KDIGGZ Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 And this seems reasonable..... https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/sports/wp/2018/04/24/final-2018-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-trade-up-but-not-for-a-quarterback/?noredirect=on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: And this seems reasonable..... https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/sports/wp/2018/04/24/final-2018-nfl-mock-draft-patriots-trade-up-but-not-for-a-quarterback/?noredirect=on Wow that's a lot of trades. I guess I'd be ok with Allen if only at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 The truth is, nobody knows if Allen will turn out to be a nightmare scenario or a dream scenario for whichever team selects him. Nothing more than personal opinions at this point. You have no idea which QBs, even going in the top 10, will be successful and which ones will not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I had a dream about him being drafted by us. He absolutely lit it up. Take this for what it's worth. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Just now, billsfan1959 said: The truth is, nobody knows if Allen will turn out to be a nightmare scenario or a dream scenario for whichever team selects him. Nothing more than personal opinions at this point. You have no idea which QBs, even going in the top 10, will be successful and which ones will not. We can make educated guesses. As the video lays out, there are no successful QBs in the NFL right now who finished college with a 56% completion rate their final season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said: Wow that's a lot of trades. I guess I'd be ok with Allen if only at 12. It is a lot of trades but I am starting to think 1 of the 4 top QBs fall and in the end I think it will be Allen. I don't think the Bills can pass him up if he is there at 12 and I have a bad feeling about the dude. He might be great but damn it don't feel like it to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedingreennc Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: It is a lot of trades but I am starting to think 1 of the 4 top QBs fall and in the end I think it will be Allen. I don't think the Bills can pass him up if he is there at 12 and I have a bad feeling about the dude. He might be great but damn it don't feel like it to me. Im keeping my fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: We can make educated guesses. As the video lays out, there are no successful QBs in the NFL right now who finished college with a 56% completion rate their final season. Educated guesses are made each year on QBs taken in the first round and are right less than 35% of the time in terms of being franchise QBs. Educated guesses, when it comes to predicting success at the NFL level are nothing more than slightly better odds on your gamble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandGoal Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 i rather have Allen at 22 but if we took him at 12--i will be okay with that,, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Educated guesses are made each year on QBs taken in the first round and are right less than 35% of the time in terms of being franchise QBs. Educated guesses, when it comes to predicting success at the NFL level are nothing more than slightly better odds on your gamble... It's really hard to find a QB. The odds of making a bad decision are increased if you don't pick guys like Josh Allen in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: It's really hard to find a QB. The odds of making a bad decision are increased if you don't pick guys like Josh Allen in round 1. I'm all for picking a QB in round one. The odds of landing a franchise QB, while still low, are higher than the odds in subsequent rounds. My point was that nobody really knows which QBs are going to be great and which ones will not. Far too many people offering opinions as if they were facts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mopreme Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Still cannot believe that Miami will trade up or even go for a QB. Tannehill is supposed to be their franchise guy, former 1st round pick, etc. I see them going after one of the 2nd tier guys like White or the kid from Richmond later in the draft. The Jets are a joke with their team of qbs; I would love to see them pick someone else out of the blue and watch the reaction of their fans again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Lol, that was great. Josh Allen is not a good NFL QB. 6 minutes ago, Mopreme said: Still cannot believe that Miami will trade up or even go for a QB. Tannehill is supposed to be their franchise guy, former 1st round pick, etc. I see them going after one of the 2nd tier guys like White or the kid from Richmond later in the draft. The Jets are a joke with their team of qbs; I would love to see them pick someone else out of the blue and watch the reaction of their fans again. Miami will trade up for their QB and the Bills will trade for Tannehill. You heard it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 McDermott was in Philly when Eagles fans booed the pick of Donovan McNabb. Could happen again. 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: When it said Fred on the screen behind Beane I swear it said Fired. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: ...Miami will trade up for their QB and the Bills will trade for Tannehill. You heard it here first. I there up in my mouth a little when I read that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Oh FFS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 49 minutes ago, DougFlutie7 said: No it doesn’t. If Beane let’s Miami beat us to Rosen he should be fired on the spot. You shouldn’t be happy with him at 12, 22 or the last pick of the 7th round. He’s TERRIBLE!! I will never understand why someone would feel ok with Allen at 12? It makes no sense. You’re still stalk with a bum with no accuracy. He’s Kyle Boller 2.0. He shouldn’t be fired on the spot, but I agree that I’d be skeptical going forward. That would be painful to watch unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Fire Beane if we end up with this inaccurate bum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. ChumChums Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 11 minutes ago, metzelaars_lives said: Oh FFS. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Nice to know we have so many experts on this site. Can't wait for Thursday night. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: We can make educated guesses. As the video lays out, there are no successful QBs in the NFL right now who finished college with a 56% completion rate their final season. Matt Ryan was sub 60% his final year as well. I'm not saying Allen is Matt Ryan I'm just saying that he was sub 60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: It's really hard to find a QB. The odds of making a bad decision are increased if you don't pick guys like Josh Allen in round 1. I agree lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: I there up in my mouth a little when I read that. And then you swallowed it. It's a metaphor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, jrober38 said: We can make educated guesses. As the video lays out, there are no successful QBs in the NFL right now who finished college with a 56% completion rate their final season. 3 games in his senior season he even completed 60%.. Against Gardner-Webb (lol) Utah State (lol) And Air Force (lol) Bad receivers or not..... Yikes He’s a pretty package, but he’s just not accurate and that’s going to be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm -rf /* Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: 3 games in his senior season he even completed 60%.. Against Gardner-Webb (lol) Utah State (lol) And Air Force (lol) Bad receivers or not..... Yikes He’s a pretty package, but he’s just not accurate and that’s going to be a problem. Yeah those college qb's with a sub-60% completion rate sure do suck. This guy barely hit 55% in only one of his college seasons. Assinine argument you have there. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Southern Mississippi 613 1169 52.4 7695 6.6 6.2 52 34 116.6 1987 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 79 194 40.7 1264 6.5 5.0 15 13 107.6 1988 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 178 319 55.8 2271 7.1 7.4 16 5 129.0 1989 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 206 381 54.1 2588 6.8 6.3 14 10 118.0 1990 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 150 275 54.5 1572 5.7 5.2 7 6 106.6 Edited April 24, 2018 by 255.255.255.255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Just now, 255.255.255.255 said: Yeah those college qb's with a sub-60% completion rate sure do suck. This barely hit 55% in only one of his college seasons. Assinine argument you have there. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Southern Mississippi 613 1169 52.4 7695 6.6 6.2 52 34 116.6 1987 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 79 194 40.7 1264 6.5 5.0 15 13 107.6 1988 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 178 319 55.8 2271 7.1 7.4 16 5 129.0 1989 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 206 381 54.1 2588 6.8 6.3 14 10 118.0 1990 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 150 275 54.5 1572 5.7 5.2 7 6 106.6 P Brett Favre is literally the only guy from the past 28 years who applies. Now think of how many college QBs there have been over that time with a completion percentage of 56% in their final year who didn't make it. We're talking about dozens, possibly hundreds of QBs with that type of completion percentage who didn't make it in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I am going to love reading this board when Allen is the pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 255.255.255.255 said: Yeah those college qb's with a sub-60% completion rate sure do suck. This barely hit 55% in only one of his college seasons. Assinine argument you have there. Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Southern Mississippi 613 1169 52.4 7695 6.6 6.2 52 34 116.6 1987 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 79 194 40.7 1264 6.5 5.0 15 13 107.6 1988 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 178 319 55.8 2271 7.1 7.4 16 5 129.0 1989 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 206 381 54.1 2588 6.8 6.3 14 10 118.0 1990 Southern Mississippi Ind QB 11 150 275 54.5 1572 5.7 5.2 7 6 106.6 P ROTFLMAO Completley different league from back then to now Heck Jim Kelly was barley a 55% guy in college if you are a gambler 99% of the time the sub 60% completion rate QB wil fail in the modern NFL. You could name on 1 hand the amount of succesful Franchise QB's that came into the pros with a sub 60% over th elast 15 - 20 years 2 minutes ago, zevo said: I am going to love reading this board when Allen is the pick Yep it will SUCK. it will make the rest of this offseaosn hell to endure Edited April 24, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm -rf /* Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, zevo said: I am going to love reading this board when Allen is the pick That will be good entertainment. I will feel sorry for the kid with the number of wanna-be-gm's who think they are smarter than they really are. Oh they will say they watch so much film and they put in so much time, and other posters will come to their defense. Simply put, they are posters on a message board. Just because they spew pretentious crap about themselves does not make it so. I am not really sold on any of the top guys. I would much rather see us keep all of our picks and draft someone like Mike White late. If they take Allen or anyone else I sure as hell won't be calling for their head for at least 3 seasons... This in and of itself is part of the problem in Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) FWIW, listening to Sirius and both Phil Simms and Jim Miller like Josh Allen the best of all QBs. Simms mentioned the completion percentage criticism, and pointed out that Allen threw the least amount of screens (by far) of any of the QBs. Those screens helped pad the other QB's stats. The also pointed out that Allen WINS, he turned the Wyoming program around... Just another perspective to throw into the mix - I know we needed one more! Edit: Also added that Allen has the best one hand pump fake and will be able to move safeties all over the place... Edited April 24, 2018 by Heitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 2 hours ago, zevo said: I am going to love reading this board when Allen is the pick I will be happy unless they passed on Darnold to take him. Those who want to throw a tantrum are welcome to. I plan on throwing a tantrum if Rudolph is picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 i love when people say "Brett Favre did it" or "Tom Brady was a 6th round pick." literally 2 of the best QB's of ALL TIME and the only people ever to be successful from those situations. think of the 100's if not 1000's of QB's that didn't make it. there's literally like 30+ draft eligible QB's this year alone. it's crazy to think any of them will be a Tom Brady or Brett Favre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 For those of you on the fence about Josh Allen. Here, this should help... lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Not opposed at all if the Bills can’t find the right trade to move up and land Allen at 12. The guy literally had junk receivers this year who dropped a ton of catchable balls. He had 2 interceptions in the first game against Iowa and 4 the rest of the season. Whoever we draft this year probably isn’t going to start. At this point, assuming Rosen and Allen are in our realistic sites to acquire in the draft without giving up a fortune. Rosen can use the year to add additional strength and Allen will have a year of additional learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: I had a dream about him being drafted by us. He absolutely lit it up. Take this for what it's worth. Dareus lit up too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 43 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: For those of you on the fence about Josh Allen. Here, this should help... lol Kid from California in a pats**** jersey? Yeah !@#$ that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Fire Beane if we end up with this inaccurate bum This is reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/24/17271686/josh-allen-nfl-draft-2018-stats-analysis-comparisons Title of article, “If Josh Allen succeeds, his GM will have outsmarted basically all regular humans and the entirety of math itself.” Ugh Edited April 25, 2018 by Billsflyer12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Heitz said: FWIW, listening to Sirius and both Phil Simms and Jim Miller like Josh Allen the best of all QBs. Simms mentioned the completion percentage criticism, and pointed out that Allen threw the least amount of screens (by far) of any of the QBs. Those screens helped pad the other QB's stats. The also pointed out that Allen WINS, he turned the Wyoming program around... Just another perspective to throw into the mix - I know we needed one more! Edit: Also added that Allen has the best one hand pump fake and will be able to move safeties all over the place... Heard this too. He rambled at the end. Jim and pat couldn't get him off quick enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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