BrotherChazz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 No conspiracy theories or anything, but it really is very curious as to why his numbers aren't out there yet. It seems pretty common place for numbers to Leak out within minutes of someone signing, so we are we so far removed from landing a big FA without having his numbers? It's just strange at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, BrotherChazz said: No conspiracy theories or anything, but it really is very curious as to why his numbers aren't out there yet. It seems pretty common place for numbers to Leak out within minutes of someone signing, so we are we so far removed from landing a big FA without having his numbers? It's just strange at this point. Agreed. It is very weird, especially because they released all of the other numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Numbers are probably low and the agent doesn't want to lower the market. If it were a big contract I think they would have released the numbers. The bills don't release contract numbers or at least they didn't for a long time. So I feel it's the agents doing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I find this strange as well. I am actually excited about this pick up. I think he will have a huge impact on our Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny3410 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I find this strange as well. I am actually excited about this pick up. I think he will have a huge impact on our Defense. Agreed. However we haven't in my eyes overpaid for anybody so far in Free Agency. With that being said I would be shocked if when the numbers do come in we will be unhappy. I believe we are going to see the real Star shine this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Numbers are probably low and the agent doesn't want to lower the market. If it were a big contract I think they would have released the numbers. The bills don't release contract numbers or at least they didn't for a long time. So I feel it's the agents doing. Never thought of this...nice point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Numbers are probably low and the agent doesn't want to lower the market. If it were a big contract I think they would have released the numbers. The bills don't release contract numbers or at least they didn't for a long time. So I feel it's the agents doing. Hope you're right. I'd hate to think its because their embarrassed they overpaid for 1 dimensional DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
******* Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Pretty smart move by bills to not let’s that out to other agents. Still think the bills are going to sign a few Moreno cheap free agents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Hope you're right. I'd hate to think its because their embarrassed they overpaid for 1 dimensional DT. if this was the case his agent would of tweeted his major score seconds after the ink dried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 It's a good thing you're asking this question, OP. The whole thread dedicated to this didn't once ask about his contract numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Agent doesnt leak numbers typically means the team did real well with the contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 You don't need number b.c people have already proven more than capable of overreacting without them. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I agree it’s not typical that the numbers aren’t out yet. But I’m unsure why so many people are worried about whether the Bills “overpaid.” Anyone signed on the 1st day of FA looks “overpaid” ... the cap keeps going up and the FA class isn’t spectacular this year so there are a lot of eyebrow raising contracts. Each player has a certain value to the team that signs him. Why the angst? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Numbers are probably low and the agent doesn't want to lower the market. If it were a big contract I think they would have released the numbers. The bills don't release contract numbers or at least they didn't for a long time. So I feel it's the agents doing. I tend to agree somewhat, but I don't think Lotulelei would've signed a 5-year deal if it was that big of a discount. Unless it's got some crazy 1 or 2 year void clauses or something. But I'll be very surprised if it's a huge, market-setting deal, because if it was, you'd think his agent would've leaked it right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cash said: I tend to agree somewhat, but I don't think Lotulelei would've signed a 5-year deal if it was that big of a discount. Unless it's got some crazy 1 or 2 year void clauses or something. But I'll be very surprised if it's a huge, market-setting deal, because if it was, you'd think his agent would've leaked it right away. I am guessing right around 8.5M a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, ******* said: Pretty smart move by bills to not let’s that out to other agents. Still think the bills are going to sign a few Moreno cheap free agents but his agent can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I think there high and Beane doesn’t want to show we overpaid for ⭐️. I think he’s a good player that we badly need. So we probably overpaid ???. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 53 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: It's a good thing you're asking this question, OP. The whole thread dedicated to this didn't once ask about his contract numbers. Doctors recommend cutting down salt intake to maintain a healthy blood pressure. This post, then, is not physician approved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 47 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I agree it’s not typical that the numbers aren’t out yet. But I’m unsure why so many people are worried about whether the Bills “overpaid.” Anyone signed on the 1st day of FA looks “overpaid” ... the cap keeps going up and the FA class isn’t spectacular this year so there are a lot of eyebrow raising contracts. Each player has a certain value to the team that signs him. Why the angst? They remember when bread was a nickel and forget about the ever rising cap and inflation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Why does anyone think it should be a “discount” or “bargain” deal to come to Buffalo? The guy is a 1st Time UFA. Are we the Patriots all of a sudden? What am I missing... Edited March 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: It's a good thing you're asking this question, OP. The whole thread dedicated to this didn't once ask about his contract numbers. I found it very helpful to be able to review posts addressing only this issue. Much more efficient than scrolling through the original thread, which was not terribly helpful on this point. I will be the first to admit that I don't understand the specific TBD policy on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, BrotherChazz said: No conspiracy theories or anything, but it really is very curious as to why his numbers aren't out there yet. It seems pretty common place for numbers to Leak out within minutes of someone signing, so we are we so far removed from landing a big FA without having his numbers? It's just strange at this point. We signed him on the barter system obvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I mean, he should really be paying the Bills for the chance to play here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: I mean, he should really be paying the Bills for the chance to play here. Seriously or at least doing maintenance on the building on his off time. It's a privilege to play here for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 They haven't figured out how to charge Bitcoin against the cap yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: I am guessing right around 8.5M a year Could be. I'll say closer to 10mil a year, but not much over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I think he's playing for free. The reason it's being kept a secret is because he doesn't want the backlash from the union, once they find out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I'm thinking the Bills would like to keep it quite so they can continue to fish in the FA pond, without tipping how much cap room they have left. Don't want to scare off a prospect who might think they don't have any more money to spend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I guess it was more than the scheme that got Star here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Full Breakdown: Star Lotulelei's five-year deal with Buffalo is worth $50 million with $25 million guaranteed. He gets a $13M signing bonus. He gets base salaries of $3.5M (fully guaranteed) in 2018, $7.15M (all guaranteed for injury, $2M fully guaranteed at signing, another $5.15M guaranteed if on roster fifth day of 2019) in 2019, $6.25 million ($1.35M guaranteed for injury only) in 2020, $6.5 million in 2021 and $6.5 million in 2022. He gets roster bonuses of $1M in 2019, 2021 and 2022 and $500,000 in 2020 — all due fifth day of league year. He also gets 46-man roster bonuses of $31,250 per game from 2018 through 2022. There are workout bonuses of $100,000 in 2018 and $250,000 from 2019-22. Mike Rodak, ESPN Staff Writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I feel like we over paid but we were in desperate need of a run stuffing DT that can push the pocket. McD familiarity with him can only be a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 So with him, Murphy, Ivory and Davis....where does our cap look like now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The Bills clearly structured Star Lotulelei's deal to take advantage of their more advantageous salary-cap situation in 2019. His salary-cap number is a manageable $6.7 million in 2018 before ballooning to $11.5 million in 2019. He then counts $10.1 million in 2020, $10.85 million in 2021 and $10.85 million in 2022. Mike Rodak, ESPN Staff Writer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 WOW!! Glad its not my money. No way he's worth that. Don't get me wrong, he's a good signing but 10 mil per. Betcha Suh signs for the same if not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The Bills never reveal contract terms. Look at the agent and Schefter for answers It’s not my money or yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloSkills Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 i wish I got bonuses for showing up and being employed. super peanut butter and jelly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 $10 mil a year is not that out of line for a good DT in the prime of his career. With the cap increasing each year that $11 mil in 3 years is more like $9 mil equivalent now. Star will just be 31. That’s not old for DT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Ha! the exact numbers (50 and 25) I called! I was way off on AJ McCarron though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Ha! the exact numbers (50 and 25) I called! I was way off on AJ McCarron though. Holy crapola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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