Why Nick Foles will most likely be traded before March 16?

[IgotBILLStopay]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-foles-free-agents-and-all-the-offseason-decisions-the-eagles-now-face/amp/

 

Several new outlets have been reporting that Philly's best option is to retain Foles as insurance till Wentz is fully healthy. I disagree.

 

Philly has one of the worst cap situations in the league. See, for example, the link provided above. It is so bad that let alone Foles' 7 mill, even the 3 mill roster bonus that Philly will have to eat if Foles is not traded or released before March 16 might be difficult to stomach.

 

Pederson's comments minutes after winning the super bowl where he was very reluctant to give a ringing endorsement to Foles ( he said one person does not make a team or something like that) as well as the fact that Foles' trade value might never be higher will likely ensure a Foles trade.

 

 

[BuffaloDave55]

You think wrong.  Wentz won't be ready till at least week 4.

[whatdrought]

They just showed that they can win a Super Bowl with Nick Foles but without Jason Peters. If push comes to shove they'd be better off getting rid of Peters. 

[#34fan]

In world of uncertainty, Foles is a proven commodity... I'd offload a few other players before I even THINK about dealing him.... What if Wentz's knee blows out again in week 6?!

 

Can Sudfeld take that team the rest of the way?

[JPP]

Cant see the eagles getting rid of Foles next season especially if Wentz's health is not 100% week 1?  But if they do i really hope the bills make a strong push to get him!

[whatdrought]

I also think that Foles actually has more trade value in the preseason/mid-season due to injury. This is a pretty thick QB market (comparatively speaking) and teams might be hesitant to give up more than a 2nd for him. Come August-October and a starting QB on a team with playoff aspirations, or with a coach on the hot seat, and 1st round probably is much more realistic. 

[BillnutinHouston]

23 minutes ago, #34fan said:

In world of uncertainty, Foles is a proven commodity...

 

 

Sounds like a movie trailer.

[The Wiz]

47 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

 

Sounds like a movie trailer.

In a league filled with backup QBs, only one has what it takes, to win it all...

 

Wait wasn't that basically the movie "second string"???

[Kelly the Dog]

The thing is, if they don't get rid of him it could create a huge problem for the team, especially if Wentz is just about ready but not fully 100% when the season starts.

[Bring it]

I think if the deal is right Philly will trade Foles. We’ve had a pretty good trade relationship with the Eagles. I could see it happening.

[Tatonka68]

I might think about returning the 3rd round pick from the Darby Trade and the 5th Round pick from the Dareus Trade for Foles but that is it.

 

Edited February 11, 2018 by Tatonka68

[Kelly the Dog]

12 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

I might think about returning the 3rd round pick from the Darby Trade and the 5th Round pick from the Dareus Trade for Foles but that is it.

 

It's going to take a lot more than that. Not sure it is worth a lot more than that but probably is just on the 10-20% chance that he is going to be a franchise guy. If you consider that even though he may not be a franchise guy you got one of the very best backups in the league.

[IgotBILLStopay]

Hmm the WSJ also says it is smart for Philly to trade Foles.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/nick-foles-is-a-philadelphia-herotime-to-trade-him-1518105531

 

Foles is signed to a cheap contract that stays cheap if Philly trade him before next offseason. So it is a question of if and not when that Foles is traded (if he stays on the Philly roster in early 2019, he becomes a free agent and Philly will get nothing in return).

 

The only question is the 2.4 million Philly will save if he is traded before March 16. Keeping him on as an insurance policy till the Wentz return can no doubt be worth  that money - but the more teams address their draft needs through the FA market (Cousins, Keenum, Bradford, Bridgewater, McCown)and the draft, the less attractive offers Philly will get (it reduces the market for Foles).

 

And I think it will take at least one of Buffalo's first rounders to get him - all this talk of 2nd round picks etc. not going to cut it. I can see that a team with a top 10 pick and a legit shot at a franchise QB in this deep draft will not offer the draft pick. But Foles is certainly worth a late first rounder. 

[KD in CA]

I don't see them even considering trading him in the offseason.

 

Maybe if/when Wentz comes back fully healthy and they can get a kings ransom out of some team who loses its QB mid-year they consider it.

[Beast]

They could always trade Foles and sign a veteran QB on a short term deal.

 

 

[Fred Clause]

3 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I also think that Foles actually has more trade value in the preseason/mid-season due to injury. This is a pretty thick QB market (comparatively speaking) and teams might be hesitant to give up more than a 2nd for him. Come August-October and a starting QB on a team with playoff aspirations, or with a coach on the hot seat, and 1st round probably is much more realistic. 

Except it has to be a team that is contending that loses the Qb and has the 7 million in free cap space. The market is better when you have more teams bidding against each other...

3 hours ago, JPP said:

Cant see the eagles getting rid of Foles next season especially if Wentz's health is not 100% week 1?  But if they do i really hope the bills make a strong push to get him!

Today’s ACL injuries heal as fast as 6 months. He will be ready for training camp...

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

And I think it will take at least one of Buffalo's first rounders to get him - all this talk of 2nd round picks etc. not going to cut it. I can see that a team with a top 10 pick and a legit shot at a franchise QB in this deep draft will not offer the draft pick. But Foles is certainly worth a late first rounder. 

 

 

No way I give a 1st for Nick Foles. Not a chance. I'd despair if this team did that. 

[Real McClappy]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The thing is, if they don't get rid of him it could create a huge problem for the team, especially if Wentz is just about ready but not fully 100% when the season starts.

Not even that, if Wentz shows any struggles next year the fan base and Media will be going nutty to start Foles.  What a flavored popcorn pickle Philly has to deal with.

[Kelly the Dog]

6 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Not even that, if Wentz shows any struggles next year the fan base and Media will be going nutty to start Foles.  What a flavored popcorn pickle Philly has to deal with.

That is exactly what I meant. And it could go any number of bad ways.

 

Foles starts the season and plays poorly but they win almost all of them... and now Wentz is ready.

 

Foles plays the first few games and is quite good but not great, and now Wentz is ready and half the team thinks Wentz is the guy and half think Foles is.

 

Wentz has a quick recovery and starts the season but is only average and the fans want Foles.

 

IMO there is more possible trouble that good situations.

[#34fan]

20 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Not even that, if Wentz shows any struggles next year the fan base and Media will be going nutty to start Foles.  What a flavored popcorn pickle Philly has to deal with.

 

They'll cannibalize Wentz in half a heartbeat... City of brotherly love my a__!

[NewEra]

If they don’t trade Foles, they’re idiots imo.  Grab your 2nd rd pick and get yourself some cap relief.  Thanks for being a great backup and winning a SB.....time to move on

Edited February 11, 2018 by NewEra

[#34fan]

19 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If they don’t trade Foles, they’re idiots imo.  Grab your 2nd rd pick and get yourself some cap relief.  Thanks for being a great backup and winning a SB.....time to move on

 

Ouch! -Dayum!

[Buddo]

Much depends on the prognosis for Wentz, tbh. I think I've seen something, somewhere, that says his injury wasn't as simple as being made out, in that something else got injured alongside his acl. I have no idea what that might be, but while the return from the injury (s) was still confidently predicted, the timeline wasn't.

 

The Eagles signed Foles to his deal in the first instance, they must already have some sort of plan in place, for dealing with their cap issues. It makes no sense for them, at all, to trade Foles, without an adequate backup in place, in case Wentz cannot start the season. Where are you going to find another backup who has proven they can win a SB for you?

 

Doesn't really matter what 'value' anyone else might think Foles has, what matters is the value he has to the Eagles, and currently, that's probably higher than anyone else has it.

 

As someone else has also pointed out, assuming they can do it within the CBA, cutting Peters can easily sort out their cap 'issues' for the moment, and at 36 yrs old, I suspect his days are numbered in the NFL anyway.

[ALF]

I think they keep him till Wentz is 100%. They can start restructuring other contracts now. I would not rush a valuable franchise QB back , too risky.

[ALLEN1QB]

Sure must be nice to have two starting quarterbacks on one team do you think Buffalo will ever have this problem

[26CornerBlitz]

Trading Foles before the Eagles are 100% certain that Wentz will be ready to start the season makes no sense at all.  No different from the other two threads on Foles.

[FearLess Price]

17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Trading Foles before the Eagles are 100% certain that Wentz will be ready to start the season makes no sense at all.  No different from the other two threads on Foles.

 

Also they kept Bradford and waited until Bridgewater went down with the knee injury to fleece them for a 1st round pick.

 

I think philli is def gonna pawn Foles for a 1st round pick.  Not sure when, i just hope its not us.

 

 

Lets trade up and draft one of the top 3. 

 

 

Edit: im sure the Eagles and Rams do not regret going full Ditka now.

Edited February 11, 2018 by FearLess Price

[billsredneck1]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

If they don’t trade Foles, they’re idiots imo.  Grab your 2nd rd pick and get yourself some cap relief.  Thanks for being a great backup and winning a SB.....time to move on

agreed. i think it would make more sense for them to move him predraft. i would gladly give no.22 for him. we can still take a dt and then move back up for rudolph or vise versa, or maybe they're thinking mike white or someone later.

 

i would think they'd want to have their cap and draft capitol under control before then.

Edited February 11, 2018 by billsredneck1

[/dev/null]

24 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Trading Foles before the Eagles are 100% certain that Wentz will be ready to start the season makes no sense at all.  No different from the other two threads on Foles.

 

Agreed.

 

The only way Foles gets traded is if he asks to go somewhere he can start.  Even then I don't see the Eagles trading Foles to Cleveland or Arizona for some random picks.  They'll work with Foles to get him somewhere he wants to go.

[billsredneck1]

1 minute ago, /dev/null said:

 

Agreed.

 

The only way Foles gets traded is if he asks to go somewhere he can start.  Even then I don't see the Eagles trading Foles to Cleveland or Arizona for some random picks.  They'll work with Foles to get him somewhere he wants to go.

That would be the right thing to do.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Agreed.

 

The only way Foles gets traded is if he asks to go somewhere he can start.  Even then I don't see the Eagles trading Foles to Cleveland or Arizona for some random picks.  They'll work with Foles to get him somewhere he wants to go.

And you think that the Super Bowl MVP doesn’t want to start? There’s zero chance he’s going to be happy playing for four weeks just to give the ball back to Wentz. And, if he’s 4-0 at that point the Eagles are going to have a mess in their hands. Foles will be traded.

[BadLandsMeanie]

From reading this I gather that we Bills fans have been so warped by our collective experience with our abysmal team that we all agree that winning a Superbowl and having two good starting quarterbacks is a terrible situation to be in. How will the Eagles staff ever cope? There doesn't seem to be any way out?!?! God help them.

[billsredneck1]

he would be a perfect fit in buffalo. if we can get some good vet help at rt and one good pick for the line, we could compete for the division easily.

[Manther]

13 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I also think that Foles actually has more trade value in the preseason/mid-season due to injury. This is a pretty thick QB market (comparatively speaking) and teams might be hesitant to give up more than a 2nd for him. Come August-October and a starting QB on a team with playoff aspirations, or with a coach on the hot seat, and 1st round probably is much more realistic. 

Excellent points

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

And you think that the Super Bowl MVP doesn’t want to start? There’s zero chance he’s going to be happy playing for four weeks just to give the ball back to Wentz. And, if he’s 4-0 at that point the Eagles are going to have a mess in their hands. Foles will be traded.

 

He's under contract. 

Happy or not, Foles, put on your Big Boy panties, say your prayers to Lord Jesus for arranging all things according to His Plan for Your life, and Get 'r Done.

 

The only way it makes sense to trade Foles is if they 1) get an offer they absolutely can't refuse prior to his roster bonus coming due (likely) and 2) can more cheaply sign a guy they are confident can take them to 2-2 or 3-3 in case Wentz isn't ready (iffy)

 

I say "iffy": they save $5.4M by trading Foles. Josh McCown signed for 1 yr $6M, Case Keenum for $2M, Ryan Fitzpatrick for $3M, Chad Henne $3.5M, Jay Cutler $10M.  You're asking if Foles is worth more to the team than the $2M-$3M they save after they trade him and sign a different backup - dubious

[Doc]

I'd easily give up the 22nd pick pick for Foles, especially if the alternative is taking a wholly unproven, lower-rated rookie.  The guy averaged almost 40 PPG (after going to the RPO) against the #1 and #4 scoring defenses in the NFL and did that on the road and in the biggest games of his/anyone's career.  And he just turned 29 and hasn't played a lot/taken a lot of hits so he could be in the league another 10 years.

 

Now Ideally trading down to the end of the 1st and using that would be ideal, but I doubt any team will do a deal before the pick comes up and I feel that a deal would need to be done before the draft.  That is, if Philly decides to trade him at all.  But they have cap issues and paying Foles $3M in a roster bonus on 3/18 doesn't help them.

[CA OC Bills Fan]

First, I’d love for the Bills to get Foles, I don’t believe his postseason play is a fluke.

 

The Eagles do not have significant cap issues that would force them to make this move, Jason Peters will be gone if he doesn’t restructure to give cap relief. They have less free agents than most teams and I believe know what they want or can do with them. Combined, there top two qbs are making less than many teams are paying one. They will get get a quality backup cheaper than Foles. Wentz had an acl and lcl tear. Those are the reasons the Eagles should keep him.

 

On the other hand, Wentz still is confident he’ll be ready and will start the season opener. It seems unlikely the Eagles will be able to keep Foles for more than this season as he will sign a big contract elsewhere. They can likely get a first for him now or get nothing next year (unless they plan to tag and trade which could be possible). 

 

Ultimately, I think it depends on:

- when do they believe Wentz will be ready

- what are they offered 

- what is their backup backup ab plan

 

As I started with, I would be thrilled for the Bills to make a run for him.

[bmur66]

If the Eagles are in cap hell and don't think they have a shot at repeating, then maybe they will have a fire sale.

[jr1]

they should keep him in case Wentz re injures his knee 

[aristocrat]

Would the jags offer a 1 for him? Or broncos the high 2 pick? Pederson might think he can get a rookie there who can play for a few weeks and they flip the rookie in a few years.