Paul Costa Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) Buffalo obviously has a couple of positions that could be strengthened greatly by adding a FA right before camp starts. On the Offensive side of the ball , adding a WR or interior OL would make sense to upgrade the O. Where I see an opportunity to upgrade the team is on the Defensive side . I would love for the Bills to add Navarro Bowman. He would be the Starting MLB on early downs and obvious running downs. When we go into a dime package he comes off for a DB. And our two LB’s are Milano and Edmunds. I feel this move would do 3 things. Strengthen our Run D, take some pressure of Edmunds as the Defensive Quarterback right off the bat, and he will be a good role model for Edmonds on how to play the MLB position. A two year deal worth 7 Million should get it done . Edited July 22, 2018 by Paul Costa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 If he wants to play in Buffalo. You can't just force free agents to sign. Plus, if Bowman can't make a 90 man roster around the enitre league, what does that say? Could say a couple things: 1) he wants too much money, 2) he doesn't want to go through all the off-season programs, like OTA's and training camp, 3) he is viewed as not very good anymore, 4) he is waiting for a team to have a starter injured so he can come in and be a starter. I don't think the Bills will make many moves until cuts start happening around the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: Buffalo obviously has a couple of positions that could be strengthened greatly by adding a FA right before camp starts. On the Offensive side of the ball , adding a WR or interior OL would make sense to upgrade the O. Where I see an opportunity to upgrade the team is on the Defensive side . I would love for the Bills to add Navarro Bowman. He would be the Starting MLB on early downs and obvious running downs. When we go into a dime package he comes off for a DB. And our two LB’s are Milano and Edmunds. I feel this move would do 3 things. Strengthen our Run D, take some pressure of Edmunds as the Defensive Quarterback right off the bat, and he will be a good role model for Edmonds on how to play the MLB position. A two year deal worth 7 Million should get it done . i agree with you on bowman but don't see it happening. a rt would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I just don’t see this happening. Yes, with Trader Beane running the show, we’ve gotten used to and come to expect that no player is a lock to continue as a Bill. But I think the cupboard is pretty bare for trade capital at this time and he won’t likely spend ‘19 Draft picks at this early stage. Coach seems content with what we have going into Camp, unlike the rest of us. But I agree. I believe we have to upgrade a couple Offensive positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 In the old days they would all be quiet so Buddy could get his naps in. But I don’t think that’s it. I trust these guys to make moves when it’s time. Now is just kind of that dead waiting period. Is anyone really active? 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Augie said: In the old days they would all be quiet so Buddy could get his naps in. But I don’t think that’s it. I trust these guys to make moves when it’s time. Now is just kind of that dead waiting period. Is anyone really active? ...LMAO!....Buddy went into hibernation early November and awoke at 9:15AM on draft day.......at least he was "refreshed"..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 37 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: Buffalo obviously has a couple of positions that could be strengthened greatly by adding a FA right before camp starts. On the Offensive side of the ball , adding a WR or interior OL would make sense to upgrade the O. Where I see an opportunity to upgrade the team is on the Defensive side . I would love for the Bills to add Navarro Bowman. He would be the Starting MLB on early downs and obvious running downs. When we go into a dime package he comes off for a DB. And our two LB’s are Milano and Edmunds. I feel this move would do 3 things. Strengthen our Run D, take some pressure of Edmunds as the Defensive Quarterback right off the bat, and he will be a good role model for Edmonds on how to play the MLB position. A two year deal worth 7 Million should get it done . Bowman has lost too many steps and would be a backup if he made the team. Edmunds was not drafted to sit. Let's invest time in the new, young players - not over the hill retreads. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Dalton said: Bowman has lost too many steps and would be a backup if he made the team. Edmunds was not drafted to sit. Let's invest time in the new, young players - not over the hill retreads. I think you missed my point. Edmunds would play weak side on first downs and MLB in dime packages. You should check out what Bowman did last year in Oakland. Your way off on your statement there. Edmunds would be on the field all 3 downs. Milano , Bowman, and Edmunds on running downs, and then in dime packages Milano , Edmonds and a extra DB. To me this would strengthen a solid group and let Edmunds develop with less pressure. This would take Lorax out of the starting lineup and let him be a situational pass rusher and SP ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...LMAO!....Buddy went into hibernation early November and awoke at 9:15AM on draft day.......at least he was "refreshed"..... He napped "like his hair was on fire"... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I think you missed my point. Edmunds would play weak side on first downs and MLB in dime packages. You should check out what Bowman did last year in Oakland. Your way off on your statement there. Edmunds would be on the field all 3 downs. Milano , Bowman, and Edmunds on running downs, and then in dime packages Milano , Edmonds and a extra DB. To me this would strengthen a solid group and let Edmunds develop with less pressure. This would take Lorax out of the starting lineup and let him be a situational pass rusher and SP ace. Edmunds is the starting MLB and has been since OTAs and minicamp. That is not going to change. Edited July 22, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 28 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I think you missed my point. Edmunds would play weak side on first downs and MLB in dime packages. You should check out what Bowman did last year in Oakland. Your way off on your statement there. Edmunds would be on the field all 3 downs. Milano , Bowman, and Edmunds on running downs, and then in dime packages Milano , Edmonds and a extra DB. To me this would strengthen a solid group and let Edmunds develop with less pressure. This would take Lorax out of the starting lineup and let him be a situational pass rusher and SP ace. We traded up for Edmunds for him to start. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 30 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I think you missed my point. Edmunds would play weak side on first downs and MLB in dime packages. You should check out what Bowman did last year in Oakland. Your way off on your statement there. Edmunds would be on the field all 3 downs. Milano , Bowman, and Edmunds on running downs, and then in dime packages Milano , Edmonds and a extra DB. To me this would strengthen a solid group and let Edmunds develop with less pressure. This would take Lorax out of the starting lineup and let him be a situational pass rusher and SP ace. I think you missed my point - Bowman is washed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: I think you missed my point. Edmunds would play weak side on first downs and MLB in dime packages. You should check out what Bowman did last year in Oakland. Your way off on your statement there. Edmunds would be on the field all 3 downs. Milano , Bowman, and Edmunds on running downs, and then in dime packages Milano , Edmonds and a extra DB. To me this would strengthen a solid group and let Edmunds develop with less pressure. This would take Lorax out of the starting lineup and let him be a situational pass rusher and SP ace. So you don't want Edmunds to be the qb of the defense but in dime packages you want him to be the qb of the defense? Why not just let him stay in the middle instead of moving him around. If you want to get Lorax off the field then go find a guy that plays his position that's better then him. Don't take a promising young rookie and move him from his natural position so you can upgrade a different position. Just upgrade the position in question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I agree that it’s been awfully quiet and something is about to break. As far as the Bowman thing, I don’t see it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 The calm before the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) The Bills will, in my opinion, make one significant move either signing a player like Bowman after an injury hits them, or they will bring in a veteran cut from another team. The Bills have too many areas of concern for them not to at least kick the tires on a player either when injury hits or when rosters start to get trimmed down. I think Guard, RT and WR are the three spots on offense where you could see a significant veteran signing (Maybe even RB if Shady is suspended or out) and Linebacker seems to be the spot on defense. Overall I think the Bills must like what they have in camp enough to see how the roster is panning out. Then as you see what you have and you see what is out there on the market you can make a move if needed. 1 hour ago, Tipster19 said: I agree that it’s been awfully quiet and something is about to break. As far as the Bowman thing, I don’t see it happening. I think it is just going to stay quiet until training camp is in full swing. July before training camp is a time when coaches, front office, and players usually take their families on vacation to get some leisure time in before the long grueling season starts. That's why it is usually a pretty dead time around the league. All the rosters are set, the draft and OTA's are in the books, the veteran free agent market has been static for well over a month and the scouting for the next draft has been blueprinted. By the end of June the coaches have their training camp programs locked in and there really isn't a whole lot for them to do, players are always in shape so getting some mental rest is always worthwhile and executives have their teams set and know what free agents are out there. So it just ends up being that dead time in the league where pundits just talk about "Season Predictions" and "Camp Battles" for the billionth time while everyone actually involved in the game is getting that last vacation in. It's also the last few weeks where these players, coaches and executives can really spend time with their families for months. Toss in the fact that it is summer and you have just a general downtime in the league. Edited July 22, 2018 by billsfan89 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: i agree with you on bowman but don't see it happening. a rt would be nice. Mills is one of the most underrated players on the team. He's fine at RT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I think it all goes down to the roster philosophy of Brandon Beane/Sean McDermott. They seem to really focus on building through the draft and finding “their guys.” So far they haven’t really taken chances on veterans with injury histories. McDermott is very big on availability and so don’t see them counting on a player like Bowman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Mills is one of the most underrated players on the team. He's fine at RT Mills is a good run blocker but a really bad pass blocker. In a passing league and with an inexperienced QB (No matter who starts) I think pass blocking at that position is at a premium. I think Mills is the epitome of a player you want coming off the bench a bubble starter type. I think him and Newhouse are both backup caliber players while having one of those guys on the roster is nice depth one of them will end up starting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Paul Costa said: I think you missed my point. Edmunds would play weak side on first downs and MLB in dime packages. You should check out what Bowman did last year in Oakland. Your way off on your statement there. Edmunds would be on the field all 3 downs. Milano , Bowman, and Edmunds on running downs, and then in dime packages Milano , Edmonds and a extra DB. To me this would strengthen a solid group and let Edmunds develop with less pressure. This would take Lorax out of the starting lineup and let him be a situational pass rusher and SP ace. A dime Package only carries 1 linebacker... what you are referring too is a nickel package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: I think it all goes down to the roster philosophy of Brandon Beane/Sean McDermott. They seem to really focus on building through the draft and finding “their guys.” So far they haven’t really taken chances on veterans with injury histories. McDermott is very big on availability and so don’t see them counting on a player like Bowman. Trent Murphy was a big veteran signing coming off of a massive injury. Vonta Davis also has a similar injury issue. I think it just more has to do with McBeane knowing the veteran market (Which has been pretty static since June) and wanting to see what he has currently on the roster before dipping into the vet pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Zebrastripes said: So you don't want Edmunds to be the qb of the defense but in dime packages you want him to be the qb of the defense? Why not just let him stay in the middle instead of moving him around. If you want to get Lorax off the field then go find a guy that plays his position that's better then him. Don't take a promising young rookie and move him from his natural position so you can upgrade a different position. Just upgrade the position in question. Many evaluators said that Edmunds might be better suited for a outside LB position than inside. The main reason was his cover ability and possible edge rushing skills. The Bills are in nickel or dime packages 75% of the time. I guess I’m saying I’d rather have one of the top 5 run stoppers in the league at MLB on obvious running downs with Edmunds on the weak side , than a talented rookie at MLB and Lorax on the weak side on obvious running downs. Big big difference !!!! And we have the money ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 There hasn’t been any action anywhere lately, not just in Buffalo. Nobody else has offered Bowman a contract either. At least that we know of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Augie said: In the old days they would all be quiet so Buddy could get his naps in. But I don’t think that’s it. I trust these guys to make moves when it’s time. Now is just kind of that dead waiting period. Is anyone really active? Just McCoys attorneys 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 2 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Mills is one of the most underrated players on the team. He's fine at RT you are correct with one of your declarations : 0 53 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: Many evaluators said that Edmunds might be better suited for a outside LB position than inside. The main reason was his cover ability and possible edge rushing skills. The Bills are in nickel or dime packages 75% of the time. I guess I’m saying I’d rather have one of the top 5 run stoppers in the league at MLB on obvious running downs with Edmunds on the weak side , than a talented rookie at MLB and Lorax on the weak side on obvious running downs. Big big difference !!!! And we have the money ? never should have let Ragland go......... Lorax should be relegated to Pass rush and conserve his body. Milano is still a work in progress whom they seem to have high hopes for. I feel what you are suggesting. I would like to see the Bills have a thumper still on run downs. Edmunds rookie year ? if they ask him to play every down he will be more likely for injury towards the end of season from wear and tear. Not a bad thought honestly. 7 mil for Bowman. i don't think Bills will spend it. Ralph is still cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 The Bills want a MLB who can play Cover 2 and who can get get out to the flats, too. That's what they drafted him for. They aren't going to play him on the outside unless he shows he can't play the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Paul Costa said: Many evaluators said that Edmunds might be better suited for a outside LB position than inside. The main reason was his cover ability and possible edge rushing skills. The Bills are in nickel or dime packages 75% of the time. I guess I’m saying I’d rather have one of the top 5 run stoppers in the league at MLB on obvious running downs with Edmunds on the weak side , than a talented rookie at MLB and Lorax on the weak side on obvious running downs. Big big difference !!!! And we have the money ? I want edmunds playing the kuechly (sp) role because we are building the panthers defense that is not bowman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I want edmunds playing the kuechly (sp) role because we are building the panthers defense that is not bowman Fair point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 15 hours ago, Paul Costa said: I think you missed my point. Edmunds would play weak side on first downs and MLB in dime packages. You should check out what Bowman did last year in Oakland. Your way off on your statement there. Edmunds would be on the field all 3 downs. Milano , Bowman, and Edmunds on running downs, and then in dime packages Milano , Edmonds and a extra DB. To me this would strengthen a solid group and let Edmunds develop with less pressure. This would take Lorax out of the starting lineup and let him be a situational pass rusher and SP ace. Bowman is now slow , old and finished. good career. enjoy retirement , Navarro; move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 15 hours ago, The Jerk said: The calm before the storm. isn't it always calm before a storm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 18 hours ago, Dalton said: Bowman has lost too many steps and would be a backup if he made the team. Edmunds was not drafted to sit. Let's invest time in the new, young players - not over the hill retreads. i agree and think between reilly, dupri and foster we could end up with a couple of big time contributors. 16 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Mills is a good run blocker but a really bad pass blocker. In a passing league and with an inexperienced QB (No matter who starts) I think pass blocking at that position is at a premium. I think Mills is the epitome of a player you want coming off the bench a bubble starter type. I think him and Newhouse are both backup caliber players while having one of those guys on the roster is nice depth one of them will end up starting. it's no secret to opposing defenses that putting a speed pass rusher on the right side is a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 16 hours ago, BuffaloRush said: I think it all goes down to the roster philosophy of Brandon Beane/Sean McDermott. They seem to really focus on building through the draft and finding “their guys.” So far they haven’t really taken chances on veterans with injury histories. McDermott is very big on availability and so don’t see them counting on a player like Bowman. Right-o. Like Kelvin Benjamin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 If a few of the 'lesser lights' of previous front office staff and coaches were still around, I would say it's quiet because they were reading the TBD-TSW forum for player and coaching advice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I think many who are clamoring for us to add interior OL or WR help are off the mark. Some of us may not love what we have at those positions, but I think McBeane really does. They have upside and "their guys" in their minds. We could add a piece or two in a few weeks after other teams cut down, but I don't see anything earth shattering here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 20 hours ago, The Jerk said: The calm before the storm. My God. We're going to sign Tim Tebow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 It's a dead zone..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 20 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Mills is a good run blocker but a really bad pass blocker. In a passing league and with an inexperienced QB (No matter who starts) I think pass blocking at that position is at a premium. I think Mills is the epitome of a player you want coming off the bench a bubble starter type. I think him and Newhouse are both backup caliber players while having one of those guys on the roster is nice depth one of them will end up starting. I really do hope he was joking about Mills. Hes a turnstile on pass protection. Ask Joey Bosa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Need to get those picks signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, Paul Costa said: Many evaluators said that Edmunds might be better suited for a outside LB position than inside. The main reason was his cover ability and possible edge rushing skills. The Bills are in nickel or dime packages 75% of the time. I guess I’m saying I’d rather have one of the top 5 run stoppers in the league at MLB on obvious running downs with Edmunds on the weak side , than a talented rookie at MLB and Lorax on the weak side on obvious running downs. Big big difference !!!! And we have the money ? I'd rather let the rookie work it out this year TBH. This is kinda year 2 of the transition, with 2019 being our goal year from a competitive standpoint. We get out of all the dead money, carry over the remaining cap, and will have money to extend players moving forward and sign free agents, or use late draft capital to acquire overpaid players who still have something left in the tank. We're going to need quite a bit moving forward - pass rush help is always appreciated, improving the o-line, a running back, a couple of WRs... Would help having that cap space moving forward. We can hit on some of those in the draft - but you aren't going to be able to improve all those positions in a single draft. Edited July 23, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 No to Bo....this is going to be a trying year for the Bills AND their fans......tough sched and O is learning a whole new play book AND getting a new QB. Bills will be drafting in top 10 for sure. No worries from this fan - I have faith in the process. I just hope they slowly let Allen take over the QB slot.....that O-line needs to gel a bit before unleashing the kid to the hounds.....my $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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