What if Allen isn't good tommorow?

[wppete]

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 hours ago, Steptide said:

I was thinking more like 2 interceptions, 2 sacks and goes 8 of 20 for 55 yards. 

 

Cross that bridge when we get there. I don’t think it’s happening. Even if it does it’s not even close to the worst we’ve seen from the rest of the depth chart. 

[GoodHands15]

Part of me almost wants to see him throw a pick. To see how he handles himself. The thing about Allen is the arm strength is to the point where he’ll never be able to doubt whether or not he can “make that throw” which I feel is what leads to gunshy damaged QBs and compounding errors... late throws due to indecisiveness throw at 70 mph still have a shot to get there...much better than late lame ducks. 

 

Plus...you know Daboll gonna dial up a play action bomb after INT #1.

 

As long as his mechanics keep going the way they are going...I will be more than happy to accept the risky homerun seeking turnovers I think we’ll see from Allen.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2018 by GoodHands15

[SouthNYfan]

If he isn't good then he isn't good.

for a game.

it's one game.

just like he's only played less than 1 full game and played well, we shouldn't anoint him king of all QBs ever just yet.

it's one game.

QBs have good games, they have bad games.

there is zero verdict on him for a very long time.

[MAJBobby]

12 hours ago, Steptide said:

I'm as excited as the next guy for Allen to win the starting job. I'm also a Peterman advocate, and am 100% comfortable with him starting if need be. 

 

If Allen fails tomorrow though, are we back at square one with McCarron, Peterman and Allen? I'd like to think no, but listening to media this week, there seems to be this narrative that it's Allen's job to lose and I'm not so sure. 

I spelled tomorrow wrong. Oops 

 

If Allen doesnt check the box that needed to be checked then he continues his development 

[GoodHands15]

2-3TDs 1INT 198yds

[Domdab99]

Seriously, he's going to have to exhibit a Peterman-esque type of performance with 4 or 5 picks in order for me to think that, yeah, maybe he needs to ride the bench for a bit. Other than that happening, I'm good with Josh Allen as our starter. 

[The Frankish Reich]

If he looks poised in his preseason debut as the number 1 QB, we can rest assured that we’ve found our franchise guy. Just like the last time:

https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/nfl-past-preseason-hype-series-ej-manuel-2013/

 

Even more so if he performs reasonably well in the real season opener:

https://nesn.com/2013/09/patriots-defense-was-impressive-containing-ej-manuel-but-rookie-quarterback-showed-poise-in-nfl-debut/

Edited August 26, 2018 by The Frankish Reich

[JohninMinn.]

Three letters A C L 

 

I got "wide right" PTSD

[dollars 2 donuts]

11 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...know it well...LOL....deja vu circa 2017, right?.....when your passing game is LESS impotent than OTAG, forfeit....I did.............

 

 

OT, not talking about a season's worth or even a full game.  Just a little more than a half. It is Darnold's job in NY, with two other good qbs, and he was 8-16 for 1 td in the third game.

[Big Blitz]

15 hours ago, Steptide said:

but listening to media this week,

 

 

Don't do that.  

[Doc Brown]

We have a porous o-line and WR's who have trouble creating separation.  Josh Allen should feel right at home tomorrow.

[ganesh]

14 hours ago, Batman1876 said:

If he does poorly it means he has room to grow before taking the starting job. Once he starts he needs to stay in, the worst thing we could do is the start him, bench him yo-yo approach.  So I'd rather know that he's not ready tomorrow as opposed to during the regular season.

 

I also don't want him to start if he is going to be pressured on 95% of drop backs.  We don't need to get him hurt, or turn him into Carr.  I still remember Trent Edwards before he was murdered by the Cards, he was a real QB but after that he was Trentative. Don't need to risk Allen learning to play afraid, although he doesn't seem to be the type to become a fearful fearing player.

Or on the flip side, him being the most mobile of the 3 QBs, may give us the best shot with this (possibly) crappy OL.   Additionally, the fact that he can keep defense honest by throwing deep may give enough breathing room for Shady.  

 

When Manuel was the starting QB, the DB's dared him to throw by crowding the LoS and stopping the run.  Manuel failed.   Will Allen deliver on that promise.    While our philosophy (overall) may be the run setting up the pass (and protecting the confidence of the rookie),  Allen would have to threaten with the deep pass so as to allow the run game to flourish.

[26CornerBlitz]

8 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

narc

 and how do you know " dog " is not allegorical . #itsGugny for gosh sakes !

but he has a dislocated pinky.

maybe comes cheap ?

I do not think anyone here has access to the sacred documents that detail

 The Process.
 Good question though.

 

The Process needs to have a talk with the OP @Steptide regarding BBFS.

 

 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

I’m terrified he’s gonna poop it up. I really hope he doesn’t man.

[Steptide]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The Process needs to have a talk with the OP @Steptide regarding BBFS.

 

 

I still don't even know what the process is. I also know this thread will get bumped the second Allen makes a big play. I'm rooting for him. I'm just curious as to what the coaching staff does if he is bad today 

Edited August 26, 2018 by Steptide

[PlayoffsPlease]

7 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

If he isn't good then he isn't good.

for a game.

it's one game.

just like he's only played less than 1 full game and played well, we shouldn't anoint him king of all QBs ever just yet.

it's one game.

QBs have good games, they have bad games.

there is zero verdict on him for a very long time.

There have been verdicts on him since high school.  Among his recent verdicts were being considered good enough to be the 7th pick overall in the draft. Another recent verdict is being named starter for the dress rehearsal preseason game. Next verdict will be whether the people he works for think he qualified to start the first regular season game.

[The Process]

20 hours ago, Steptide said:

I'm as excited as the next guy for Allen to win the starting job. I'm also a Peterman advocate, and am 100% comfortable with him starting if need be. 

 

If Allen fails tomorrow though, are we back at square one with McCarron, Peterman and Allen? I'd like to think no, but listening to media this week, there seems to be this narrative that it's Allen's job to lose and I'm not so sure. 

I spelled tomorrow wrong. Oops 

If Josh fails today it's one game...or half a game. Don't panic. He won't though so it's a moot point.

[greeneblitz]

Josh Allen should be the permanent starter no matter what, if one bad game disqualifies you, Peterman basically had the worst one in NFL history.

[aristocrat]

If he’s not good our next few years will be painful 

[BuffaloRush]

Probably means Peterman starts the season

[LB3]

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

very much like this lol

 

: )

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, aristocrat said:

If he’s not good our next few years will be painful 

 

...not if he dosen't make the final 53, right??.............

[IDBillzFan]

On 8/25/2018 at 8:18 AM, SMAKCruiser said:

 

What are these from?

 

A special place in hell that also created the phrase "meh."

[Beast]

What if Allen isn’t good tomorrow?

 

Well, I expect him to have bad game so......whatever. The good will outweigh the bad.

[Nihilarian]

17 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

I’d argue that the QB’ s you mentioned ( Bills fans likely haven’t forgotten) weren’t that good to begin with. While they had some physical abilities , we know it’s the difficult to measure mental acumen that was lacking. As well as the intestinal fortitude. Sure, some may have experienced measured success in a perfect scenario behind a fortress OL. We also know a different QB can look just fine behind a mediocre line. Flutie / Johnson comes to mind. If Allen is ready to handle things in the eyes of the coaches, sitting him makes little sense. While I’d generally agree with Jordan Palmer’s take that all rookie QBs would benefit by sitting a year, it may not be practical. On the other side of that contention, I’d argue that a QB is either going to be great or he’s not. Starting him in an adverse situation won’t bury him. Waiting for a perfect scenario won’t save him either. If the Bills truly have a better option, then they should start that option. If Allen plays well, it doesn’t appear that they have one. 

 

 

You could also argue that all those first round QB's that went to bad teams down through the history of the NFL also weren't that good to begin with. Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf, Heath Schuler, Rick Mirer, David Klinger, Andre Ware, Kelly Stouffer, Todd Blackledge, Art Schlichter, Jack Thompson, Jerry Tagge...

 

 

Anyway, Bills fans have selective memories for the most part... probably due to all the imbibing. 

 

In 2008 the Buffalo Bills started the season 4-0 by beating the Seahawks, Jags, Raiders, and Rams. After that fourth game, this board was going nuts while being flooding with Bills fans going mental on how good Trent Edwards looked! And a lot of fans were comparing him to a young Joe Montana...seriously! That is a very far cry from how his life as a Buffalo Bill ended. 

 

Edwards career was basically ended in the very next game in Arizona as Cards defender Adrian Wilson came unblocked and helmet to helmet drove Edwards into the turf. Needless to say that Trent suffered a very severe concussion and while he sat out the rest of this game. Trent went on to play the rest of the season and even won the next game against the Chargers with the Bills going 5-1.  The Bills went 2-8 the rest of the season and Trent became Trentitive in that time. 

 

Concussion protocals are so different now and I'd have to think that in today's game Edwards would have sat out most of the rest of that season or ever all of it. In my view and in many others that severe concussion was the start of Trent Edwards downward spiral. 

 

 

NOW, go back and look at that hit in the Cleveland game in which an unblocked Browns defender comes untouched to sack and fling Josh Allen on his head. Yes, Allen is bigger and stronger while probably tougher then Edwards. Still, QB's like Aaron Rodgers that have been knocked out of games and even missed parts of seasons due to concussions. 

 

Bottom line: I'd really like to see Allen survive this season to lead this franchise to a championship. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

It will means he's a rookie and needs to gain experience.

[QuoteTheRaven83]

On 8/25/2018 at 10:55 AM, Steptide said:

I'm as excited as the next guy for Allen to win the starting job. I'm also a Peterman advocate, and am 100% comfortable with him starting if need be. 

 

If Allen fails tomorrow though, are we back at square one with McCarron, Peterman and Allen? I'd like to think no, but listening to media this week, there seems to be this narrative that it's Allen's job to lose and I'm not so sure. 

I spelled tomorrow wrong. Oops 

 

You mean, what if he throws 5 INT's in a half? Oh wait...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

54 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

What if Allen isn’t good tomorrow?

 

Well, I expect him to have bad game so......whatever. The good will outweigh the bad.

 

....I'd feel better if Klopfenstein was at TE though..............

[RiotAct]

18 hours ago, JPP said:

Than just get rid of him and dont look back....and do whatever it takes to get Tyrod back....there problem solved........lol....i jest....

sounds reasonable.

[Beast]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....I'd feel better if Klopfenstein was at TE though..............

 

I actually just read what I posted. I disn’t mean to say I expect Allen to have a bad game today, but we all know he will have a bad game sooner than later.

 

I have faith in this kid.

[Fr. Jerk]

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Probably means Peterman starts the season

 

...McD has Orton on speed dial...we're good.......

[JPP]

43 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...McD has Orton on speed dial...we're good.......

That would require getting Orton away from the weekend beer n bbq festivities......may have to break the cap to do this.....but yes i agree.....

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, JPP said:

That would require getting Orton away from the weekend beer n bbq festivities......may have to break the cap to do this.....but yes i agree.....

 

..going to assume that would be the one on the beer bottle, right??..........

[Nihilarian]

5 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

You could also argue that all those first round QB's that went to bad teams down through the history of the NFL also weren't that good to begin with. Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, JaMarcus Russell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Byron Leftwich, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Ryan Leaf, Heath Schuler, Rick Mirer, David Klinger, Andre Ware, Kelly Stouffer, Todd Blackledge, Art Schlichter, Jack Thompson, Jerry Tagge...

 

 

Anyway, Bills fans have selective memories for the most part... probably due to all the imbibing. 

 

In 2008 the Buffalo Bills started the season 4-0 by beating the Seahawks, Jags, Raiders, and Rams. After that fourth game, this board was going nuts while being flooding with Bills fans going mental on how good Trent Edwards looked! And a lot of fans were comparing him to a young Joe Montana...seriously! That is a very far cry from how his life as a Buffalo Bill ended. 

 

Edwards career was basically ended in the very next game in Arizona as Cards defender Adrian Wilson came unblocked and helmet to helmet drove Edwards into the turf. Needless to say that Trent suffered a very severe concussion and while he sat out the rest of this game. Trent went on to play the rest of the season and even won the next game against the Chargers with the Bills going 5-1.  The Bills went 2-8 the rest of the season and Trent became Trentitive in that time. 

 

Concussion protocals are so different now and I'd have to think that in today's game Edwards would have sat out most of the rest of that season or ever all of it. In my view and in many others that severe concussion was the start of Trent Edwards downward spiral. 

 

 

NOW, go back and look at that hit in the Cleveland game in which an unblocked Browns defender comes untouched to sack and fling Josh Allen on his head. Yes, Allen is bigger and stronger while probably tougher then Edwards. Still, QB's like Aaron Rodgers that have been knocked out of games and even missed parts of seasons due to concussions. 

 

Bottom line: I'd really like to see Allen survive this season to lead this franchise to a championship. 

Hate to say it...

[Steptide]

Unfortunately my fears came true. It's alright though. 1, it's pre season, 2, Peterman looks much improved and can play for this team until Allen is ready. My hope is that this o line tonight was just off and isn't nearly as bad as they looked 

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Unfortunately my fears came true. It's alright though. 1, it's pre season, 2, Peterman looks much improved and can play for this team until Allen is ready. My hope is that this o line tonight was just off and isn't nearly as bad as they looked 

 

they looked fine in the Carolina game. Wonder what happened?

[Jamie Nails]

I think Peterman helped them look good. He’s decisive