Inigo Montoya Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, dlonce said: Actually that is not great news. We lose a potential draft partner in the Giants. The Giants will take Barkley in a nano second. That leaves us with the Colts. The Browns will take Barkley 1st overall. I also believe the Browns will take Baker Mayfield at 4. Just a hunch. I see it differently. If the Browns go QB at 1, I think their pick at 4 is in play. I don’t see the Giants trading out of the 2 spot. They either grab Barkley, or they snag the #1 QB on their board to slide in behind an aging Eli. Then Gettleman will have his franchise QB for the next ten years. Edited March 15, 2018 by Inigo Montoya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: It's pretty clear the Browns choices are Darnold or Allen. I'd have to believe it'll be Darnold, but you just never know. I think we'll trade up with NYG to #2. 1) Cle - Darnold 2) Buf - Rosen (admittedly personal preference, could be Allen) 3) Indy - Barkley 4) Cle - Likely Fitzpatrick could be Chubb 5) Den - Mayfield or Allen or Rosen 6) NYJ - Mayfield or Allen or Rosen 7) TB - likely whoever between Chubb / Fitzpatrick 8) Here's where I could see the Giants coming back up from 12 to get Nelson (or Chubb / Fitzpatrick if Nelson is gone) Basically the Giants can get #12 / #22 / #56 / #65 from us for #2, then use #12 / ~#66 to get one of the guys they are likely considering at 2 (if they aren't going QB) in the 7-9 range. 1.) CLE. Darnold 2.)Giants Rosen 3.) Indy Chubb 4.) Buff. Mayfield 5.) Den. Allen 6.) Jets ...wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't Lamar Jackson Edited March 15, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, PIZ said: Just saw this on CBS. Do the Browns really like Allen? 1. Cleveland Browns ............... Josh Allen, QB, Wyoming: There is an argument the Browns could not take a quarterback after getting Tyrod Taylor, but getting Taylor makes it even easier to stand up at the top of the draft and take a quarterback who you don't need to play right away. Allen mimicks the Chiefs draft of Patrick Mahomes very nicely. 2. New York Giants ...............Quenton Nelson, OL, Notre Dame: Dave Gettleman is going to stay here and take a blue-chip player who can help the Giants right away. It will either be Nelson or Barkley, and after missing out on Andrew Norwell in free agency, he leans for the nasty Notre Dame guard. 3. Buffalo Bills (via MOCK TRADE with Indianapolis Colts) ................Sam Darnold, QB, USC: A really well-played offseason by the Bills here, as a slew of trades and movements ultimately results in them being able to package a bunch of picks, move up and grab their quarterback of the future. Legions of draftniks shriek about Darnold's tiny little hands in the harsh Buffalo weather. 4. Cleveland Browns (via Houston Texans) .................Bradley Chubb, DE, NC State: Tough choice here between Chubb and Barkley, but the Browns land the best player in the draft at No. 4 and suddenly they are cooking with GAS on their defensive line. 5. Denver Broncos ................Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma: The Broncos signed Case Keenum in free agency and gave him a lot of money but that certainly doesn't prohibit them from drafting someone else at the top. John Elway's been all over Mayfield this offseason. 6. New York Jets ...............Josh Rosen, QB, UCLA: The Jets definitely can't be ruled out from taking a quarterback either, despite grabbing Teddy Bridgewater and Josh McCown in free agency. 7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers ..................Saquon Barkley, RB, Penn State: This feels crazy. Barkley's considered a potential top pick in this draft. But if the Colts trade down and the Giants don't take him, he could fall. The Buccaneers cut Doug Martin and might swoop on this. Based on everything we know thus far, this is the most realistic mock draft I've seen yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, Yav said: I’m not sure who pics what but I do agree that the Bills have to get to #2 to get the QB they want. Yea, you can just say "Cle - QB / need to move up to 2 or 3 for Bills QB / Broncos QB / Jets QB" But my point is largely, if the Colts or Giants aren't taking QB and they have Barkley / Nelson / Fitzpatrick / Chubb with similar grades while being OK with BPA, they likely could trade down with us for several picks, then give a little bit back to go back up to the 7/8 spot and get a similar level player they were looking at with 2/3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I wouldn't rule out Barkley. They could use Barkley as the lead back, and Hyde as basically the back-up or part of a very strong committee. Don't think Duke Johnson is good enough to have any bearing on the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: 1.) CLE. Darnold 2.)Giants Rosen 3.) Indy Chubb 4.) Buff. Mayfield 5.) Den. Allen 6.) Jets ...wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't Lamar Jackson I hate to burst your bubble, but I think Mayfield is 4th on our QB list (maybe even 5th with Jackson). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: I hate to burst your bubble, but I think Mayfield is 4th on our QB list (maybe even 5th with Jackson). 4th on our list assuming none of them are gone before we pick right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXCOL3 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The argument that Cleveland will pass on Barkley at 1 I can understand with usual circumstances. The browns don't have a usual circumstance though (one 1st round pick) too boot they have 2 picks in the first 4 selections. The two teams that pick between the browns selections already have a franchise QB but they do not have talent like Barkley. This is why they can afford to grab Barkley at 1 and still have a solid chance at a QB at 4 barring any trades, they will still land a top QB prospect and one heck of an athlete in Barkley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I love Carlos Hyde but he has injury issues so it would open the window (door but smaller) to draft Barkley. Either way, Barkley will most likely go in the first 2 picks. If Barkley goes 1st, then we may want to trade up to the 2nd pick to get our pick of QB but if Barkley goes second then we should try to trade up to get a QB. I'm thinking we want either of the Joshs' (Rosen or Allen). Most exciting offseason in a long time. Lets Go Buffalo!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 35 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: 4th on our list assuming none of them are gone before we pick right? Yes. I think Allen / Darnold / Rosen are above him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 The original point of my post was that the Browns signing Hyde makes it less likely they go Barkley at 1. They gave Hyde $15 million over three years. That’s not “change of pace” RB money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I think the Browns have every intention of drafting Darnold at #1 with Tyrod as the bridge to him. I can see either Barkley or Nelson to the NYG at #2. The Colts have quite a few needs and the Bills can help them to make it a win-win for both teams. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I think it would be idiotic for the Browns to pass on Darnold - absolutely insane. Do what you need to in order to get the RB, after you've secured the QB. QBs play forever, RBs are done at 30. Naturally, the Browns being the Browns there's a 50% chance they do something stupid. And if they do, there is nothing in the world you wouldn't give to the Giants to move up and get him. It's Darnold, or stay at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Browns are taking Barkley and he should be the 1st player taken in this draft. He reminds me of Bettis but way faster and more agile, I don't think you can pass on a guy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 I don’t see the Giants taking Nelson if Barkley is there. The Giants O-line is a mess and Nelson is the best guard in the draft, but I don’t know if you would use the #2 overall pick on a guard. If you’re right and the Giants do take Nelson at 2, I think you can forget about the Colts trading out of the 3 spot. They will snatch up Barkley in a hot second to pair with and take the heat off Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The Browns would be stupid to take Barkley first overall. You don’t take a RB first overall. No matter how talented. I hope they take Barkley at one. That would be good news for Buffalo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: I don’t see the Giants taking Nelson if Barkley is there. The Giants O-line is a mess and Nelson is the best guard in the draft, but I don’t know if you would use the #2 overall pick on a guard. If you’re right and the Giants do take Nelson at 2, I think you can forget about the Colts trading out of the 3 spot. They will snatch up Barkley in a hot second to pair with and take the heat off Luck. Any GM who uses the number 2 overall pick in this draft on an offensive guard should be fired on the spot—not the next day, not the next week. And if I am a Browns fan, who watched my team pass on QB after QB, I would throw the remote through the screen if they take a RB first and don’t get a QB with Pick 4. What the Browns should do is take their number 1 rated QB at 1, then trade 4 to Buffalo for 12, 22 and next year’s 1 or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Nor should there be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: The Browns would be stupid to take Barkley first overall. You don’t take a RB first overall. No matter how talented. I hope they take Barkley at one. That would be good news for Buffalo. What if they took Barkley at #1 and Allen at #4? Would you do this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I am seeing some crazy logic that they would not draft Barkley because they drafted Hyde. Hyde, at this point, is a change of pace back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The Bills have to be as prepared as they can be for any possible scenario if they have visions of trading up for a top QB. The question we can answer is, are they locked into a particular one of the top three or four, or do they think any one of two, three or four would be acceptable. If it is the former, they have reason to be pretty nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I am seeing some crazy logic that they would not draft Barkley because they drafted Hyde. Hyde, at this point, is a change of pace back. A 3 year, $15 million change of pace back? I’m not going to pretend to be an expert on RB salaries but that seems pretty steep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I dont think the Browns will pass on a QB at #1. As good a combine as Barkley had, he is an RB...QB's affect W's and L's way more than RB's. RB is the position with the shortest career statistically. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 I just checked RB salaries and with Hyde’s new contract he is the 11th highest paid back in the league. I don’t see that as a change of pace contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, stony said: There's no way the new regime doesn't take QB at #1. That's why there's a new regime, because the guys before them didn't pull the trigger. So you're saying the Browns are going to pass on the best player to play the most difficult position in all of pro sports, because they traded for TT so they can groom a less talented player to play the most difficult position in all of pro sports. The fault in your logic is that the Browns have both the #1 and the #4 pick. That the Browns have hinted that they were "open" to trading the #1 suggests that they don't think one of the QBs is so special they have to have him. If the Browns don't love a particular QB, then why would they take him #1 over Saquan who is easily the best prospect in the draft? It's not like they don't get another crack at a QB until round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I get the impression that Allen is more of the Dorsey/Haley prototype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, SoTier said: The fault in your logic is that the Browns have both the #1 and the #4 pick. That the Browns have hinted that they were "open" to trading the #1 suggests that they don't think one of the QBs is so special they have to have him. If the Browns don't love a particular QB, then why would they take him #1 over Saquan who is easily the best prospect in the draft? It's not like they don't get another crack at a QB until round 2. When have the Browns hinted they were "open" to dealing #1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, stony said: When have the Browns hinted they were "open" to dealing #1? The GM, about four weeks ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 If the top QB on the Browns board is Josh Allen they almost certainly can get him at #4 and would no doubt take Barkley at #1. Barkley is the best player in this draft and all of the top 5 QB's have a few warts. Allen - Accuracy Darnold - Turnover machine in both high school and college Jackson - Accuracy Mayfield - Size and over the top cockiness Rosen - Attitude and concussion issues Granted the Browns just signed Hyde but he is nowhere close to being the RB that Barkley will be. Duke Johnson had every opportunity to beat out Crowell the last couple of years but never was able to do so. Barkley would be the starter with Hyde as the short yardage/goal line guy and Johnson would be the inexpensive insurance policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 signing hyde & TT allows browns to go in any direction. they now have a huge hole at LT if i was browns.....i'm picking QB at #1.......i don't care how good that RB is i'm not interested in the 3rd best QB at #4. i would trade out of #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) Browns need to just draft the top QB on their board. If they want Barkley that bad, they can trade up to get him at 2 as they have tons of draft ammunition. If I were them, I would not mess around with the QB position once again. Just pick whoever they think is best, and either trade up to get Barkley if they love him that much, or pick Chubb or Fitzpatrick at 4. Edited March 15, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 It could be that they grabbed Hyde to keep Barkley from getting beat to sh_t... Maybe Hue has had his eye on Jackson the whole time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The way the Saints ran the football with 2 quality RB's will be copied. Hear a lot of the scouts saying guys like Barkley come out once every 20 years. It's going to be interesting to see what the Browns do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 15, 2018 Author Share Posted March 15, 2018 Ingram and Kamara make less combined than Hyde does with his new contract. It just seems like a big contract for Hyde to be a change of pace back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Browns will take a QB ( probably Darnold ) at #1. Giants will not pass on Barkley, the surest game-changing talent in this draft. That means the Colts pick at #3 should be the trade target for the Bills. We don't know if Darnold or whomever is their top QB though. If another team trades into that spot, I'm not convinced the Bills try to get to the top 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Nor should there be. This is so obvious that it's kinda funny that it's actually being debated. 1 hour ago, frostbitmic said: If the top QB on the Browns board is Josh Allen they almost certainly can get him at #4 and would no doubt take Barkley at #1. Barkley is the best player in this draft and all of the top 5 QB's have a few warts. Allen - Accuracy Darnold - Turnover machine in both high school and college Jackson - Accuracy Mayfield - Size and over the top cockiness Rosen - Attitude and concussion issues Granted the Browns just signed Hyde but he is nowhere close to being the RB that Barkley will be. Duke Johnson had every opportunity to beat out Crowell the last couple of years but never was able to do so. Barkley would be the starter with Hyde as the short yardage/goal line guy and Johnson would be the inexpensive insurance policy. They are taking Darnold, and it is the right move. He is really good and only 20 years old. The Bills would love the chance to get Darnold - I can almost guarantee you that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: What if they took Barkley at #1 and Allen at #4? Would you do this? I would be the one on my left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Now that the Browns have signed Hyde, I'd be amazed if they didn't take Darnold with the 1st pick. I hop I'm wrong, but I just don't see any way we can get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Had they not signed Hyde I think the Browns would have taken Barkley #1 overall. It's still a possibility but to me now it is less likely because they can still get a back like Juice in the 1st round. I think the Browns where they are sitting now, will take Sam Darnold or Josh Allen #1 overall. They will definitely entertain several offers for the #4 pick. This is why the Bills IMO need to get to #3. If the Bills get to #3 they can take their pick of Rosen or Mayfield or whoever is not selected by the Browns. I don't want Allen, I've made that known lol. But the Beane and McD will select the best guy that fits in with what they are building. Denver or NYJ or Miami or Arizona will be selling their lives to Cleveland at the 4. The Browns could sell 4 to either Denver or NYJ and still get Fitzpatrick at CB and pick up an extra 3rd round pick (the one the lost to us). Right now if I had to predict the way the draft would go in the first 4 picks I'd say: 1. Browns - Darnold 2. Giants - Barkley 3. Trade Alert 4. Trade Alert The tricky part is figuring out 3 and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: The Browns have a lot of cap space but they have a lot of holes to fill too. Barkley can do it all, run, pass protect, and catch passes. The only time he’s coming off the field is for a quick breather now and then. I just don’t think they need Duke Johnson and Carlos Hyde to split the handful of snaps a game he’s not on the field. Duke Johnson is really more redundant to Jarvis Landry. Also, Hue egregiously ignores him. #FreeDuke Edited March 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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