26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 They are still very much in the AFC playoff race, though, at 6-6. The Bills only need eminently plausible screw-ups from the Chiefs and Chargers to sneak in as a Wild Card team. That should be generating excitement. Instead, that sameNewyorkupstate article notes that tickets for Week 15 against the Dolphins are going for $15. The Bills’ experiment with games in Toronto was a difficult one, sure. But if upstate New York can’t get excited about a playoff contender, then maybe the NFL should follow the dollar signs and shift the franchise 55 miles or so north to a Canadian metropolis. It hasn’t worked out too badly for the Raptors or the Blue Jays, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: They are still very much in the AFC playoff race, though, at 6-6. The Bills only need eminently plausible screw-ups from the Chiefs and Chargers to sneak in as a Wild Card team. That should be generating excitement. Instead, that sameNewyorkupstate article notes that tickets for Week 15 against the Dolphins are going for $15. The Bills’ experiment with games in Toronto was a difficult one, sure. But if upstate New York can’t get excited about a playoff contender, then maybe the NFL should follow the dollar signs and shift the franchise 55 miles or so north to a Canadian metropolis. It hasn’t worked out too badly for the Raptors or the Blue Jays, after all. Whom ever wrote this is an idiot, and doesn't realize Bills fans have seen this song and dance for 17+ years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I will play devils advocate for Bills fans. Let's face it you have all seen this song and dance before and every time the team lands flat on its face, maybe the team should prove they are worthy of such rabid fans instead of thinking of greener pastures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 bad news: the owner isn't going for it. The "NFL" doesn't move teams. Individual owners do. the Toronto dream is dead. Deal with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 You have got to be kidding me. His whole conclusion implies that Toronto fans would get ‘more excited’ about a playoff contender. Not that a move would help get them to the playoffs. And he is completely wrong either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Wow. Whoever wrote that should be fired along with the editor that put it through. Embarrassing article 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Captain Murica said: Whom ever wrote this is an idiot, and doesn't realize Bills fans have seen this song and dance for 17+ years. Not only that, but the knucklehead asks whether the NFL should move the Bills to Toronto. He's completely ignorant about how franchises are relocated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Ah, mainstream media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) "Four dollars. Granted the Colts are a woeful team in 2017, lacking the one player in Andrew Luck that casual, non-partisan football fans might be interested in turning up to watch live. Granted, too, that the Bills are hardly the worst offenders for live gates in the NFL. ESPN says an average of 68,629 people have attended games at New Era Field this season, which is 93.9 percent of capacity. Good for 17th in the NFL. Not bad, not great—kind of like the Bills as a team." - from the pathetic attempt at the article This writer basically puts out a thesis, debunks his own thesis, then just ends the article by repeating himself. And he gets paid for this. Edited December 8, 2017 by TheFunPolice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 http://www.newsweek.com/should-nfl-move-bills-toronto-tickets-against-colts-are-going-4-742029 Teddy Cutler is the writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Ah, mainstream media. it's one article. Not the whole media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 they often cheered for the Bills' opponents during the Toronto games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Cutler's logic: the Bills are in the middle of the pack in attendance, therefore the NFL should force them to move to Toronto, which didn't work out well for them before because nobody went but works for the NBA and MLB teams. therefore, case proven! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Just now, klos63 said: it's one article. Not the whole media. it's one article that's typical of the whole media. Shoddily researched, and ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 It's Newsweek, a failing publication. It used to be a respected print news magazine, not any more. Not surprising that the article is crap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Queue Deranged Greggy 10..9..8.. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 hmmmm.... I used to own Toronto season tix and well 1 most there were NOT Bills fans and 2 they had to give a ton away and still didnt fill the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Cutler's logic: the Bills are in the middle of the pack in attendance, therefore the NFL should force them to move to Toronto, which didn't work out well for them before because nobody went but works for the NBA and MLB teams. therefore, case proven! That's actually not what his logic is. His logic is that the Bills aren't, yet, eliminated from the playoffs and tickets for this weekend's game are going for $4 and tickets for the Dolphins game are going for $15. His logic is that if Bills fans can't sell out a game with playoff implications, then they might as well pack up and head Northwest. Still stupid logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: http://www.newsweek.com/should-nfl-move-bills-toronto-tickets-against-colts-are-going-4-742029 Teddy Cutler is the writer. Teddy Cutler, huh...seems like a very common, unassuming name, the kind of name you might use to hide your true identity if you had a more recognizable name like, say, Jon Bon Jovi..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 What the article conveniently leaves out is that NFL attendance is hurting in several locations. Take the LA Charges, the NFL thought it a good idea to locate teams to LA due to large market appeal. Chargers are far from selling out. Maybe they should head north and become the British Columbia Chargers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 9 minutes ago, Gugny said: That's actually not what his logic is. His logic is that the Bills aren't, yet, eliminated from the playoffs and tickets for this weekend's game are going for $4 and tickets for the Dolphins game are going for $15. His logic is that if Bills fans can't sell out a game with playoff implications, then they might as well pack up and head Northwest. Still stupid logic. ridiculous logic indeed. The Bills have a giant stadium compared to their metro area, the fact that it hasn't sold-out and/or some people don't want to freeze to watch the Bills play two sub-par teams is hardly indicative of a lack of fan support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 How did this get published? Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) The Jets game I knew this wasn't a playoff team. If that wasn't an indicator then the two games after that should of sealed the deal. We can't get the division title and this guy should think this is a playoff team? We couldn't hold onto the 6th seed. We can't even stay in the hunt. The thread is so thin I won't hang onto it for support. I mean great for him to compliment the team like it's playoff caliber at this point but it's not even close to reality. This hasn't been a playoff team in a long time. Tell me about how this is a Playoff team when the can beat the Patriots. You are correct this article is beyond ridiculous as soon as I read playoff team. It lost all credibility. Sure move the team to Toronto and expect a different outcome. I'm sure they will appreciate having a team with the longest drought landing there and go by tickets when the team is basically already eliminated then they can do all the funky math at the end if the year and watch other teams hoping they lose their team can sneak in. Edited December 8, 2017 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Ah, mainstream media. ....exactly why they're known as urinalists........for their "stream" of nothing.......the whole premise of the Toronto experiment was to attract regional INVESTORS in an effort to keep the club ideally in Buffalo or at least in WNY when Ralph eventually passed...it certainly wasn't a "cash grab"....if so, why did Wilson's will stripulate that his ENTIRE $1.2 BILLION dollar estate must be distributed to charities within 20 years of his passing.....and it certainly wasn't attendance....... Edited December 8, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: ridiculous logic indeed. The Bills have a giant stadium compared to their metro area, the fact that it hasn't sold-out and/or some people don't want to freeze to watch the Bills play two sub-par teams is hardly indicative of a lack of fan support. I think that's exactly what it is. If fans aren't interested in going to games, I think that's called lack of fan support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) I'm Canadian and I hope this never happens. The Bills need to stay in Buffalo Edited December 8, 2017 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDVA Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 When did the Bills move to upstate NY? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Fake News, go back to making up stuff about the President jackasses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Hey! The Chargers are also 6-6 and having trouble filling a soccer stadium half the size of New Era.....why don't THEY move!? oh wait.... they already did 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 t.cutler@newsweek.com @teddycutler Have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 31 minutes ago, klos63 said: I think that's exactly what it is. If fans aren't interested in going to games, I think that's called lack of fan support. If fans aren't interested in freezing their balls off, then it's ball support. Like a jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 It's a Newsweak article? Never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 They're not moving NY's only football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Gugny said: That's actually not what his logic is. His logic is that the Bills aren't, yet, eliminated from the playoffs and tickets for this weekend's game are going for $4 and tickets for the Dolphins game are going for $15. His logic is that if Bills fans can't sell out a game with playoff implications, then they might as well pack up and head Northwest. Still stupid logic. Agreed, stupid logic. Especially since Buffalo has routinely had issues filling the stadium for December home games except in the 90's era. Many do not want to Freeze and deal with the snow. And now that all games are televised they are definitely staying home in the cold months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Is it snowing in Miami this Sunday? Will December games be warmer in Toronto? I would pay 15 dollars to go sit in the sunshine and watch a lousy game too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Captain Murica said: Whom ever wrote this is an idiot, and doesn't realize Bills fans have seen this song and dance for 17+ years. This is beyond idiocy because the reporter failed to do their homework. During this long playoff drought the Bills have been among the attendance leaders in the league. No to mention attendance in Toronto when the games were there was abysmal. Finally the Canadians should be at least as offended by this stupidity because the author implies they should only get. A team because the fans of Buffalo are not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 19 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: This is beyond idiocy because the reporter failed to do their homework. During this long playoff drought the Bills have been among the attendance leaders in the league. No to mention attendance in Toronto when the games were there was abysmal. Finally the Canadians should be at least as offended by this stupidity because the author implies they should only get. A team because the fans of Buffalo are not good enough. ....looks like the Argos are a HUGE attendance draw, right?.....not even 50% of capacity...... Table A: 2017 Toronto Argonauts Regular Season Attendance Summary Scope Games Total High Avg. Low League Avg. +/- Capacity % of Capacity Announced Sellouts Sellouts Home 9 125,223 16,326 13,913.7 11,219 -10,730.6 27,000.0 51.53% 0 0 Divisional 4 58,572 16,326 14,643.0 12,862 -11,244.8 27,000.0 54.23% 0 0 Non-Divisional 5 66,651 15,532 13,330.2 11,219 -10,039.4 27,000.0 49.37% 0 0 Visitor 9 222,608 33,350 24,734.2 19,233 +90.0 31,321.3 78.97% 3 1 Table B: 2017 Toronto Argonauts Attendance Year-over-Year Season 2017 Average 2016 Average (+/-) 5-Year Avg (+/-) 10-Year Avg (+/-) Pre-season 5,532.0 16,168.0 (-10,636.0) 13,760.4 (-8,228.4) 15,198.6 (-9,666.6) Regular season 13,913.7 16,380.3 (-2,466.7) 18,443.7 (-4,530.0) 22,080.0 (-8,166.3) Playoffs 24,929.0 N/A 30,605.0 (-5,676.0) 31,559.0 (-6,630.0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Curt Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Unfortunately in my opinion we are a depressed City and fan base. We play the victim role and believe we can't have "anything nice". We are a City who hates ourselves and consistently puts ourselves down. We leave the City and area in droves and we tell anyone who asks us about Buffalo, we say we hate it here/there and we're never going back. Then when someone talks about our city and region we get offended. Colin Cowherd is 100% correct about us...Back to the topic at hand. The Buffalo Bills aren't leaving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 24 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Agreed, stupid logic. Especially since Buffalo has routinely had issues filling the stadium for December home games except in the 90's era. Many do not want to Freeze and deal with the snow. And now that all games are televised they are definitely staying home in the cold months. Most of the time we're out of the playoffs, and its 30 degrees and snowing. I wonder why attendance would be down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 $4 game tickets are kind of a weak basis for an article like this but it's totally a fair point. If your team it's in playoff contention and your fans have no interest, and you are already the smallest NFL market, it begs the question if we are capable of supporting a team. We should feel lucky the Pegulas own the Bills and not a Donald Trump/Bon Jovi type. And if you feel like railing for new owners, be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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