YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) Congrats, Bengals. It’s John Ross! Drafted #9 overall, Ross saw snaps in three games. He failed to catch a single pass, but did record a lost fumble. He was a healthy scratch most of the season, but is now on IR because he has a shoulder injury he was trying to conceal from the team. Rest assured, frequent “glass house” responders, this is far from shadenfraude for Bills fans. Our very own OBD insider had revealed Ross as one of the top 5 players on the Bills draft board. Yikes. Edited December 7, 2017 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Out busting Laquon Treadwell is impressive stuff. His one catch season proved insurmountable. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 How does a rookie/first round draft pick hide a season ending shoulder injury from an entire NFL team staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How does a rookie/first round draft pick hide a season ending shoulder injury from an entire NFL team staff? tons of ibuprofen. tons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BeginnersMind Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Zay has 25 catches for 291 and 2 TDS. Almost better than all 3 combined. Maybe the "Zay is a bust" stuff was overblown? Kupp and JuJu are the stars so far but it helps that they have good QBs. Edited December 7, 2017 by BeginnersMind 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 As per Leroi, Bills had Ross as a top 5 prospect and 2nd WR behind Cory Davis. Luckily they thought Tre White was comparable enough to Lattimore to trade the pick and still get a good CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Our TBD experts claimed that the WR class that year was truly weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 It's one reason why WRs should be devalued in terms of the Draft...many of the best WRs (very, very much like TEs) some in the middle rounds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Most WR's take 2-3 seasons to mature... I have pointed out several times that Eric Moulds for example, sucked at first, before turning it around in his 3rd season... Zay Jones will be fine - just give him some time... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 To be fair to the Bengals, they had some good value picks later that have looked good - namely Mixon and Carl Lawson. But the 1st rd WRs since the Great WR draft of 2014 have been largely unimpressive. 2015 yielded Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell, Will Fuller. 5 minutes ago, DefenseWins said: Most WR's take 2-3 seasons to mature... I have pointed out several times that Eric Moulds for example, sucked at first, before turning it around in his 3rd season... Zay Jones will be fine - just give him some time... I’m pretty happy with Zay. Rough start for sure but look at his Qb situation. 12 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: It's one reason why WRs should be devalued in terms of the Draft...many of the best WRs (very, very much like TEs) some in the middle rounds. Agree 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: To be fair to the Bengals, they had some good value picks later that have looked good - namely Mixon and Carl Lawson. But the 1st rd WRs since the Great WR draft of 2014 have been largely unimpressive. 2015 yielded Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell, Will Fuller. I’m pretty happy with Zay. Rough start for sure but look at his Qb situation. Agree Fuller could be a really good once Watson comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Fuller could be a really good once Watson comes back. Yeah he’s on my fantasy team and he was pretty good when Watson was playing. His problem is availability - he’s always hurt. I do like him but not sure he’s top 15 player in that draft which is where he was taken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I remember when everyone thought Jared Goff was a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Congrats, Bengals. It’s John Ross! Drafted #9 overall, Ross saw snaps in three games. He failed to catch a single pass, but did record a lost fumble. He was a healthy scratch most of the season, but is now on IR because he has a shoulder injury he was trying to conceal from the team. Rest assured, frequent “glass house” responders, this is far from shadenfraude for Bills fans. Our very own OBD insider had revealed Ross as one of the top 5 players on the Bills draft board. Yikes. I remember calling him a walking injury waiting to happen. He concealed injuries from his college team too. Lesson one, speed isnt everything in college. The NFL has a way of negating what you do. So if you are a one trick pony, well see ross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: not exactly a ringing endorsement to draft a 1st round WR and expect immediate payoff. Zay is outperforming these guys in many ways. 4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I remember when everyone thought Jared Goff was a bust. good point, but Ross may be a 1 trick pony as another commenter noted. Ross needs to take this time rounding himself out as an NFL receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Yeah he’s on my fantasy team and he was pretty good when Watson was playing. His problem is availability - he’s always hurt. I do like him but not sure he’s top 15 player in that draft which is where he was taken. You kept him after Watson went down? I gave him one week and dropped him. There is some truth to the availability thing, but if he and Watson maintain that chemistry next year they will continue to do damage. Of course, it's worth noting that the Texans have two first round receivers, though both were taken on the back end of round one. 5 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Zay has 25 catches for 291 and 2 TDS. Almost better than all 3 combined. Maybe the "Zay is a bust" stuff was overblown? Kupp and JuJu are the stars so far but it helps that they have good QBs. In fairness, Davis, Williams and Ross all missed extended time this year. But I am happy that Zay has been given time on the field this year to work through some of his issues. Hoping he really turns it up next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 7, 2017 Author Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Big C said: You kept him after Watson went down? I gave him one week and dropped him. There is some truth to the availability thing, but if he and Watson maintain that chemistry next year they will continue to do damage. Of course, it's worth noting that the Texans have two first round receivers, though both were taken on the back end of round one. In fairness, Davis, Williams and Ross all missed extended time this year. But I am happy that Zay has been given time on the field this year to work through some of his issues. Hoping he really turns it up next year. No, I didn’t keep him after Watson got hurt. I was stating his problem being worth his draft slot as it stands right now is availability in general, because he’s always hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Too early to say. It took Moulds until the third season to break out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 The same people who are chortling that Ross is a bust were the same clairvoyants who declared Goff an unmitigated bust last year. Players develop at different rates and contend with different circumstances. I'd rather wait another year or two before making any declarations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just because you're fast doesn't mean you're good and/or can stay healthy. We should know. Golden Wheels where art thou? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 6 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I remember when everyone thought Jared Goff was a bust. No. If people thought so after he played 7 games with a terrible head coach and no offensive weapons they should re assess their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: No. If people thought so after he played 7 games with a terrible head coach and no offensive weapons they should re assess their life. Based on this premise, we have many people here that need to reassess their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 7 hours ago, teef said: tons of ibuprofen. tons. I'm thinking Toradol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, simool said: Based on this premise, we have many people here that need to reassess their lives. True dat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 I guarantee you as long as McB are here we will never draft a 1st round wr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 dodged a bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) speed receivers are almost always a bad idea. Can't believe Ross went so high. All three of the top receivers had major injuries this season so it's tough to evaluate, but Corey has played the most and he's had some tremendous catches. So far just showing off his hands and sideline awareness but he's got Andre Reed YAC ability too. He will be elite. . Edited December 8, 2017 by Da webster guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 10 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: I remember when everyone thought Jared Goff was a bust. I remember that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 11 hours ago, DefenseWins said: Most WR's take 2-3 seasons to mature... I have pointed out several times that Eric Moulds for example, sucked at first, before turning it around in his 3rd season... Zay Jones will be fine - just give him some time... I agree but the weird part was just catching the ball for Zay. That's the easy part for a young receiver compared to learning the routes and getting separation 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: I guarantee you as long as McB are here we will never draft a 1st round wr. Why do you say that out of curiosity? Not saying you're wrong. Does he not believe in taking wrs in the first round or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 4 hours ago, simool said: Based on this premise, we have many people here that need to reassess their lives. Is that like defragging the disk ? will it take very long? kinda busy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Didn't our FO try to hide some draftees with injuries when they took them in the first and second rounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 6 hours ago, RyanC883 said: not exactly a ringing endorsement to draft a 1st round WR and expect immediate payoff. Zay is outperforming these guys in many ways. good point, but Ross may be a 1 trick pony as another commenter noted. Ross needs to take this time rounding himself out as an NFL receiver. I just don't trust fast small wr's anymore after Goodwin. They can't absorb NFL hits. Find them in later rounds. 29 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I agree but the weird part was just catching the ball for Zay. That's the easy part for a young receiver compared to learning the routes and getting separation Why do you say that out of curiosity? Not saying you're wrong. Does he not believe in taking wrs in the first round or something? They rarely maintain long term value. For every Julio Jones you have 10 Mike Williams. Spend your 1st round picks on QB, LT or a real dynamic DE or LB. You can find good wr's in any round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) 50 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I just don't trust fast small wr's anymore after Goodwin. They can't absorb NFL hits. Find them in later rounds. They rarely maintain long term value. For every Julio Jones you have 10 Mike Williams. Spend your 1st round picks on QB, LT or a real dynamic DE or LB. You can find good wr's in any round. I agree. Just wasn't sure if McBean said something specifically Edited December 8, 2017 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Congrats, Bengals. It’s John Ross! Drafted #9 overall, Ross saw snaps in three games. He failed to catch a single pass, but did record a lost fumble. He was a healthy scratch most of the season, but is now on IR because he has a shoulder injury he was trying to conceal from the team. Rest assured, frequent “glass house” responders, this is far from shadenfraude for Bills fans. Our very own OBD insider had revealed Ross as one of the top 5 players on the Bills draft board. Yikes. I guess thats why McD took control of the draft and Whaley was let go soon after. That would have been a very Billsy pick 9 hours ago, Mark Vader said: I remember that too Put him behind the Bills line and I bet things turn out a lot different....and not in a good way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 11 hours ago, Sweats said: Didn't our FO try to hide some draftees with injuries when they took them in the first and second rounds? yes, doug whaley drafted a ****ty de with a bum shoulder out of college. just another whaley "success" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 He was taken 9th overall and the Bills picked 10th. Fortunately the Bengals took the decision out of their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) "Look, our drafts aren't as bad as another team" This sort of thread is almost an annual December ritual at this point. Who cares what other teams do in the draft of free agency? The Bills under previous GMs weren't exactly setting the world on fire with their drafts. Regardless, it used to be draft picks weren't evaluated until after 2-3 years in the league. Now, we need to judge a player immediately either as good or a bust. Edited December 8, 2017 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, BillsVet said: "Look, our drafts aren't as bad as another team" This sort of thread is almost an annual December ritual at this point. Who cares what other teams do in the draft of free agency? The hope is that McBeane are drafting better than their OBD predecessors and so far, Tre'White and Dion Dawkins look like a solid players. Zay Jones has improved the past few weeks but isn't outstanding either. It doesn't mean their level of play will continue to improve. It used to be draft picks were evaluated after 2-3 years. Now, we need to judge a player immediately and either as good or a bust. Maybe it's best to let things play out for 1 more off-season before pronouncing this regime foolish or on point with their team building strategy. It's a rebuild after all regardless of what they say. what's your evaluation of shaq lawson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: what's your evaluation of shaq lawson He's a base 4-3 LDE with a slow get off that plays well against the run but doesn't generate much pass rush. Not the first guy I'd replace but if I'm running McD's defense I need more pass rush ability from a starting DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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