Logic Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Lots of great stuff in here. Right on the money. Too much to copy and paste all the good quotes, so I only picked one. Check the article out, though. Worth your time.https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/18/week-11-preview-bills-tyrod-taylor-nathan-peterman-jerry-jones-roger-goodell-case-keenum-teddy-bridgewater"I like Taylor, I’m hopeful for the Bills, and I’m bummed it didn’t work out. In short, for a flawed team, what Taylor brought wasn’t good enough, and he really hadn’t shown any signs that a drastic improvement was on the way. Are the Bills better off with Nathan Peterman under center? We have no idea yet. But they made the change because they wanted something different. This team was speeding toward the edge of the cliff, and sometimes you just gotta turn the wheel and hope for the best." 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Great article. He really highlights how we have been living off turnovers (which is somewhat odd given that we don't have a pass rush). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Thanks for the post. It was a well-written and fair article. Worth the time to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Fan in LA Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 There are a lot of Mom's out there who need to buy Christmas presents this month and don't give a darn about who the Buffalo Bills QB is. They just don't want to get surprised on Christmas morning that the jersey they bought on sale is for a guy who isn't the starter. A big blessing to McDermott for helping to clear the air on this subject this early in the Holiday Shopping frenzy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 It's not written as such, but that article is scathing and spot on regarding Taylor. The lack of offensive production despite the good turnover fortune is in fact, unprecedented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 not a King fan. but that was good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Spot on - it’s like this guy actually watched the Bills, what a crazy way to write an informed article. We can only hope the Buffalo media (especially WGR), read this too...Schopp’s head might explode ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, QCity said: Great article. He really highlights how we have been living off turnovers (which is somewhat odd given that we don't have a pass rush). Awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) He dissects the issues with Tyrod well and we can all agree we don't know what we'll get from Peterman yet (I'm a little more hopeful than he seemed...but its fair to be skeptical of a 5th round rookie), but I'm not sure about his assessment as the entire team being bad. "none of it matters because the Bills are a bad team. Not in the way that the Ravens/Dolphins/Raiders are bad, but truly bad." "Melvin Ingram and Joey Bosa are going to dunk all over his offensive line on Sunday." "This won't be garbage time against the Saints shell defense. He'll be working with one of the worst supporting casts in football against a quality defense." Those quotes seemed a bit harsh. Yes, it's tough feeling great about this team after the disastrous way in which the last two games have gone. But worst supporting casts in football? Yes the receivers were pretty bad to start off the year, but now your starting three are Benjamin, Matthews, and Jones (seeming to have gotten over the yips). You have Shady, Clay, DiMarco, and O'Leary. I'm not claiming they're one of the best supporting casts, but one of the worst? Really? I don't know. Yes, the O-line has been struggling, but I still doubt that they are one of the worst in football. As for the defense, they looked horrible the last two games and he was correct in pointing out the pass rushing issues, but they have also put together 5 or 6 really good games. So, I'm not totally counting them out yet. But they do need to figure out the D-line issue (pass rush and against the run). Maybe more blitzes, maybe having brought in a bigger body (Coleman), etc. will help. Anyhow, time will tell. I am hoping that the last two games were a bad stumble in a long race rather than a team finally being exposed as the truly bad team that they are. And I am hoping that Peterman will be a spark, playing the offense the way the OC designed it---which should hopefully make the receivers and O-line look better. But then I'm a Bills fan...ever hopeful. Edited November 19, 2017 by folz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) Great article. Thanks for posting it. I love this quote: "Consider this: Buffalo currently leads the NFL in turnover differential at +11 through nine games. And, incredibly, they have a point differential in the red (-12). "It cannot be overstated just how atrocious you have to be to pick up an extra possession per game and still get outscored on the season. Over the previous 20 seasons, 41 teams have posted a turnover differential of +1 per game or better over the course of a season. If rabid squirrels gnawed off both your hands, you’d still have enough fingers to count how many of those 41 teams had a negative point differential that season (and you know damn well that not a jury in the world would convict those squirrels)." 5 hours ago, Domdab99 said: not a King fan. but that was good I am very much a King fan, but that wasn't King, it was Garry Gramling. Edited November 19, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 5 hours ago, B Fan in LA said: There are a lot of Mom's out there who need to buy Christmas presents this month and don't give a darn about who the Buffalo Bills QB is. They just don't want to get surprised on Christmas morning that the jersey they bought on sale is for a guy who isn't the starter. A big blessing to McDermott for helping to clear the air on this subject this early in the Holiday Shopping frenzy. Sounds good to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) This article was tremendous yet utterly depressing. go Bills? Edited November 19, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Domdab99 said: not a King fan. but that was good It wasn't written by King. By Gary Gramling November 18, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 "I saw the deliciously snarky I guess it's Tyrod's fault the Saints ran for 298 yards takes that were so clever they could have been right out of a Leno monologue. The fact is, the offense’s 118 net yards over nine drives in the Saints game was just as egregiously bad as the defense's performance. They were both awful. You can’t raze your entire defensive roster midseason. If you want to make the kind of drastic change the Bills needed to make, and you think there’s even a chance you might have an upgrade on your roster, the logical spot is at quarterback." Another great quote, and a notion that's been seen quite a bit since the QB change (from people trying to sound clever). So, because the defense has been worse than the offense the past 2 games, the coach isn't allowed to try to improve the offense? That silly take came from more than one local sports reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Snarky writing style but solid analysis. This team needs a major talent infusion. To that end one source of hope are the picks we've stockpiled. We have 7 games to see how drastically we need a qb. Then I hope they address the OL, DTs and LBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: Snarky writing style but solid analysis. This team needs a major talent infusion. To that end one source of hope are the picks we've stockpiled. We have 7 games to see how drastically we need a qb. Then I hope they address the OL, DTs and LBs. And finally some cap space. They also can utilize some draft capital to trade for players, if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) While certainly better than last year, this Defense was never that good: "The defense went from bend-don’t-break to curl-up-in-the-fetal-position." . . . so, so, true! As another poster said, great read, but really depressing . . . again, because it is all so, so, true--and we all knew it, but the fast start gave us that cruel hope. Now, it is back to being a regular Buffalo Bills season and waiting for all those miracle picks next year to make us better. And that, too, is a cruel hope. Edited November 19, 2017 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Great article. Thanks for posting it. I love this quote: "Consider this: Buffalo currently leads the NFL in turnover differential at +11 through nine games. And, incredibly, they have a point differential in the red (-12). "It cannot be overstated just how atrocious you have to be to pick up an extra possession per game and still get outscored on the season. Over the previous 20 seasons, 41 teams have posted a turnover differential of +1 per game or better over the course of a season. If rabid squirrels gnawed off both your hands, you’d still have enough fingers to count how many of those 41 teams had a negative point differential that season (and you know damn well that not a jury in the world would convict those squirrels)." I am very much a King fan, but that wasn't King, it was Garry Gramling. Yes, I knew we were bad when we had a THREE to zero turnover differential late in the 4th quarter against the Bengals, and also had a 75 yard kick return, and somehow were LOSING the football game. That performance was every bit as bad as the saints or jets games disguised by the turnover ratio and the kick return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, CSBill said: While certainly better than last year, this Defense was never that good: "The defense went from bend-don’t-break to curl-up-in-the-fetal-position." . . . so, so, true! As another poster said, great read, but really depressing . . . again, because it is all so, so, true--and we all knew it, but the fast start gave us that cruel hope. Now, it is back to being a regular Buffalo Bills season and waiting for all those miracle picks next year to make us better. And that, too, is a cruel hope. Probably would have been easier to start out bad. Oh well, some of those games were certainly fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CSBill Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Probably would have been easier to start out bad. Oh well, some of those games were certainly fun. Indeed, I'll still be watching and hoping and praying that the Chargers over think it and don't run on every play and that Mr. Peterman has a great day. Should be fun, I "hope" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: no big guy, they should of benched taylor as well. another whiner from the media 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Yes, I knew we were bad when we had a THREE to zero turnover differential late in the 4th quarter against the Bengals, and also had a 75 yard kick return, and somehow were LOSING the football game. That performance was every bit as bad as the saints or jets games disguised by the turnover ratio and the kick return. Thank you! So sick of the nonsense narrative that "Tyrod was benched after ONE bad game"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: no big guy, they should of benched taylor as well. another whiner from the media What? London Fletcher isn't exactly what I'd call a media whiner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Good article about why they have to move on from Tyrod, but a bit over-zealous in the trashing of Buffalo's roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Yes, I knew we were bad when we had a THREE to zero turnover differential late in the 4th quarter against the Bengals, and also had a 75 yard kick return, and somehow were LOSING the football game. That performance was every bit as bad as the saints or jets games disguised by the turnover ratio and the kick return. Yeah that was rather putrid. Recall that was the game Charles Clay was hurt with Matthews out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: If there's one thing I could change about national sports media, it would be a brutal purge of all the idiot ex-players who don't do their homework before spouting off. It remains incredible to me that the imbecile Marshall Faulk still gets to be employed for spouting ignorance, but at least his role on NFLN has been reduced. 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yeah that was rather putrid. Recall that was the game Charles Clay was hurt with Matthews out. It was also the game where TT failed to THROW THE DAMNED BALL on time to Logan Thomas, turning an easy TD into a FG. Edited November 19, 2017 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 14 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I'm sure they would if they felt they had better options to replace them with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: What? London Fletcher isn't exactly what I'd call a media whiner. oh, but he is. anyone not accepting this benching is whining, media included. when you don't capitalize on turnovers, go sit down. Edited November 19, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Despite being the darling of game-charters, there wasn’t a whole lot of interest in Taylor this past offseason. That’s in large part because play-designers and play-callers have a lot of say in who plays quarterback, and in Taylor they see a guy who does some specific things well but comes with limitations and might have reached his ceiling. Good read and he said a lot of things that us Tyrod “haters” have been saying for a while. We all knew a change would be made at some point this season. I just hope we finally get lucky and found our guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: And finally some cap space. They also can utilize some draft capital to trade for players, if needed. If they do that, how are they going to package those draft picks to move up and draft their Yet-To-Be-Named Savior Franchise QB? After all, if they don't have their franchise QB, what's the whole point of building up the team since they won't be able to win the SB without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 9 hours ago, Logic said: Lots of great stuff in here. Right on the money. Too much to copy and paste all the good quotes, so I only picked one. Check the article out, though. Worth your time.https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/11/18/week-11-preview-bills-tyrod-taylor-nathan-peterman-jerry-jones-roger-goodell-case-keenum-teddy-bridgewater"I like Taylor, I’m hopeful for the Bills, and I’m bummed it didn’t work out. In short, for a flawed team, what Taylor brought wasn’t good enough, and he really hadn’t shown any signs that a drastic improvement was on the way. Are the Bills better off with Nathan Peterman under center? We have no idea yet. But they made the change because they wanted something different. This team was speeding toward the edge of the cliff, and sometimes you just gotta turn the wheel and hope for the best." Wow a really well thought out and reasoned article by MSM (Main Street Media) and one that seems to look at the actual play rather than just stats. I am impressed and think he captures what most of us have been saying. Nice Find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 44 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I'm sure they would if they felt they had better options to replace them with. Why don't they have better options? Oh, yeah, they opted to go with STers and PS refugees on the DL ... and then they traded away their best DLer for a 6th rounder supposedly because he didn't "buy into" the new system although the Bills were trying to peddle Dareus since before the first OTA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I can't see how Taylor is not the Jacksonville Jaguars' starting QB in 2018. He and Marrone will go to the playoffs because their defense is loaded and Taylor doesn't turn the ball over. Marrone is probably already sending love letters to Tyrod as we speak. Great article, btw. I don't like how bad he thinks the Bills are, but he's probably right. Everything else is on point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: I can't see how Taylor is not the Jacksonville Jaguars' starting QB in 2018. He and Marrone will go to the playoffs because their defense is loaded and Taylor doesn't turn the ball over. Marrone is probably already sending love letters to Tyrod as we speak. Great article, btw. I don't like how bad he thinks the Bills are, but he's probably right. Everything else is on point. Marrone may be an egomaniac and a dickhead but he's not stupid and highly doubt he has any interest in Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 10 hours ago, QCity said: Great article. He really highlights how we have been living off turnovers (which is somewhat odd given that we don't have a pass rush). Fantastic sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2 hours ago, eball said: Good article about why they have to move on from Tyrod, but a bit over-zealous in the trashing of Buffalo's roster. ❤️ rep points capped 8( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 51 minutes ago, PeterGriffin said: Marrone may be an egomaniac and a dickhead but he's not stupid and highly doubt he has any interest in Tyrod. First off, I agree with switch, and hopefully Peterman pans out or this season and probably 2018 is toast. But come on. Tyrod is still a starter for half the teams. And yes, a conservative coach who has a strong defense will love a guy that doesn't throw picks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 This is not a good time of year to be writing about rabid squirrels chewing of your hands. The horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: First off, I agree with switch, and hopefully Peterman pans out or this season and probably 2018 is toast. But come on. Tyrod is still a starter for half the teams. And yes, a conservative coach who has a strong defense will love a guy that doesn't throw picks! Could not disagree more. Name them? Edited November 19, 2017 by PeterGriffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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