billsredneck1 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) eat ****!!!!! edit: 2/5 I apologize for starting this thread like this. I may have indulged during the game.....well maybe a little before too. But, since there is legit discussion on Foles, I won't try to delete it. Edited February 5, 2018 by billsredneck1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 He was a mediocre backup. But he's improved a lot. Had a great game tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 We will ignore his entire career besides 2013 to help prove your point. He had a great playoff run though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, kdiggz said: We will ignore his entire career besides 2013 to help prove your point. He had a great playoff run though Besides his rookie year and Rams year (the same year that Case Keenum also seemed to magically bounce back from), he's been pretty good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: eat ****!!!!! Looking like he is Flacco...mediocre inn the regular season and then turns into superman in the postseason. I'll sign up for that...just get us in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 23 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: eat ****!!!!! You liked Trubisky over Watson, WTF do you know? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Not everyone said he was a mediocre backup. He didn't play that much other than in 2013. Being comfortable and getting into a rhythm helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) I knew Nick Foles had this in him. I've always thought very highly of him. He's a great kid. So humble... Kid slung that pigskin over the mountains tonight, really earned that MVP with his TD catch. Made a lot of people eat $#@% tonight. That was the most beautiful play I've ever seen along with Brady Bumbling his receiving TD chance by bouncing it off his smug fingertips. Edited February 5, 2018 by Sherlock Holmes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 To be fair.. he’s lights out. But hard to say that translates to another team. He made some nice throws the last few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 8 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: You liked Trubisky over Watson, WTF do you know? haha ...true, but i will still wait a while before i judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 after the SB win I'd put Foles on par with Alex Smith in terms of market value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 I confess I thought there was no way Foles had that in him. Always considered him in that Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown type class of Quarterback who had that one great year before people really began to cotton on to Chip's offense. He has been great in the postseason though, no doubt. And he will be a starter again next year. Arizona? Mike McCoy is another Andy Reid guy going back to Green Bay days I think.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 9 hours ago, kdiggz said: We will ignore his entire career besides 2013 to help prove your point. He had a great playoff run though No, let's not ignore his entire career. But let's look at it in perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Foles is in a system he knows, with a coach he knows. That matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, stuvian said: after the SB win I'd put Foles on par with Alex Smith in terms of market value I bet Philly holds on to him. Wentz may not be ready for offseason work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 9 hours ago, Rc2catch said: To be fair.. he’s lights out. But hard to say that translates to another team. He made some nice throws the last few games. A lot of Foles' success in the playoffs is because Pederson and his OC have modified the Eagles offense to fit what Foles does best as well as Doug Pederson's aggressive play calling. With a more conservative minded HC and an OC less willing to change to fit his QB, my guess is that Foles would struggle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I confess I thought there was no way Foles had that in him. Always considered him in that Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown type class of Quarterback who had that one great year before people really began to cotton on to Chip's offense. He has been great in the postseason though, no doubt. And he will be a starter again next year. Arizona? Mike McCoy is another Andy Reid guy going back to Green Bay days I think.... Foles has always had a much better arm than Fitzpatrick, McCown etc. If you look carefully at Foles 2014 year before he got hurt, some aspects were similar - similar pattern of YPG. He had 6 games in 2013 of <200 yds passing, 3 in 2014. So he (or the Shurmer/Kelly passing game) could be shut down by the right D, both in 2013 and 2014. The big difference was a falloff in completions and a spike in INT. You could see the shadows of that in last night's game. Foles, on his game, can be an aggressive passer who likes to challenge coverage and rely on his WR to either catch the ball or defend it. That pass to Jeffrey that was intercepted - a little bit off target, Jeffrey got a hand on it and in trying to juggle and catch it, knocked it back into the field of play for an INT instead of knocking it OOB - that's the sort of thing. Between 2013 and 2014, the Eagles turned over their WR core. Deshaun Jackson and one other player. You can't say they gave him crap, they got Jeremy Macklin and Ertz was starting to come on - but WR differences of inches in those sort of passes dropped his completion % and increased his INTs. Then they had some changes on OL, less production from the run game, a bit less protection so throws are a bit more off target. Something not too dissimilar happened to Matt Ryan this year and his game "fell off" . Now, would a better QB overcome that stuff? I dunno, is Ryan a better QB? Probably, but this sort of thing still bit him. There's more OL and WR to QB performance than we all like to admit sometimes. The Rams, when Foles was sent there, was a place where QB went to curl up and die. Really, their O was a total mess. What we've learned in hindsight is you really can't tell a thing about any QB who played there in 2015/2016 with Rob Boras (now our TE coach) as OC. I mean, sheesh - you had two Rams cast-offs (or refugees), Foles and Keenum, facing off for the NFC championship. When does that happen? When you have decent QB getting screwed over by an offensive system that's when. Other than that, until this year, Foles had a rookie season, and played 1 game for KC last year where he was very very good. Like 66% completion for >400 yds and 3 TD good. I have never understood where the "Foles is crap, Foles is garbage" blah blah has come from (not that that is what you're saying here, but it's been said) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Who said he is a mediocre backup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I bet Philly holds on to him. Wentz may not be ready for offseason work. This is what I think happens, though Philly is over the cap and has to make some hard decisions. But you simply can't hurry a guy back from an ACL. See Rams/Bradford 13 minutes ago, SoTier said: A lot of Foles' success in the playoffs is because Pederson and his OC have modified the Eagles offense to fit what Foles does best as well as Doug Pederson's aggressive play calling. With a more conservative minded HC and an OC less willing to change to fit his QB, my guess is that Foles would struggle. Absolutely, this. But you know, and I've kept saying this, SUCCESSFUL COACHES DO ADJUST THEIR SYSTEMS TO THEIR PLAYERS STRENGTHS. Pardon me shouting. I got frustrated saying this about Dennison/Taylor all season. (Yes, by the end of the season, Dennison did make adjustments but arguably too little too late) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is what I think happens, though Philly is over the cap and has to make some hard decisions. But you simply can't hurry a guy back from an ACL. See Rams/Bradford Yeah - he's under contract, and hes affordable. Makes sense. Only way they consider it is if they can get a really solid return. Top 100 Pick, and an affordable replacement like McCown or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Draft isn't until April 26th. If Wentz is still doing well in his recovery, they will probably try to trade him to someone for a 2nd. Maybe take the Jets off the board for a QB. Still may be some hope for Mayfield to drop to us .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 If I am Foles I tell my agent to demand a pay increase or demand a trade. Why would you want to stay on with a team as a backup after winning a Superbowl. Your value is high right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 a broken clock is right twice a day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 11 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: eat ****!!!!! edit: 2/5 I apologize for starting this thread like this. I may have indulged during the game.....well maybe a little before too. But, since there is legit discussion on Foles, I won't try to delete it. It was a good drunk post!!! Meanwhile, @BringBackFergy says, "hold my beer." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 The guy came up in the clutch in the postseason and helped lead them to a super bowl win. I don't care what anyone says about a few years ago, when's the last time we had a QB that led his team to a super bowl after being underdogs in every game? The guy deserves a lot of respect. I hope he gets a starting job. He earned it in my opinion. The big question that always needs to be asked is can the QB win in the playoffs or is he an Andy Dalton...he answered that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Who said he is a mediocre backup? 26tyrodblitz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Lol this edit post was funny. Good stuff. Not every post has to be bursting with insight and intelligent thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie's Bills Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 My Philly friends want Foles to be in Buffalo next season and re-unite him with Shady to haunt Brady twice a year 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said: 26tyrodblitz he's the "all youz" you started a thread about?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 This is just one of those things no one could have known. And despite this amazing chapter in his life, there's still no telling if this translates to him being a legit starter elsewhere. He seems like a really great guy and I do hope he his career keeps up like this...unless he goes to the Jets. Then I'm hoping it was all a fluke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: he's the "all youz" you started a thread about?: i did mention i had had a couple of pops when i started this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Just now, billsredneck1 said: i did mention i had had a couple of pops when i started this.... sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Who said he is a mediocre backup? A mediocre backup that is by far better then our starting QB , ( sad ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 13 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Exactly. Foles wouldve sucked here with Dennisons offensive philosophy and McDermotts conservative style. I agree. A lot of Bills fans just don't realize how important offensive coordinators are to a QB. Foles went 1-5 under OC Marty Mornhinweg in his first year in Philly. Foles went 8-2 under OC Pat Shurmur in his second year in Philly. Foles went 8-8 under OC Pat Shurmur in his third year in Philly. ** the offense wasn't the problem as they were #3 in PF, #5 in Yards. The defense, however, was near dead last. Foles went 4-7 under OC's Rob Boras, Frank Cignetti in St Louis. QB Case Keenum was also there that year and went 3-2. Foles went 1-0 under OC Brad Childress with Andy Reid calling plays. Foles is not the type of QB that you can send anywhere and be successful. When he has a quality OC and knows the scheme he plays brilliantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 14 hours ago, Mikie's Bills said: My Philly friends want Foles to be in Buffalo next season and re-unite him with Shady to haunt Brady twice a year Now that would be fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) On 2/5/2018 at 12:41 PM, billsredneck1 said: eat ****!!!!! edit: 2/5 I apologize for starting this thread like this. I may have indulged during the game.....well maybe a little before too. But, since there is legit discussion on Foles, I won't try to delete it. His floor is very good backup, IMHO. I'm still not convinced that's not what he is. Great game tonight, but the Eagles really used him well. They then switched how they used him as the playoffs began. Very smart as defenses can't count on tendencies to help them predict opponent moves. Very smart. It'll be interesting to see what he does in the future. Edited February 6, 2018 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Nihilarian said: I agree. A lot of Bills fans just don't realize how important offensive coordinators are to a QB. Foles went 1-5 under OC Marty Mornhinweg in his first year in Philly. Foles went 8-2 under OC Pat Shurmur in his second year in Philly. Foles went 8-8 under OC Pat Shurmur in his third year in Philly. ** the offense wasn't the problem as they were #3 in PF, #5 in Yards. The defense, however, was near dead last. Foles went 4-7 under OC's Rob Boras, Frank Cignetti in St Louis. QB Case Keenum was also there that year and went 3-2. Foles went 1-0 under OC Brad Childress with Andy Reid calling plays. Foles is not the type of QB that you can send anywhere and be successful. When he has a quality OC and knows the scheme he plays brilliantly. QBs don't have win-loss records. Teams do. That stat is called "TEAM record in games started by this QB (Regular Season)" Foles' third year in Philly - his second year under Shurmur - he was much worse than he'd been in his second year. Look at his TD/INT ratios, his yards per attempt, his yards per game, his INT percentages (insanely good 0.6% to bad 3.2%) No question he played well the last three weeks. How well would he have played if teams had seen him all year? Dunno, but I'd guess not nearly as well. It'll be interesting going forward to see what he becomes. Edited February 6, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 Guys, look at ALL of his games. The guy is Joe Flacco and went on a nice run. He also had all day to throw during the Super Bowl and had many weapons. He's not a long-term answer for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted February 6, 2018 Share Posted February 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Guys, look at ALL of his games. The guy is Joe Flacco and went on a nice run. He also had all day to throw during the Super Bowl and had many weapons. He's not a long-term answer for the Bills. He had had all day to throw but tight windows he had to fit the throws into and he fit every throw in there pats gave him all day and he took the challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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