Jerry Jabber Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The Cleveland Browns have the first and fourth picks in the draft this year. The Browns are almost certain to take the best QB in the draft. With that being said, I wonder if Cleveland would be a willing trade partner with the Bills for the #4 spot? I’m sure it would take at least both Bills first round picks, a second rounder and who knows what else that could entice the Browns (maybe including a player on the current Bills roster or a 2019 draft pick included?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Jerry Jabber said: The Cleveland Browns have the first and fourth picks in the draft this year. The Browns are almost certain to take the best QB in the draft. With that being said, I wonder if Cleveland would be a willing trade partner with the Bills for the #4 spot? I’m sure it would take at least both Bills first round picks, a second rounder and who knows what else that could entice the Browns (maybe including a player on the current Bills roster or a 2019 draft pick included?) It certainly should be explored, and it's fairly easily doable. According to the point chart, it would take both 1sts and our earlier 2nd. We'd still be left with 1 2nd round pick, and wouldnt have to spend any of next year's picks. The only issue is that other teams, such as the Jets, might try moving up and Cleveland would stay in the top 10. But no other team has 2 1sts to offer this year, so we have that going for us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: It certainly should be explored, and it's fairly easily doable. According to the point chart, it would take both 1sts and our earlier 2nd. We'd still be left with 1 2nd round pick, and wouldnt have to spend any of next year's picks. The only issue is that other teams, such as the Jets, might try moving up and Cleveland would stay in the top 10. But no other team has 2 1sts to offer this year, so we have that going for us. I think other teams wanting to trade up will drive up the price above what the actual value is 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Browns fans might be angry if they trade down after going 1-31 the past 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 If Barkely is there at # 4 the Browns will take him IMO. Franchise QB at 1, franchise RB at 4. A match made in heaven. If Indy takes Barkely at 3 maybe 4 opens up but Browns might still want a franchise RB to firm up the rookie QB (Guice). If the Colts don't take Barkely maybe the 3 spot opens up, but Gore is 34 and so why wouldn't the want the best back since AP? Maybe our trade partner is Tampa, but that might be to late for the guy or guys they are prepared to burn big capital for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Who would we be trading up for if Cleveland and NY take QBs and then a team trades up with the Colts for a QB? Hypothetically, we could be giving up multiple 1st round picks for the 4th best QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) i think we could get there with no. 21, next years 1st and a combo of tt and or glenn. i'd eat the 6mil. bonus on tt if it was gonna get a trade done. then we get baker mayfield. Edited January 19, 2018 by billsredneck1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 No point in trading up and honestly, if I'm the Browns I'm staying right at 1 and 4. They need an infusion of talent and I could see them going Darnold/Rosen at 1 and Barkley at 4. When you only win 2 games in two seasons, you have to hit on two top 5 picks. I think this fan base is going to have to just accept that we might see a free agent or Peterman to start the season. Once you're in to the third, fourth, maybe even 5th best player at a position, there's absolutely zero upside to trading away picks for that player. It would take a miracle for a guy like Mayfield or Rudolph to live up to two first round picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I think #3 and #4 could both be in play for a trade up. If Indy is still committed to Luck, or at least happy enough with Brissett as their backup option, I think they'd be more than willing to put #3 in play as they could use help all over the field. I'm fine trading both 1st, one of our 2nds and even a conditional 2019 pick if it gets us Darnold or Rosen, assuming those are the guys our braintrust target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Luka said: When you only win 2 games in two seasons, you have to hit on two top 5 picks. 1 game in 2 seasons. 4 games in the past 3 seasons combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: 1 game in 2 seasons. 4 games in the past 3 seasons combined Ha, you're right. I can't believe people even show up for the games honestly. I know the Bills haven't been great but they haven't been 1 win in 2 seasons bad. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Who would we be trading up for if Cleveland and NY take QBs and then a team trades up with the Colts for a QB? Hypothetically, we could be giving up multiple 1st round picks for the 4th best QB. 4th rated QB. And what if that 4th rated QB ends up being the best QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 What would you guys think about taking Saquon Barkley at that spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 They shouldn’t unless they are getting a good veteran player in return who can start immediately vs more draft picks. Browns have too many inexperienced players as it is, don’t need even more rookies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rob's House said: What would you guys think about taking Saquon Barkley at that spot? If the Bills trade up to 4 and take a RB: 1. This board will crash 2. Fans will announce retirement here on TBD how they are done, selling season tickets etc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) I think that it’s only possible if Barkley goes to Indy at 3. I could see the Browns taking 21, 22, and 53. They could start the draft with a 1st 2 rounds of: Darnold Josh Jackson Connor Williams Arden Key Sony Michel Malik Jefferson Anthony Miller Or They could sign Cousins, take Barkley 1 and make that same trade. Their draft could be: Barkley Josh Jackson Connor Williams Arden Key Harrison Phillips Malik Jefferson Anthony Miller Edited January 19, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 31 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Who would we be trading up for if Cleveland and NY take QBs and then a team trades up with the Colts for a QB? Hypothetically, we could be giving up multiple 1st round picks for the 4th best QB. A 4th best qb that may be there later on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 If I were Dorsey, I take Darnold at 1 and Barkley or Fitzpatrick at 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Depends on what the Browns do at 1. They could take Barkley at 1 knowing they are going to get either Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield at 4. I'd scratch the Browns off the list as a trade partner honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 43 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Who would we be trading up for if Cleveland and NY take QBs and then a team trades up with the Colts for a QB? Hypothetically, we could be giving up multiple 1st round picks for the 4th best QB. Yeah because the best quarterbacks of every draft class have gone exactly in the order they were drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Rob's House said: What would you guys think about taking Saquon Barkley at that spot? I believe the Browns will be doing that if Indy hasnt. I would not do it from a Bills perspective. He's a generational talent and we need to draft a RB, maybe even a potential franchise back, but it's a deep class and no matter how great Barkely is he is just one player (and not a QB) and I don't see the value in burning that kind of draft capital for him. Edited January 20, 2018 by starrymessenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) Giants at #2 is a possibility if they don't want to take a QB. Beane worked with Gettleman so the relationship exists to get something done. Both 1sts, a 2nd, a 3rd, and Glenn. Edited January 19, 2018 by kdiggz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said: I think other teams wanting to trade up will drive up the price above what the actual value is Agreed. I could even see Denver moving up to 2. I could see a situation in which the Browns take a QB 1st and the giants colts and browns all trade out of 2-4 to teams that want to draft Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 It really comes down to what the Browns want to do. Do they want quantity or quality? It also depends on if they sign Cousins. They can take Barkley at 1 and then I’d suspect that they definitely trade down at 4. I like Fitzpatrick a lot but not more than Josh Jackson, Connor Williams and Anthony Miller (or something like that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I cant see the Bill trading up into the top five. That would be too expensive. I can see the Bills trading into pick 10-15 if a player falls that they like. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkx2 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Who would we be trading up for if Cleveland and NY take QBs and then a team trades up with the Colts for a QB? Hypothetically, we could be giving up multiple 1st round picks for the 4th best QB. You mean like when Miami got the 4th best quarterback in the 1st round named Dan Marino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Darnold is the only one worth moving up for. If Cleveland is dumb enough to pick Allen then we should make a phone call if Sam is there @ 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Cleveland can be a partner at #4. If I was them I would stand pat, take a QB at #1 and pick best player available on defense at #4. If Cleveland takes a QB other than Rosen or Darnold and one of those two are available at #4 I would trade the farm for #4. But, it depends on our draft board too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: I cant see the Bill trading up into the top five. That would be too expensive. I can see the Bills trading into pick 10-15 if a player falls that they like. Yeah, who needs a great QB, especially when you may have to give up a lot. The last 20 years have been a blast! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Who would we be trading up for if Cleveland and NY take QBs and then a team trades up with the Colts for a QB? Hypothetically, we could be giving up multiple 1st round picks for the 4th best QB. If you believe the third or fourth ranked qb on your board is a franchise qb then it would be worth it. If you believe that another qb, if he is more developmental but with the potential to be a franchise qb, such as Jackson, then let the draft come to you. It depends how your organization ranks the qb. Your third ranked qb could be the fourth or fifth ranked qb for another organization. Your top ranked qb could be the third ranked qb on another team's board. I'm very high on Mayfield. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there were teams had little interest in him at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, who needs a great QB, especially when you may have to give up a lot. The last 20 years have been a blast! ....seeing we are in the perfect position, surrendering all of that draft capital for a QB makes PERFECT sense when you consider we have absolutely NO other needs or holes to fill, right?........21....22....23.....Vegas over/under for 2018 "W's" came out today....Bflo is 7.5..................they must have read this thread............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 If this regime has identified a franchise QB, I'd hope our GM would move up the board to get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Darnold is the only one worth moving up for. If Cleveland is dumb enough to pick Allen then we should make a phone call if Sam is there @ 4. If Cleveland takes Allen you want to trade up to three. Indy will be fielding a million phone calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....seeing we are in the perfect position, surrendering all of that draft capital for a QB makes PERFECT sense when you consider we have absolutely NO other needs or holes to fill, right?........21....22....23.....Vegas over/under for 2018 "W's" came out today....Bflo is 7.5..................they must have read this thread............. Yeah, too bad it just isn’t about next year. Let’s push QB off until April of 2019. That would most certainly work out well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Darnold is the only one worth moving up for. If Cleveland is dumb enough to pick Allen then we should make a phone call if Sam is there @ 4. What are your credentials to be making such a bold statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, too bad it just isn’t about next year. Let’s push QB off until April of 2019. That would most certainly work out well. ...there is just NO way in hell I see this gang as riverboat gamblers with draft capital, BEST we have had in years, BOE.......still think their QB guy is Rudolph who Beane personally scouted twice, once at WVU game and at his bowl game...by most accounts, he'll be there at 21 or even later.....safe and perhaps unsexy pick, but I just sense him as their target....surrendering significant capital to move up (doubt they would target the Big 4 QB's) doesn't fit their conservative nature......so now you still have high draft capital for OL/DL or DL/OL, whichever is the priority preference.....perhaps LB next and a late, LATE RB (maybe)......not sure about RB though......don't really know what we have in Jones, Cadet & Murphy due to injury......I could be dead by April 2019 so you'll have to text me in "Hell's Kitchen", my known final resting place................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: Yeah, too bad it just isn’t about next year. Let’s push QB off until April of 2019. That would most certainly work out well. If we will be losing (as you seem to suggest what will happen if we don't sell the farm) and not make the playoffs what would that hurt? You could build a strong roster and in 2019 everything will be set for a Franchise QB. But sure get a QB. Let him die behind a terrible right side, no HB Depth to take the pressure off, and then you'll be calling him a bust by week 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I mean, we do have a history of trading with them for the #4 spot in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, JohnC said: If you believe the third or fourth ranked qb on your board is a franchise qb then it would be worth it. If you believe that another qb, if he is more developmental but with the potential to be a franchise qb, such as Jackson, then let the draft come to you. It depends how your organization ranks the qb. Your third ranked qb could be the fourth or fifth ranked qb for another organization. Your top ranked qb could be the third ranked qb on another team's board. I'm very high on Mayfield. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there were teams had little interest in him at all. I can see them looking to next years draft for the answer at QB. Conceptually speaking. They still must draft one this season and i agree with your viewpoint very much. Plenty of holes to fill so i hope to not lose picks this year. But as mentioned. they see The Guy , and can get a line of sight on him ? Go for it. Otherwise let the draft come to you generally speaking. Go Bills. 6 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: If we will be losing (as you seem to suggest what will happen if we don't sell the farm) and not make the playoffs what would that hurt? You could build a strong roster and in 2019 everything will be set for a Franchise QB. But sure get a QB. Let him die behind a terrible right side, no HB Depth to take the pressure off, and then you'll be calling him a bust by week 5. Bills scouting Staff has plenty of work they need to succeed for this draft and FA. I am honestly excited for it, even though it may well be dull as heck. Solid picks/pickups are all I ask, with a decent hit rate in the draft again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...there is just NO way in hell I see this gang as riverboat gamblers with draft capital, BEST we have had in years, BOE.......still think their QB guy is Rudolph who Beane personally scouted twice, once at WVU game and at his bowl game...by most accounts, he'll be there at 21 or even later.....safe and perhaps unsexy pick, but I just sense him as their target....surrendering significant capital to move up (doubt they would target the Big 4 QB's) doesn't fit their conservative nature......so now you still have high draft capital for OL/DL or DL/OL, whichever is the priority preference.....perhaps LB next and a late, LATE RB (maybe)......not sure about RB though......don't really know what we have in Jones, Cadet & Murphy due to injury......I could be dead by April 2019 so you'll have to text me in "Hell's Kitchen", my known final resting place................ I don’t necessarily care who their guy is, I just don’t want them to make the mistake Dumbahoe did in 2004 when he wouldn’t pay Houston what Houston wanted to move into their slot so Dumbahoe could pick the guy he really wanted....Big Ben. 9 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: If we will be losing (as you seem to suggest what will happen if we don't sell the farm) and not make the playoffs what would that hurt? You could build a strong roster and in 2019 everything will be set for a Franchise QB. But sure get a QB. Let him die behind a terrible right side, no HB Depth to take the pressure off, and then you'll be calling him a bust by week 5. We won’t have other draft picks....and we aren’t allowed to sign free agents this year? Thanks. I didn’t know that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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