We Learn A Lot About Allen When He Plays the Browns

[Shaw66]

Allen's on the hot seat against the Browns.   We find out something about how he handles pressure.

 

What pressure?    Well, like everyone, he wants to be a starter.   He's on a track that would permit him to be a starter.   He probably can't win the starting job against the Browns, but he definitely can lose it.  

 

Going into the first preseason game, he knew where he stood.   Beane said it - if he plays well enough, he'll get first and second team reps.   If he shows he's not ready, he'll stay with the third string.   The pressure was on, and he responded nicely.   He followed up with a good but not great showing in training camp, running with the 2s and occasionally with the 1s. 

 

Now it seems likely he'll play with the 2s against the Browns, and maybe first come into the game when some of the 1s are still on the field.   It will all be on the line.   If he plays well, it's quite possible he'll force McDermott to give him a shot by giving a lot of first team reps in practice next week.   Ideally, of course, you give your presumptive starter the first-team reps, because the third preseason game is typically the dress-rehearsal game - starters go the first half, maybe into the third quarter.   But if Allen is good enough against the Browns, McDermott either has to declare him the starter and give him ALL the first-team reps, or decide that he has a real competition going on with Allen and one of the other two.  Then he has to split the first-team reps in practice, split the time in the third preseason game and postpone the decision about the starter and the dress rehearsal to the fourth game.  

 

Allen isn't stupid.   He knows his shot at starting is on the line.   It will be interesting to see if he's up to the challenge.  

Edited August 16, 2018 by Shaw66

[PromoTheRobot]

Hotseat????

 

It's preseason. If he's good, it won't matter because it's preseason. If he's bad,  it won't matter because it's preseason.

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Hotseat????

 

It's preseason. If he's good, it won't matter because it's preseason. If he's bad,  it won't matter because it's preseason.

As I said, it means A LOT to him.   His chance to start this season depends on his play tomorrow night.  

[Bangarang]

5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

As I said, it means A LOT to him.   His chance to start this season depends on his play tomorrow night.  

 

We simply do not know that. 

[Shaw66]

Just now, Bangarang said:

 

We simply do not know that. 

What don't we know?   You think he doesn't care if he's the starter this season?

 

Or do you think whether he's the starter this season DOESN'T depend on how he plays tomorrow night?

 

I think both points are beyond doubt.  

[mrags]

I’d say definitely not hot seat. But the rest I agree with. 

 

 

They havent announced a starter yet for tomorrow. and deep down I’m really hoping it’s allen for tomorrow and give him a chance to look incredible or just lose the job outright for himself for now. 

[NickelCity]

If he throws a pick I riot. #hotseat

Edited August 17, 2018 by NickelCity

[Jerome007]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

I’d say definitely not hot seat. But the rest I agree with. 

 

 

They havent announced a starter yet for tomorrow. and deep down I’m really hoping it’s allen for tomorrow and give him a chance to look incredible or just lose the job outright for himself for now. 

I agree. Yet it would be only his second NFL appearance, and it's preseason so he won't see complex packages designed to confuse a rookie QB. And even seasoned pros have had bad games. But again I agree that for him it's a chance to rise his stock or that he could lose his spot. TBH it's the same for all three QBs. I really do think it is open competition, just like it was when TT was on the team in the beginning. It's just that with Allen his ceiling is higher but his mistakes matter more, being a complete rookie. Weird that AJ seems such a veteran, and even Nate, while both have so little real game experience!

[Seanbillsfan2206]

He’s definitely not on the “hot seat”. I’d say there’s more pressure on McCarron and Peterman at this point...

[Bangarang]

30 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

What don't we know?   You think he doesn't care if he's the starter this season?

 

Or do you think whether he's the starter this season DOESN'T depend on how he plays tomorrow night?

 

I think both points are beyond doubt.  

 

We don’t know whether his chance to start depends on tomorrow’s game. 

[Patrick Duffy]

44 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

As I said, it means A LOT to him.   His chance to start this season depends on his play tomorrow night.  

Disagree, it will not depend entirely on tomorrow night. There's a couple more weeks to determine that.

[Rocky Landing]

54 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Allen's on the hot seat against the Browns.   We find out something about how he handles pressure.

 

What pressure?    Well, like everyone, he wants to be a starter.   He's on a track that would permit him to be a starter.   He probably can't win the starting job against the Browns, but he definitely can lose it.  

 

Going into the first preseason game, he knew where he stood.   Beane said it - if he plays well enough, he'll get first and second team reps.   If he shows he's not ready, he'll stay with the third string.   The pressure was on, and he responded nicely.   He followed up with a good but not great showing in training camp, running with the 2s and occasionally with the 1s. 

 

Now it seems likely he'll play with the 2s against the Browns, and maybe first come into the game when some of the 1s are still on the field.   It will all be on the line.   If he plays well, it's quite possible he'll force McDermott to give him a shot by giving a lot of first team reps in practice next week.   Ideally, of course, you give your presumptive starter the first-team reps, because the third preseason game is typically the dress-rehearsal game - starters go the first half, maybe into the third quarter.   But if Allen is good enough against the Browns, McDermott either has to declare him the starter and give him ALL the first-team reps, or decide that he has a real competition going on with Allen and one of the other two.  Then he has to split the first-team reps in practice, split the time in the third preseason game and postpone the decision about the starter and the dress rehearsal to the fourth game.  

 

Allen isn't stupid.   He knows his shot at starting is on the line.   It will be interesting to see if he's up to the challenge.  

Essentially, what you are saying is that McDermott will decide who the season opening starter will be based on tomorrow's game.

[njbuff]

No, we learn about Allen when he takes his first REAL snap, then we take it from there.

 

It's called pre-season for a reason.

[cd1]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

Allen's on the hot seat against the Browns.   We find out something about how he handles pressure.

 

What pressure?    Well, like everyone, he wants to be a starter.   He's on a track that would permit him to be a starter.   He probably can't win the starting job against the Browns, but he definitely can lose it.  

 

Going into the first preseason game, he knew where he stood.   Beane said it - if he plays well enough, he'll get first and second team reps.   If he shows he's not ready, he'll stay with the third string.   The pressure was on, and he responded nicely.   He followed up with a good but not great showing in training camp, running with the 2s and occasionally with the 1s. 

 

Now it seems likely he'll play with the 2s against the Browns, and maybe first come into the game when some of the 1s are still on the field.   It will all be on the line.   If he plays well, it's quite possible he'll force McDermott to give him a shot by giving a lot of first team reps in practice next week.   Ideally, of course, you give your presumptive starter the first-team reps, because the third preseason game is typically the dress-rehearsal game - starters go the first half, maybe into the third quarter.   But if Allen is good enough against the Browns, McDermott either has to declare him the starter and give him ALL the first-team reps, or decide that he has a real competition going on with Allen and one of the other two.  Then he has to split the first-team reps in practice, split the time in the third preseason game and postpone the decision about the starter and the dress rehearsal to the fourth game.  

 

Allen isn't stupid.   He knows his shot at starting is on the line.   It will be interesting to see if he's up to the challenge.  

 

Essentially, I think Shaw is saying that we will get to see how Allen plays under (his own) pressure.

 

Allen knows that THIS is the chance that Beane and McD spoke of IF he played well in preseason ONE.

 

McD and Beane are NOT putting pressure on the kid!  They say they will bring him along SLOWLY.

 

ALLEN will be playing tomorrow night under HIS OWN PRESSURE.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Allen's on the hot seat against the Browns.   We find out something about how he handles pressure.

 

What pressure?    Well, like everyone, he wants to be a starter.   He's on a track that would permit him to be a starter.   He probably can't win the starting job against the Browns, but he definitely can lose it.  

 

Going into the first preseason game, he knew where he stood.   Beane said it - if he plays well enough, he'll get first and second team reps.   If he shows he's not ready, he'll stay with the third string.   The pressure was on, and he responded nicely.   He followed up with a good but not great showing in training camp, running with the 2s and occasionally with the 1s. 

 

Now it seems likely he'll play with the 2s against the Browns, and maybe first come into the game when some of the 1s are still on the field.   It will all be on the line.   If he plays well, it's quite possible he'll force McDermott to give him a shot by giving a lot of first team reps in practice next week.   Ideally, of course, you give your presumptive starter the first-team reps, because the third preseason game is typically the dress-rehearsal game - starters go the first half, maybe into the third quarter.   But if Allen is good enough against the Browns, McDermott either has to declare him the starter and give him ALL the first-team reps, or decide that he has a real competition going on with Allen and one of the other two.  Then he has to split the first-team reps in practice, split the time in the third preseason game and postpone the decision about the starter and the dress rehearsal to the fourth game.  

 

Allen isn't stupid.   He knows his shot at starting is on the line.   It will be interesting to see if he's up to the challenge.  

 

I hear you, but I don’t want someone who thinks they need to step up because they are on the hot seat.

 

i want someone who is always stepping up because they only have one gear... wide open,  balls to the wall competing to win every opportunity, every snap, every minute. 

 

i want intrinsic motivation, not someone that might step up because of externalities, that’s not how leaders work .  That’s been every QB we’ve watched play since Jim kelly. 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Augie]

37 minutes ago, njbuff said:

No, we learn about Allen when he takes his first REAL snap, then we take it from there.

 

 It's called pre-season for a reason.

 

Wait! You’re going to throw that out there, then not tell us???

 

 

?

[njbuff]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Wait! You’re going to throw that out there, then not tell us???

 

 

?

 

I like to rhyme.

 

?

[Mrbojanglezs]

I wouldn't say that he is on a "hot seat"

[Foxx]

i think Allen starts against the Browns.

 

the presummed starter traditionally starts the third pre-season game. the only way to know if he is in any way ready at all, he has to play with the 1's in this game. this is his chance to show what hes got and where he stands with his curve.

[atlbillsfan1975]

Shaw I think you are one of the level headed posters on here. I think you might be overstating things a bit at this point. Allen is less than 3 week’s into his first camp. No pressure at this time. I also just don’t get the impression that Allen is ever going to doubt himself. 

[Mat68]

It does seem like a way to artificially create some urgency and pressure for a preseason contest.  Those are the 2 things good QBs do best.  With a lot on the line play calm inside yourself and rise to the occasion.  With Coleman instead of Foster running under his deep ball he could still the show tomorrow night.

[TigerJ]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Hotseat????

 

It's preseason. If he's good, it won't matter because it's preseason. If he's bad,  it won't matter because it's preseason.

I agree with Shaw.  You are right in that his roster spot is not in jeopardy, but even though he doesn't tak in such terms, he's doing whatever he can to start sooner rather than later.  He' will not be very happy with himself if he does poorly, soI'm pretty sure he feels pressure in that sense.

[Orlando Tim]

I was ready to bash you based on title but IF he thinks is important to start day one he needs to show up here and against the Bengals. 

Edited August 16, 2018 by Buffalo Timmy

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

 

We don’t know whether his chance to start depends on tomorrow’s game. 

You and Duffy said the same thing.   Maybe you're right.

 

But the third preseason game historically has been the dress rehearsal, and the fourth game the starters sit and the marginal players are fighting for spots.   If the Bills follow that pattern, the guy who starts the third preseason game IS the starter, and he'll get all or most of the first team reps in practice next week.   If Allen isn't getting the first team reps, I think there's virtually no chance he starts week one.  

 

And if you aren't starting week one, you need some peculiar things to happen to get the starting call later in the season.

10 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

It does seem like a way to artificially create some urgency and pressure for a preseason contest.  Those are the 2 things good QBs do best.  With a lot on the line play calm inside yourself and rise to the occasion.  With Coleman instead of Foster running under his deep ball he could still the show tomorrow night.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.   

 

Tomorrow is a BIG game for him. 

[Mat68]

6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You and Duffy said the same thing.   Maybe you're right.

 

But the third preseason game historically has been the dress rehearsal, and the fourth game the starters sit and the marginal players are fighting for spots.   If the Bills follow that pattern, the guy who starts the third preseason game IS the starter, and he'll get all or most of the first team reps in practice next week.   If Allen isn't getting the first team reps, I think there's virtually no chance he starts week one.  

 

And if you aren't starting week one, you need some peculiar things to happen to get the starting call later in the season.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.   

 

Tomorrow is a BIG game for him. 

Agree.  He is the darkhorse to start week 1 imo.  

[Boca BIlls]

Hot seat!?! No,not really. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

As I said, it means A LOT to him.   His chance to start this season depends on his play tomorrow night.  

 

 

It really doesn't.  He's competing gains two nobodies on the roster and he's a top 10 first round picks.

 

This coaching staff is dying to start him ASAP over Come Sack Me Mccarran and Come Pick Me Peterman.

[FearLess Price]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It really doesn't.  He's competing gains two nobodies on the roster and he's a top 10 first round picks.

 

This coaching staff is dying to start him ASAP over Come Sack Me Mccarran and Come Pick Me Peterman.

 

 

so are the fans

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, FearLess Price said:

 

 

so are the fans

 

Can you imagine?

 

"Yeah, Bills fans, we are going to have a 5 or 6 win season with Mccarran..........so Josh Allen can 'learn' behind that".

 

Let's see Kim sell that on a T-shirt.  She will need to rehire Russ to pull that sales miracle off on the fans.

 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[FearLess Price]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Can you imagine?

 

"Yeah, Bills fans, we are going to have a 5 or 6 win season with Mccarran..........so Josh Allen can 'learn' behind that".

 

Let's see Kim sell that on a T-shirt.  She will need to rehire Russ to pull that sales miracle to the fans.

 

 

Right. The real question is which QB gets traded for a 2020 7th round pick.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, FearLess Price said:

 

Right. The real question is which QB gets traded for a 2020 7th round pick.

 

 

Depends on how they perform in the preseason.

 

They are both on the hot seat to get the Bills that draft pick...may the best man lose!

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

As I said, it means A LOT to him.   His chance to start this season depends on his play tomorrow night.  

I agree with your op..

He can def lose any chance of starting , as I'm sure they'll want a starter by game 3 . 

It's a big game for him for sure, should be a hyped crowd too..

[MJS]

Obviously he'd like to play well, but I don't think it matters other than that.

[billsredneck1]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

I’d say definitely not hot seat. But the rest I agree with. 

 

 

They havent announced a starter yet for tomorrow. and deep down I’m really hoping it’s allen for tomorrow and give him a chance to look incredible or just lose the job outright for himself for now. 

it would be great to see josh show up tyrod, but then again it would be nice to see all 3 of them do it.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

i think Allen starts against the Browns.

 

the presummed starter traditionally starts the third pre-season game. the only way to know if he is in any way ready at all, he has to play with the 1's in this game. this is his chance to show what hes got and where he stands with his curve.

Exactly this 

4 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

it would be great to see josh show up tyrod, but then again it would be nice to see all 3 of them do it.

My money would be in the fact that they all do better than BrokeRod. Unless your talking about rushing yards, in that case He’ll beat out McCarron. 

[billsredneck1]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

Exactly this 

My money would be in the fact that they all do better than BrokeRod. Unless your talking about rushing yards, in that case He’ll beat out McCarron. 

nope strictly talking about qb, not rb

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

What don't we know?   You think he doesn't care if he's the starter this season?

 

Or do you think whether he's the starter this season DOESN'T depend on how he plays tomorrow night?

 

I think both points are beyond doubt.  

 

I don't know does he?  Whether he starts this season or not doesn't change the amount of money he'll earn.   I realize these are all very high ego types of people, but Allen does seem pretty well grounded.  Look at the grave yard of NFL QB's over the years who started as rookies and never did well.  You'll always wonder would they have benefited from sitting a year.  Not to say that he hasn't come to the conclusion that in the long run he'd be better off sitting and watching for a year.

 

And yes if he plays poorly tomorrow night, then he likely wouldn't have a chance to start, but even with a good performance unless the other two look terrible or get hurt, he still may not start. I'm sure too that McD remembers what happened last year with Petermann so  likely would be more cautious with starting him barring some miracle performance.

 

So to sum it up, I don't think either point are beyond doubt.

 

And speaking of Fridays game, who is it being broadcast by? (since I'm not local) and start time?

 

 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

nope strictly talking about qb, not rb

So was I 

[Shaw66]

8 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I don't know does he?  Whether he starts this season or not doesn't change the amount of money he'll earn.   I realize these are all very high ego types of people, but Allen does seem pretty well grounded.  Look at the grave yard of NFL QB's over the years who started as rookies and never did well.  You'll always wonder would they have benefited from sitting a year.  Not to say that he hasn't come to the conclusion that in the long run he'd be better off sitting and watching for a year.

 

And yes if he plays poorly tomorrow night, then he likely wouldn't have a chance to start, but even with a good performance unless the other two look terrible or get hurt, he still may not start. I'm sure too that McD remembers what happened last year with Petermann so  likely would be more cautious with starting him barring some miracle performance.

 

So to sum it up, I don't think either point are beyond doubt.

 

And speaking of Fridays game, who is it being broadcast by? (since I'm not local) and start time?

 

 

Wow. 

 

He's an athlete and a competitor.  Every athlete and competitor wants to play, not sit.   

 

If he is sitting there in his room tonight thinking "I've got my money, and I probably could use a year on the bench," the Bills drafted the wrong guy.   

 

I guarantee you he wants to be the starter against the Ravens.  

[billspro]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

 

We simply do not know that. 

 

If you read between the lines. Everything McDermott and Beane have said points to Allen starting preseason game 3 if he plays well tomorrow night and starting opening day if he plays well in preseason week 3.