26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) NATIONAL REPORTERS: A BIG MOVE UP THE BOARD UNLIKELY FOR BILLS Quote Bills GM Brandon Beane stated they would not pay a king's ransom to get to the top of the board to chase quarterbacks. Buffalobills.com spoke to some national reporters who concurred with Beane that overpaying to get to quarterback territory on the draft board would be ill advised. DANIEL JEREMIAH: "WE ARE GOING TO SEE A RUN" (2:56) Bills' Insider Chris Brown and NFL Network Draft Analyst Daniel Jeremiah discuss what potential options the Bills have coming out of the Senior Bowl in Mobile Alabama. GREG MCELROY: "A LOT OF TALENT, GOOD DEPTH" (5:13) Bills' Insider Chris Brown and ESPN College Football Analyst Greg McElroy discuss the quarterback class at the Senior Bowl in Mobile Alabama. IAN RAPOPORT: "THEY COULD MOVE AROUND" (4:35) Bills' Insider Chris Brown talks with NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport about the upcoming draft and QB options for the Bills from the Senior Bowl in Mobile Alabama. Edited January 26, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 To be fair, he would be an absolute idiot to come out and say" we will do whatever it takes to get into the Top 5" , and I don't think he is an idiot ! 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I still think Alex Smith is the guy they will target. I can’t see Bean selling the farm for any of these rookie QBs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I'm also of the mindset that these QBs aren't worth it. Maybe Darnold or Rosen. Mayfield for a much lower price. I wouldn't trade up for anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) yeah its not happening IMO... because of the QB run up top, excellent higher rated players, in positions of need, will be falling to us. Edited January 25, 2018 by ddaryl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 We will be hearing so many smoke screens from now through draft day. I don't put much emphasis on reports like these 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Did Beane say they would not do it or did he simply say, "It's a high price to pay", or something along those lines? In any case, I've always advocated that if the move up is small move up, but if it takes a kings ransom, we have way too many holes on the team to do that, IF our goal is to continue to build on the success we had this past season. We'll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Realistically you are talking about giving up 3-4 players you project as starters who'll be cheap for the next 4 seasons. That's a hefty price. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: We will be hearing so many smoke screens from now through draft day. I don't put much emphasis on reports like these It's pretty early in the game. We'll have to wait to see exactly what value the Bills place on the 2018 QB class. We most likely won't know one way or the other until the 1st round actually begins on April 26th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Realistically you are talking about giving up 3-4 players you project as starters who'll be cheap for the next 4 seasons. That's a hefty price. Hefty, but worth it if OBD truly thinks the guy they are getting is franchise QB material. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: Hefty, but worth it if OBD truly thinks the guy they are getting is franchise QB material. Guaranteed that the Eagles don't regret making the move for Wentz. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Guaranteed that the Eagles don't regret making the move for Wentz. Guaranteed the Redskins regret moving up for RG3. There's two sides to every coin. I'm on record and I still believe if you can get into the top 4 and get the QB who is #1 on your board, do it, but there's a very real cost. Edited January 25, 2018 by Chuck Wagon 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: Guaranteed the Redskins regret moving up for RG3. There's two sides to very coin. I'm on record and I still believe if you can get into the top 4 and get the QB who is #1 on your board, do it, but there's a very real cost. Indeed. Especially since they were drafting a guy who was pretty raw in doing so many of the things that are rudimentary to playing QB at the NFL level. Huge difference between Wentz and RGIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Guaranteed that the Eagles don't regret making the move for Wentz. 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: Guaranteed the Redskins regret moving up for RG3. There's two sides to very coin. I'm on record and I still believe if you can get into the top 4 and get the QB who is #1 on your board, do it, but there's a very real cost. At the end of the day, OBD has to trust their eyes. You can't predict the future, but if your board says a guy is the guy, then that very real cost is worth taking the chance. Can't let Wentz get you too high or RG3 get you too low. Each prospect is their own guy and OBD should pull the trigger if a prospect looks like the guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: To be fair, he would be an absolute idiot to come out and say" we will do whatever it takes to get into the Top 5" , and I don't think he is an idiot ! Exactly. You can never really take anything a GM says as proof of what they attend or not attend to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloDave55 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Anyone have a list of QB's taken in 1st round in last 5 to 8 years? How many are starters? How many are still in the league? I would love to see a complete list. Of those wonder who made trades to get those picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Probably said the same about trading any big name players last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BuffaloDave55 said: Anyone have a list of QB's taken in 1st round in last 5 to 8 years? How many are starters? How many are still in the league? I would love to see a complete list. Of those wonder who made trades to get those picks. Dating back to 2010's draft, in order: Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Cam Newton Jake Locker Blaine Gabbert Christian Ponder Andrew Luck Robert Griffin III Ryan Tannehill Brandon Weeden EJ Manuel Blake Bortles Johnny Manziel Teddy Bridgewater Jameis Winston Marcus Mariota Jared Goff Carson Wentz Paxton Lynch Mitch Trubisky Patrick Mahomes Deshaun Watson Edit: I bolded the ones that I think most would agree worked out pretty fine (maybe not Tannehill?) The Underlined might be a little bit too early to say for sure, but they look like they'll probably work out. I didn't touch this past year's class since we've seen so little of all of them. Edited January 25, 2018 by DCOrange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) I don't expect them to make a big move up the charts for a QB either. OBD does not hold QB in a high enough regard, new staff same idea, win now forget about later. I fully expect a QB taken later in the draft after other needs are addressed. Why? Because it is a known trend at OBD. They will either stay with the last staffs QB (the great QB guru Rex choice at QB)or find some other journeyman to try to win now with. If this staff falls to have another miracle season in 18 or 19 the next staff will come in with the exact same problems the last staffs have had since Kelly, a team with no franchise worthy QB and a team that has a bunch of needs. Wash repeat to another long playoff drought. Things will not change until the owner tells a new staff before hired they need to go big on a QB and to not worry about win now as much as addressing the QB problem correctly first because without a franchise worthy QB there is no dynasty just a staff on its last leg trying to get a miracle to happen while using other teams not good enough in the most important position in football. IMO fix the QB position and the rest will fall into place with patience. Build around a QB first because by the time you get a good QB your other positions you got first are now on contract that are too expensive to keep, you need them rookies to fall in line behind a QB that is established and controlling the team, it is why NE has ran the NFL for so long, all starts with QB. Find a real talent at QB and build to win later, win now just takes us to the next staff, time to rebuild again, say goodbye to most of the talent you just spent a bunch of draft picks on. That MD pick was a wonderful pick over picking Cam. A top player for 3 years that ends up elsewhere is not a good investment but a top QB will last maybe 15 years is. Got to look long term. Edited January 25, 2018 by xRUSHx 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Indeed. Especially since they were drafting a guy who was pretty raw in doing so many of the things that are rudimentary to playing QB at the NFL level. Huge difference between Wentz and RGIII. How does the adage go - You can't hit a home run without taking a swing? In light of the analytics team revamp, hopefully they can do the proper analysis on the rationale to move up in the draft. History is generally more favorable for moving up to draft QBs than for other positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Although I support a trade up, what would people think of taking a QB at #21 and #22? If you look at the draft as a lottery, then why not buy more QB tickets and hedge your bets? My guess is it would be Jackson and Rudolph. Let them duke it out in camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Step #1 in negotiations: publicly state your game plan. Let's be sure to take every statement as gospel before the draft. No reason for anyone to hide their cards. Edited January 25, 2018 by ProcessTheTrust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Although I support a trade up, what would people think of taking a QB at #21 and #22? If you look at the draft as a lottery, then why not buy more QB tickets and hedge your bets? My guess is it would be Jackson and Rudolph. Let them duke it out in camp? I'd rather trade up if that were going to be the strategy. Now taking a QB like Lamar at 21 and then following up with another QB later in the draft (like Lauletta, White, Litton, etc.)? That I could get on board with. With the number of needs this team has, I'm not sure how I feel about a trade up, but I definitely would not be on board with taking multiple QBs in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Dummies couldn’t even tank properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: And realistically none of them will be as valuable as a good QB prospect. Id take a good QB over 3 to 4 good players at any other positions without question. The QB position trumps every position BY FAR. **** look at th Bills. They've actually drafted pretty well outside of th QB position before the drought was broken this past season. Where has it gotten them? It's really not a hefty price if you land a good QB with that trade up. Outstanding Scott, I agree 100% Look at all those good players now on other teams because we could not afford to keep them. A real good QB you keep as the franchise guy for 10+ years unlike other positions you can replace with a much easier move after the first contract. Edited January 25, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 59 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: To be fair, he would be an absolute idiot to come out and say" we will do whatever it takes to get into the Top 5" , and I don't think he is an idiot ! Thank you. Those of you who believe anything being reported up until the draft are fools. /thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 National reports: aren't they the same bunch that were telling us TT is an above average qb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 So torn on this. A) I was pro-tank for this very reason. Nabbing a top QB was THE imperative for this off-season BUT B) I SO enjoyed the feeling of making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I disagree totally. I think the Bills are absolutely in the market for a move up the board. I'd go as far as to say I'd be surprised if we didn't pick until #21. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 50 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: Did Beane say they would not do it or did he simply say, "It's a high price to pay", or something along those lines? In any case, I've always advocated that if the move up is small move up, but if it takes a kings ransom, we have way too many holes on the team to do that, IF our goal is to continue to build on the success we had this past season. We'll see what happens. Exactly how Whaley ran the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, BuffaloDave55 said: Anyone have a list of QB's taken in 1st round in last 5 to 8 years? How many are starters? How many are still in the league? I would love to see a complete list. Of those wonder who made trades to get those picks. I would search that interweb thing...if it's still around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 You either find your QB or you end up unemployed in this league. Who says Terry doesn't want to open the checkbook for Cousins so they can keep all the picks? To me that's the best move of all. You suddenly have your QB and now you also have a ton of draft capital to build your team. Anything but watching Tyrod throw for barely 100 yards a game. The Bills offense is just painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said: You either find your QB or you end up unemployed in this league. Who says Terry doesn't want to open the checkbook for Cousins so they can keep all the picks? To me that's the best move of all. You suddenly have your QB and now you also have a ton of draft capital to build your team. Anything but watching Tyrod throw for barely 100 yards a game. The Bills offense is just painful. I have to say, while I tend to lean more towards trading up for a rookie QB than signing Cousins, the idea of having QB "settled" with #21, #22, #53, #56, #95, #117, #149, and #157 does sound appealing. That very well could mean starters at WR/OT/DT/DE/LB and heavy contributors at HB/CB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't think Cousins' play will equal the salary he will command. I prefer moving up for a cost-controlled rookie with franchise qb potential. If you hit, you are set for fifteen years. Of course, you may miss and Cousins' established floor is pretty good qb. I can certainly see the logic of going that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Didn't Beane also say you take a guy where you value him? So if you value a guy at top 5 at their position (I believe he means league wide, not in this draft), then you go get him no matter what it costs. I feel like people are just looking at what was said and picking the part they want to emphasize as Beane's position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 we need the giants to skip on the qb spot. then it gets sweeter if the broncos go alex smith and the skins keep cousins. that would be the trifecta for us getting into the top 3 guys of rosen, dahnold and mayfield. we'd be up against zona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) I just hope they don’t settle for a QB. Either trade up to get the guy you want, or address other needs. Edited January 25, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Smokescreen - Beane's got a guy at the Nat'l Reporter. Now the Giants won't think we're desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Well if the 2 that you value are the top 2, and they are gone before you can even trade for anyone... it doesn't make sense to trade for a guy you view as the 3rd best QB in the draft. If its true and 5 qb's go in the first like 15 picks (Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, and rudolph/jackson) - good players will be available at 21/22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 49 minutes ago, joesixpack said: So torn on this. A) I was pro-tank for this very reason. Nabbing a top QB was THE imperative for this off-season BUT B) I SO enjoyed the feeling of making the playoffs. I would say it was worth it to make the playoffs . They needed to end that long drought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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