ny33 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I don't know the protocol for how the Bills would start something along these lines, but the call from New York today was inexcusable. In addition to the numerous members of the national media, including Peter King, deeming the reversal wrong, PFT's Michael Smith said, "Al Riveron has taken it upon himself to change the standard for what constitutes enough evidence to overturn the call on the field. He routinely changes calls when there simply isn't indisputable, clear, and obvious evidence that the call on the field was wrong." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 There was no way he could see if the knees were down. he was making an assumption - no facts based on the shots we could see as fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 NFL doesn’t care. Who else is “investigating” him in that case? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) It would almost certainly be against NFL rules for the Bills to pay private investigators to see if he has ties to gambling or anything along those lines. That being said, I hope that teams like the Bills and Steelers put enough pressure on the league for the FBI to take interest in the possible links between officiating and organized gambling in the league. Tim Donaghy and European soccer teams like Juventus are evidence enough that this stuff can happen in the highest echelons of professional sports. Edited December 24, 2017 by ny33 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) I’m not a ref complainer but we got SCREWED in that game Edited December 24, 2017 by Kirby Jackson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 If there is any accountability, he will be fired. But we all know there isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I vote yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m not a ref complained but we got SCREWED in that game A usual with the Pats. Patriots get favored. Even Steelers get bad calls with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, ny33 said: It would almost certainly be against NFL rules for the Bills to pay private investigators to see if he has ties to gambling or anything along those lines. That being said, I hope that teams like the Bills and Steelers put enough pressure on the league for the FBI to take interest in the possible links between officiating and organized gambling in the league. Tim Donaghy and European soccer teams like Juventus are evidence enough that this stuff can happen in the highest echelons of professional sports. The league themselves are the problem with the NFL. They will never open an investigation on themselves. The NFL is classified as “entertainment”, they would technically be allowed to fix games, as long as illegal gambling ties remained hidden. I’m not convinced that it is gambling either. I’m more convinced that certain owners are in Goodell’s pocket. Goodell has been a curse who slowly began destroying the league the day he took control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 2 weeks in a row. Two times the Pats**** get gifted a call from NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Investigated? Are you serious the NFL is part of it- wake up people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 At least give an explanation when you reverse a call... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, LeGOATski said: At least give an explanation when you reverse a call... There was nothing to explain other than we are reversing the call because if it's close it has to go in the Patriots favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Nope, just fired for incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 More heartbreak for Bills fans. The truth is that you can not beat the refs and the Pats. Every time we gained momentum, the refs overturned it. (KB TD, Shady 1st down) Every time we began to put a drive together, the refs called something to overcome. (holding) Little by little it deflates a team. Soon the fire is put out and NE begins to pounce. If NE can't do it, somehow they get a magical call (4th down) to keep the drive alive or put themselves in a better position. It's excruciating to see the slow death of the Bills and the cheating that allows the Pats to dominate. It's truly sickening. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: More heartbreak for Bills fans. The truth is that you can not beat the refs and the Pats. Every time we gained momentum, the refs overturned it. (KB TD, Shady 1st down) Every time we began to put a drive together, the refs called something to overcome. (holding) Little by little it deflates a team. Soon the fire is put out and NE begins to pounce. If NE can't do it, somehow they get a magical call (4th down) to keep the drive alive or put themselves in a better position. It's excruciating to see the slow death of the Bills and the cheating that allows the Pats to dominate. It's truly sickening. I get this logic. That’s why I’m taking a couple of 15s early and sending a few scubs in late to punish Brady. F it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
run dat back Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Why would the refs fix this game for the Pats? There's no money to be made on the favorites. If anything, wouldn't they be fixing it, and betting on, the underdog? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Buffalo is a small fan base that will follow the team no matter what. New England is a big market with finicky fans. It's all about money. Plus, I think they get good rating when the pats win. People tune in just wanting to see them lose. I think they get all the calls because of money, influence, and these things above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 It will take a civil suit. The league won’t do it by itself. Someone should sue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Yes. Something smells fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 The overturned Kelvin Benjamin TD was very bad. But nobody is talking about the equally bad overturned 4th Down stop. The first down marker is not the end zone line. You cannot reach the ball out, then pull it back and get credit for forward progress. But hey. I guess the refs aren't supposed to know ALL the rules. Right? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) Yes, I'll investigate him myself if need be! And this on the Twitter: Quote @MikePereira regarding the Buffalo no touchdown, nothing more irritating to an official than to make a great call and then someone in a suit in an office in New York incorrectly reverses it. It is more and more obvious that there isn't a standard for staying with the call on the field. Edited December 24, 2017 by Heitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 13 minutes ago, run dat back said: Why would the refs fix this game for the Pats? There's no money to be made on the favorites. If anything, wouldn't they be fixing it, and betting on, the underdog? Sometimes I think it's like the WWE pushing a villain. The entire country turns in week after week, rooting for the Patriots to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 It sucked but we still would of lost. Enjoy the holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 3 hours ago, ny33 said: It would almost certainly be against NFL rules for the Bills to pay private investigators to see if he has ties to gambling or anything along those lines. That being said, I hope that teams like the Bills and Steelers put enough pressure on the league for the FBI to take interest in the possible links between officiating and organized gambling in the league. Tim Donaghy and European soccer teams like Juventus are evidence enough that this stuff can happen in the highest echelons of professional sports. Of course it can happen and it has been happening for years. Let the fans decide the fate of the NFL and its joke goal of parity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Why didn’t they even measure for the first down when Dion Lewis did the stretch and they changed the spot?? no measurement???? Just FIRST DOWN!!! why? Because Patriots. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwell Tarly Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 12 hours ago, mjt328 said: Sometimes I think it's like the WWE pushing a villain. The entire country turns in week after week, rooting for the Patriots to lose. Tom Brady = Ric Flair In entertainment logic, doesn't matter if fans love or hate him, as long as everyone's watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) ...excerpt from D&C's Maiorana article............ “Yeah, I am at a loss,” Bills coach Sean McDermott said. “I saw it as a touchdown. And other than that, all I can say right now is, I am at a loss for how a play like that can get overturned.” So was everyone else who isn’t a Patriots fan, including two former heads of NFL officiating, Mike Pereira and Dean Blandino, both of whom now do analysis on separate TV networks. Both tweeted that Kelvin Benjamin’s magnificent 4-yard catch in the back right corner of the end zone should not have been overturned by replay. It was clear to everyone but the guys making the actual call that Benjamin had both feet in bounds, with possession of the ball. Edited December 25, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderingHerd Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 What do Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Jesse James, and Kelvin Benjamin all have in common? Has something to do with Al Riveron and a certain team from the Boston area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ThunderingHerd said: What do Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Jesse James, and Kelvin Benjamin all have in common? Has something to do with Al Riveron and a certain team from the Boston area. Don't forget Brandin Cooks, although his call somehow went the other way. Edited December 25, 2017 by 4merper4mer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderingHerd Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Don't forget Brandin Cooks, although his call somehow went the other way. I guess what I'm trying to say here is this: How many times in one season does a team have another team's touchdown taken off the board? Once? Twice? Have the Bills had any opponent team's TDs against them reversed this season? This has happened at least 3 times with the Patriots that I can remember this season. Seems to be a trend...numbers don't lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 minute ago, ThunderingHerd said: I guess what I'm trying to say here is this: How many times in one season does a team have another team's touchdown taken off the board? Once? Twice? Have the Bills had any opponent team's TDs against them reversed this season? This has happened at least 3 times with the Patriots that I can remember this season. Seems to be a trend...numbers don't lie. In all 3 cases the games were closely contested at the time of the call. Adding Cooks makes four. Even if another team got 3 calls like this, which I doubt, they were not that controversial nor did they have the same impact. If they did, we'd know about it. They were all terrible with the exception of either Cooks or James. Those two calls needed to go the same way. Same rule, same circumstances, same judge, opposite result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 17 hours ago, BillsRdue said: More heartbreak for Bills fans. The truth is that you can not beat the refs and the Pats. Every time we gained momentum, the refs overturned it. (KB TD, Shady 1st down) Every time we began to put a drive together, the refs called something to overcome. (holding) Little by little it deflates a team. Soon the fire is put out and NE begins to pounce. If NE can't do it, somehow they get a magical call (4th down) to keep the drive alive or put themselves in a better position. It's excruciating to see the slow death of the Bills and the cheating that allows the Pats to dominate. It's truly sickening. It's real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Two other guys I bet Pereira and Blandino left because they know they way league is headed. Riveron is a yes man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, boco357 said: Two other guys I bet Pereira and Blandino left because they know they way league is headed. Riveron is a yes man. Everyone here said the same of Pereira when he was in his former job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Everyone here said the same of Pereira when he was in his former job. Honestly dude your team gets all the calls. Yippee. Can't you just be happy about that without coming here and rubbing salt in everyone's wounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 17 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: It will take a civil suit. The league won’t do it by itself. Someone should sue. I totally agree! Maybe, a fan base class action,if we could find a pro bona lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Investigated - probably Fired for being really bad at his job - absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderingHerd Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: In all 3 cases the games were closely contested at the time of the call. Adding Cooks makes four. Even if another team got 3 calls like this, which I doubt, they were not that controversial nor did they have the same impact. If they did, we'd know about it. They were all terrible with the exception of either Cooks or James. Those two calls needed to go the same way. Same rule, same circumstances, same judge, opposite result. You are correct. If they keep preaching "letter of the law", then there should be no dichotomy between the two calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Don’t forget overturning Zach Miller’s TD catch when he destroyed his knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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