being that if you can get in and out of the huddle faster to allow more time to read and make adjustments to the line pre-snap THEN get the ball out QUICKER - THOSE things minimize the defects of the terribly offensive, offensive line.

 

Agreed.  Peterman makes the line look better by making better pre-snap reads and faster decisions & throws.  

 

But I also agree with Lombardi that Peterman shouldn't start because the line is horrible.  He should start because he's done the best job behind that horrible line.  

 

I began this year saying that AJ is the present, Allen is the future, and Peterman is the odd man out.  But I don't know how we can ignore the preseason.  So far the offense works best when Peterman is under center.   

 

Allen, on the other hand, has shown potential.  I think he ought to be the starter once he shows he can consistently make quick, good decisions with the ball.   That may be later this season but it's not today.

[Ennjay]

39 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

 Yeah, I know the Manning Boys and others were thrown to the wolves . . .

 

Actually, Eli did NOT start until later in his rookie year.  The Giants started what they thought was a washed-up Kurt Warner until Eli was ready for NFL speed AND their O-line had "gelled" enough to protect him a little.  (They let Warner go and he went to the Super Bowl with AZ.)

 

The Giants did the same thing with Joe Pisarcik and Phil Simms in Simms' rookie year.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Ennjay
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[TheElectricCompany]

Your best player has to play. 

If Allen is the better player, he needs to start, period. 

The OL should have nothing to do with it. 

Edited August 29, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[Tatonka68]

Whats worse, Allen taking 5 sacks in the 1st half or Petermen throwing 5 interceptions in the 1st half. Petermen followers state it was only 1 game, well it was only one game for Allen. Bottom line is the O-line sucks.

Edited August 29, 2018 by Tatonka68

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, Ennjay said:

 

Actually, Eli did NOT start until later in his rookie year.  The Giants started what they thought was a washed-up Kurt Warner until Eli was ready for NFL speed AND their O-line had "gelled" enough to protect him a little.  (They let Warner go and he went to the Super Bowl with AZ.)

 

The Giants did the same thing with Joe Pisarcik and Phil Simms in Simms' rookie year.

  You're right and that point was just made recently.  The central point I was making was that far more QB's wash out when thrown to the wolves than thrive.  The 93 degree temp at present is affecting my memory.

Edited August 29, 2018 by RochesterRob

[BillsFan17]

Peterman has shown the ability to process a little faster, in turn, yes the line won't be as exposed.

[Dablitzkrieg]

41 minutes ago, Cash said:

Lombardi's  opinion is meaningless and garbage.

Care to expand on this profound assertion?

[transplantbillsfan]

But if he gets absolutely mauled in year 1, will there be a long term impact?

 

That's really the issue.

 

Now, on the flip side, I also think Allen mitigates some of those OL problems with his athleticism and stature.

 

Gonna be an interesting decision. Fascinating it hasn't been made yet.

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

But if he gets absolutely mauled in year 1, will there be a long term impact?

 

That's really the issue.

 

Now, on the flip side, I also think Allen mitigates some of those OL problems with his athleticism and stature.

 

Gonna be an interesting decision. Fascinating it hasn't been made yet.

 

Probably more like it hasn't been announced, but they likely already have made a decision.

[brianthomas]

49 minutes ago, Shotgunner said:

His point, well, misses the point.

 

It's not about this year, not about Peterman making the line better, or anything like that.

 

It's about not ruining Josh. He's a fancy sports car and we shouldn't put him in there to plow the driveway.

I get your logic & i might even agree with it. But thats like saying you bought a ferrari & leave it in the garage because youre afraid it might get damaged... well why did you buy a ferrari then? You made the investment to go out & get it, it serves you no use to just let it sit in the garage. Youre never gonna learn how to drive unless you get behind the wheel imo.

Generalized statements on how to handle a rookie qb aside. I think what direction you go in with regards to Josh depends on what you see out of him with the reps he gets. If he looks like he can handle the pressure & remain poised & in control of himself, then throw him out there.

I think if Josh feels like the coaches are afraid to put him out there because he might start doubting himself, that in turn could help make him doubt himself too. It goes both ways imo.

[cd1]

7 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

I get your logic & i might even agree with it. But thats like saying you bought a ferrari & leave it in the garage because youre afraid it might get damaged... well why did you buy a ferrari then? You made the investment to go out & get it, it serves you no use to just let it sit in the garage. Youre never gonna learn how to drive unless you get behind the wheel imo.

Generalized statements on how to handle a rookie qb aside. I think what direction you go in with regards to Josh depends on what you see out of him with the reps he gets. If he looks like he can handle the pressure & remain poised & in control of himself, then throw him out there.

I think if Josh feels like the coaches are afraid to put him out there because he might start doubting himself, that in turn could help make him doubt himself too. It goes both ways imo.

 

Sorry, that is a poor analogy.

 

If you buy an expensive sports car and expose it to the elements, you can't afford that sports car!

 

BTW - My cousin bought a pony once and brought it home in the back seat of his Cadillac convertible-  true story!

[Sweats]

We’ve got a long rich history of ruining QB’s.......in fact, you could stack their failures like cord wood, however, if the FO is serious about our rookie being our franchise QB of the future, then fix the friggin o-line.

[Figster]

10 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

But if he gets absolutely mauled in year 1, will there be a long term impact?

 

That's really the issue.

 

Now, on the flip side, I also think Allen mitigates some of those OL problems with his athleticism and stature.

 

Gonna be an interesting decision. Fascinating it hasn't been made yet.

Myself personally transplant,  and pure speculation mind you on my part.

 

I think McD had already made his mind up about how he wanted Allens development to go and it doesn't include opening up the season against the Ravens. 

 

Preseason game 3 was a good example why...

[Jobot]

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

After Josh Allen struggled against the Cincinnati Bengals Sunday at New Era Field, some experts said the Buffalo Bills should pull the reins back a bit with the rookie gunslinger and turn to Nathan Peterman at quarterback to start the season.

Former NFL executive and Ringer podcast host Michael Lombardi said that's "ridiculous."

"To me the most ridiculous thing I ever heard is they should play Peterman because the line's not good," Lombardi said on Monday's episode of the "GM Street" podcast. "But the line isn't gonna be good for him either. ... Is the line gonna get any better because Nate Peterman's playing? The line stinks, it doesn't matter who plays quarterback.

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/08/michael_lombardi_ridiculous_to_play_nate_peterman_line_stinks_start_josh_allen.amp

 

 

He has a point.

 

It's not ridiculous if you're able to think big picture..

 

Allen is a gun slinger, his style of play is gonna get him destroyed behind this line... Peterman is a game manager, he'll get the ball out quickly and take what the defenses give him.

[TheElectricCompany]

18 minutes ago, Jobot said:

Peterman is a game manager

He has a long ways to go before he even sniffs that title. 

 

 

Edited August 29, 2018 by TheElectricCompany

[Chris66]

Allen isnt the Ferrari. The Bills couldnt afford that. He is the kit car that looks like a sport car that takes 2 years to build in your garage.

[Sweats]

15 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What QBs did we ruin? 

 

Perhaps their game just didn't translate to the NFL for whatever reason.... if Allen fails I'm sure you'll be saying the same thing even though he is widely regarded as a raw project at the position.

 

 

I never said he’d fail, kid.......I said fix the o-line.

 

Yer reaching, son

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I've said this before.

Josh is the fancy new sportscar.

Nate is the cheap winter beater you drive when the weather sucks.

Nathan Beaterman.

Yup.  Or as my husband so "eloquently" put it... Nate's expendable.

[C.Biscuit97]

He also drafted Mingo 6th overall and had one of the worst drafts in recent memory. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Flip Johnson said:

Rob Johnson's offensive line was terrible. It didn't get good for Flutie - he just hid it with mobility and quicker decisions.

 

Even with Glenn-Incognito-Wood, this team's pass protection has not been good in a long time. Tyrod just masked that.

 

So true. The goal this season should be get Allen & Peterman experience without them getting killed. Lots of 3 step drops and shorter routes. We won't have the luxury of calling too many fly routes. Lots of screens and slants. Next year is when we'll draft and sign several olineman. OBD don't screw this up by sending JA out there too soon. Start AJ, then NP. If by some act of God the oline improves, send Josh out there sometime late in the season.

Edited August 29, 2018 by LABILLBACKER

[C.Biscuit97]

30 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What QBs did we ruin? 

 

Perhaps their game just didn't translate to the NFL for whatever reason.... if Allen fails I'm sure you'll be saying the same thing even though he is widely regarded as a raw project at the position.

Odds are EJ and JP were never going to be franchise qb.  But the Bills did everything in their power to make sure they didn’t.

 

i hear this yesterday that a lot of qbs are ruined rather than made.  Allen needs to sit. 

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Yup.  Or as my husband so "eloquently" put it... Nate's expendable.

 

It's just a cold hard fact...............but it's true.

I already told SouthNYfan what a great analogy he made.

 

[Boatdrinks]

You play Peterman precisely because the O line is terrible. The big picture for this team and FO is Josh Allen. There is little to be gained playing him in front of a porous offensive line. There is much to be lost, such as Allen’s availability for the balance of the season. Peterman hardly has a wealth of experience to bring to the table, so you don’t play him for that. If injured it doesn’t hurt you too much. You have a similar QB in McCarron. The Oline is capable ( probably) of improving through repetition and maybe some reshuffling. It’s a work in progress at best. If they can get their act together, we may see Allen start sooner than later. He’ll likely be more prepared after 4-6 games and the line may be closer to acceptable. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Ennjay said:

 

Actually, Eli did NOT start until later in his rookie year.  The Giants started what they thought was a washed-up Kurt Warner until Eli was ready for NFL speed AND their O-line had "gelled" enough to protect him a little.  (They let Warner go and he went to the Super Bowl with AZ.)

 

The Giants did the same thing with Joe Pisarcik and Phil Simms in Simms' rookie year.

 

 

No that's not what they did.  They started the guy with proven success and experience.  The Bills don't have that on the roster.

 

Peterman's experience as a starter was a disaster and that's all he has on his resume. 

 

If only they started NP anfianst Cincy for a half and, after he got lit up, this would be more easy on the members of the board to accept that this is the NFL and the #7 QB pick starts.  That's how it's been done in this league when you aren't drafting high in the first round with a SB winning QB already on the roster.

[BigDingus]

2 hours ago, Starr Almighty said:

After Josh Allen struggled against the Cincinnati Bengals Sunday at New Era Field, some experts said the Buffalo Bills should pull the reins back a bit with the rookie gunslinger and turn to Nathan Peterman at quarterback to start the season.

Former NFL executive and Ringer podcast host Michael Lombardi said that's "ridiculous."

"To me the most ridiculous thing I ever heard is they should play Peterman because the line's not good," Lombardi said on Monday's episode of the "GM Street" podcast. "But the line isn't gonna be good for him either. ... Is the line gonna get any better because Nate Peterman's playing? The line stinks, it doesn't matter who plays quarterback.

https://articles.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2018/08/michael_lombardi_ridiculous_to_play_nate_peterman_line_stinks_start_josh_allen.amp

 

 

He has a point.

 

 

He also says "If you put Peterman out there he might get killed, Josh Allen might have to play after two plays. Until they get the line better it doesn't really matter who's playing quarterback."

Exactly...and who wants to see our rookie QB "get killed" before it's absolutely necessary? Has he ever heard of David Carr? There are countless other QB's that were thrown to the wolves & became completely ruined for doing so. I'd rather not watch our 1st round pick rack up 5+ sacks a game while running for his life.