KDIGGZ Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Which top QB is most likely to BUST? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I think Lamar Jackson is the highest% chance to bust I think if Josh Allen busts though, he's going to be a nuclear explosion since he will be a much higher pick than Jackson Busting on a guy taken 15-20 isn't as hurtful as a guy you traded multiple picks to move to and acquire 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1. Allen 2. Rosen 3. Jackson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I think Lamar Jackson is the highest% chance to bust I think if Josh Allen busts though, he's going to be a nuclear explosion since he will be a much higher pick than Jackson Busting on a guy taken 15-20 isn't as hurtful as a guy you traded multiple picks to move to and acquire If Allen was going late 1st or later, like he should, I would feel much better about his chances. Instead, he is going to be forced to play right away and be a savior. That’s a lot to ask for a guy who was average in the Mountain West. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: If Allen was going late 1st or later, like he should, I would feel much better about his chances. Instead, he is going to be forced to play right away and be a savior. That’s a lot to ask for a guy who was average in the Mountain West. I think whoever takes him knows he's sitting a year minimum. I also think that he should go high because his physical attributes/arm strength give him the highest ceiling #1? Nah. Top #5-7? Yeah. He reminds me of the 18 year olds that used to get drafted top10 in the NBA. Huge potential. Some panned out (Kobe) Many didn't (Darius miles, kwame brown) Will he be kobe or brown?? If he's Kobe, you're set for 15+ years at QB. If he's Brown you're back to the top 5 for a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I think they could almost equally all be busts - when you factor in when they are going to be selected. Draft grades on every one of these guys is much lower than when they are going to be picked because SO many teams are in need of a QB. So, there are going to be a lot of reaches - and that is going to make the bust potential high. That's why I'm more about picking Jackson/Rudolph using one of our picks - without having to trade the farm. If 6 QBs go in the top 11 picks - we are going to have someone great fall to us. I think this fan/media frenzy may actually play out differently on day 1. It is quite possible these GMs are all going to sober up and they will realize they can't reach for these guys if they want to keep their job. Although - it is much easier for them to use THEIR pick to take a flier on a QB than it is for teams like us to blow up draft capital we worked hard to stockpile. The Jets way overpaid to get to #3, from #6. That is what started this madness. I get they did it because they were worried we'd move to 3 - but they hurt themselves if their QB is not a Franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Whoever the Browns pick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I think whoever takes him knows he's sitting a year minimum. I also think that he should go high because his physical attributes/arm strength give him the highest ceiling #1? Nah. Top #5-7? Yeah. He reminds me of the 18 year olds that used to get drafted top10 in the NBA. Huge potential. Some panned out (Kobe) Many didn't (Darius miles, kwame brown) Will he be kobe or brown?? If he's Kobe, you're set for 15+ years at QB. If he's Brown you're back to the top 5 for a decade. That’s a good comparison. My counter would be that his physical skills are maxed out unlike 18 year olds, so you have a better idea of his ceilings. Also, for a guy who is talked about going that high should have much better production in the MWC. And low completion % is the one stat that seems to translate the best to the pros. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: 1. Allen 2. Rosen 3. Jackson This ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I think Darnold is a melt down waiting to happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sweats said: I think Darnold is a melt down waiting to happen. I think he is pretty “safe” but I can see him being fairly meh though. I think he has the highest floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: That’s a good comparison. My counter would be that his physical skills are maxed out unlike 18 year olds, so you have a better idea of his ceilings. Also, for a guy who is talked about going that high should have much better production in the MWC. And low completion % is the one stat that seems to translate the best to the pros. Fair points to be sure Let's also factor in his team was complete trash around him But most males physically mature into their mid 20s He's 22 He hasn't hit his physical peak, but yes, it's easier to project it than with a 18yo Again, Allen scares me, but I can see why teams would take the risk 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I think he is pretty “safe” but I can see him being fairly meh though. I think he has the highest floor. He's def the milqtoast of the top 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I think that the answer is Allen or Jackson. I voted Allen because Jackson will always be an elite athlete. If he is awful as a QB he could still be a dangerous receiver/returner. He is elite with the ball in his hands. Allen is a good athlete as well but I doubt he gets a chance elsewhere (like TE). Both have high ceilings and low floors as QBs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) Which guy won't bust and how is a bust defined are good questions too. I think the bust potential is high for all of them if less than pro bowl or 5+ year starter is the cutoff. I don't see Rosen as much of a football player, he's a guy who looks the part but lacks the heart imo. Allen has shown nothing but size and arm, a lot of unrealized potential. Lamar is a super athlete who plays qb, but very scheme dependent. Darnold is an unfinished product still, has regressed in college. Mayfield is off the charts in many ways but less than ideal size, for what that is worth. Rudolph is prototypical but is lacking arm etc. Maybe Lauletta or White will turn out the best and go to teams that don't need qbs, as an afterthought shot in the dark. They all have bust potential. Allen Jackson and Rosen are guys I could see not making it. Jackson is amazing dual threat but I can't see that lasting in the pros for too long. If I had to bet on one of them not to bust, I would pick Mayfield. Edited April 13, 2018 by Turk71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think that the answer is Allen or Jackson. I voted Allen because Jackson will always be an elite athlete. If he is awful as a QB he could still be a dangerous receiver/returner. He is elite with the ball in his hands. Allen is a good athlete as well but I doubt he gets a chance elsewhere (like TE). Both have high ceilings and low floors as QBs. Or he'll just be a RPO QB who runs around like Tyrod or Vick. he should be fine with using his legs for several years. He might never become a great QB but he'll play because he'll be a weapon until coaches figure him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think that the answer is Allen or Jackson. I voted Allen because Jackson will always be an elite athlete. If he is awful as a QB he could still be a dangerous receiver/returner. He is elite with the ball in his hands. Allen is a good athlete as well but I doubt he gets a chance elsewhere (like TE). Both have high ceilings and low floors as QBs. I agree with this. I think Jackson has the "floor" of Kordell Stewart. Guy brought a talented team to the AFC Championship. Edited April 13, 2018 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 i'm trying not to respond, i don't want to influence the voting. i'll just say that i think the voting so far is very interesting and not what i expected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I selected lamar, but Josh allen has the potential to be Drew Bledsoe 2.0. I was not a big fan of Bledsoe from a performance standpoint, I felt like his heart was there when in Buffalo, but he grew cement shoes. Just now, kdiggz said: i'm trying not to respond, i don't want to influence the voting. i'll just say that i think the voting so far is very interesting and not what i expected! Crazy, I looked at the results and thought it was pretty bang on with my own notions. thinking maybe flip flopping allen with jackson. I think since jackson's game resembles that of Tyrod Taylor, and we all know what Taylor's ceiling was, this really is no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Statistically says one to two will be busts and one to two will become very good. But which ones are which? I went with Jackson, but no one knows for certain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 22 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said: Crazy, I looked at the results and thought it was pretty bang on with my own notions. thinking maybe flip flopping allen with jackson. I think since jackson's game resembles that of Tyrod Taylor, and we all know what Taylor's ceiling was, this really is no surprise. The one player is who I thought but it's a lot closer than I thought it would be. Interesting stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Sweats said: I think Darnold is a melt down waiting to happen. I agree 110% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 There is a 50/50 shot the top four guys bust based on past high QB picks. Jackson isn’t nearly as risky a pick as the others IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 13, 2018 Author Share Posted April 13, 2018 Is anyone else surprised that the least likely to bust is Mayfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I put Josh Allen, but I think Mayfail is just as likely to fizzle like a dud firecracker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Is anyone else surprised that the least likely to bust is Mayfield? I don't think he's a polarizing as the others, like I'm sure a few think he will bust, but have somebody else as more likely to bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 I got Jackson, but Allen is a close 2nd. I think the NFL game is going to be too fast for Jackson mentally. LJ can still be molded into something else because of his athletic ability if need be though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 Just now, H2o said: I got Jackson, but Allen is a close 2nd. I think the NFL game is going to be too fast for Jackson mentally. LJ can still be molded into something else because of his athletic ability if need be though. Have you heard him talking? I think checkers is too fast for him mentally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) Josh Allen and it's not even close IMO. Can't "teach" accuracy. He's the Jeff George of the 21st Century NFL. Rosen would be second. IMO he's a younger Jay Cutler. Lots of talent but he's no fighter. He'll be great until he gets the proverbial punch in the face. Jackson would be third, the Vince Young of the modern age. His athleticism is elite in the college game and he used it brilliantly, but in the NFL, everybody is an elite athlete and his #1 advantage is erased. Edited April 13, 2018 by dpberr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) I voted for Allen, probably should have picked Jackson. Anyway, seems to be pretty clear what the opinion of this board is. One of the 2 is viewed as the likely bust. The rest of the QBs people seem pretty comfortable with. And, if Thurmanator hadn't voted 6 times for Rosen his % would be 0%. Edited April 13, 2018 by horned dogs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, dpberr said: Josh Allen and it's not even close IMO. Can't "teach" accuracy. He's the Jeff George of the 21st Century NFL. Rosen would be second. IMO he's a younger Jay Cutler. Lots of talent but he's no fighter. He'll be great until he gets the proverbial punch in the face. Jackson would be third, the Vince Young of the modern age. His athleticism is elite in the college game and he used it brilliantly, but in the NFL, everybody is an elite athlete and his #1 advantage is erased. Um. His athleticism is still top tier, even in the NFL, and he would still have an advantage. The gap just isn't as wide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 13, 2018 Share Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) In 2017 I wanted Deshaun Watson really bad. In 2018 I want nothing to do with Lamar Jackson. He has trouble reading defense's, he has poor accuracy, his legs look like they will snap like twigs. He doesn't put touch on his passes, seems to throw bullet passes all over the field even to guys in the flat. JaMarcus Russell had this same problem through college and the pro's and all his WR's had lots of dropped balls. I think NFL defense's are going to be too much for Jackson to handle. As sure as I am that Watson will be a good QB I have the exact opposite feeling about Jackson. Edited April 13, 2018 by Call_Of_Ktulu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Obviously it depends on where they go, but I feel if Lamar gets on the wrong team, gets asked to make magic with his feet too much he will get injured quickly and fizzle out. I get a feeling from Rosen kinda like tannehill or Cutler, not busts but not the answer either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 19 hours ago, CuddyDark said: 1. Allen 2. Rosen 3. Jackson I consider Allen and Jackson question marks and 50/50 shots. So, I wouldn’t consider them busts. So, I would only consider Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield potential busts. I went with Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Is it possible they all bust? I'm so damn negative. I don't want to use up all our draft capital on Christian Ponder 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I chose Josh Allen but then again, I thought Roethlisberger was going to be a bust too. when he came out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Not the Bills problem. They take Riley Ferguson in the second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I went Jackson, just because I think he'll be done with an ACL tear within 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I voted J. Allen. Although I think his chances of success are slightly higher than Lamar Jackson. There are higher expectations for Allen and he will be a higher pick, so bigger bust potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I voted for Rosen he will surely bust big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 here you go the biggest bust of all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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