dave mcbride Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Interesting comments near the end in a characteristically excellent analytical piece by Andy Benoit: https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/18/jared-goff-los-angeles-rams-sean-mcvay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 In fairness to the previous Rams staff, they lacked the resources that surround Goff now. There was no stable veteran like 12th-year left tackle Andrew Whitworth or ninth-year center John Sullivan. Todd Gurley was not the smooth, swift runner that we saw in 2015 and have seen these first two weeks. There was no possession target like Kupp, and no dynamic receiver like Watkins (who, by the way, has flashed the change-of-direction quickness that made him the fourth overall pick in Buffalo in 2014; it won’t be long before he’s showcased like a true No. 1). Fully integrating Watkins in this capacity is a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 He's gonna get killed in that offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Sammy is a great receiver when he's on the field. Not sure why some bills fans are guy this. It's obvious. Because we like to find fault, then pick at it like a scab until it bleeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Because we like to find fault, then pick at it like a scab until it bleeds. Post of the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I think TBD needs a therapy session to help move on from Sammy. I need to stop being hypocritical, and make this my last Sammy post response. There is no way that we can assess the trade at this point. No need to pine over him daily. We need to see what we do with the picks that we gained from him. No need to pine over the ex before knowing if the replacement may be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I think TBD needs a therapy session to help move on from Sammy. I need to stop being hypocritical, and make this my last Sammy post response. There is no way that we can assess the trade at this point. No need to pine over him daily. We need to see what we do with the picks that we gained from him. No need to pine over the ex before knowing if the replacement may be better. To have a full picture of who won the trade, I agree. But when you lose a game because you score 3 points and have to go to a rookie wr for a crucial catch, then it's ok to wonder if Sammy makes a difference. We have a high school passing attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 To have a full picture of who won the trade, I agree. But when you lose a game because you score 3 points and have to go to a rookie wr for a crucial catch, then it's ok to wonder if Sammy makes a difference. We have a high school passing attack. I agree that it's fair to wonder. I can't argue against that. We don't have a true number one, and that's an issue. It's just tough to know what would have happened. I always think back to the Ravens opener last season with Sammy on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I agree that it's fair to wonder. I can't argue against that. We don't have a true number one, and that's an issue. It's just tough to know what would have happened. I always think back to the Ravens opener last season with Sammy on the field. Sammy wasn't healthy and he got rushed back. Ruined his season. And we scored a td that game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 watkins was never resigning here. at least we got something for him. he's the girl that was dumping us after homecoming so we danced with the other girl who we could take home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) watkins was never resigning here. at least we got something for him. he's the girl that was dumping us after homecoming so we danced with the other girl who we could take home. Still would have benn nice to at least get laid at Homecoming instead of sitting home jerking around though Edited September 18, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Still would have benn nice to at least get laid at Homecoming instead of sitting home jerking around though Our QB play is flaccid so it doesn't matter who we take home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 watkins was never resigning here. at least we got something for him. he's the girl that was dumping us after homecoming so we danced with the other girl who we could take home. You don't know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Still would have benn nice to at least get laid at Homecoming instead of sitting home jerking around though that's why you take the one you can take home. we got something for nothing. i'm glad ej gaines is putting out, in other words You don't know this. lets just say, i do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 that's why you take the one you can take home. we got something for nothing. i'm glad ej gaines is putting out, in other words lets just say, i do. You may know that the Bills would not offer him a market rate contract or something to that effect. You said "never". Suffice it to say that the FO could have picked up his fifth year option. You cannot know what may have happened over those two years. If the FO played their hand correctly there is zero way to know if SW may have re signed in Buffalo IF he played well over two seasons and IF he were offered a market rate contract . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likei've Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 To have a full picture of who won the trade, I agree. But when you lose a game because you score 3 points and have to go to a rookie wr for a crucial catch, then it's ok to wonder if Sammy makes a difference. We have a high school passing attack. We didn't "have" to go to rookie for a crucial catch. He was wide open. To say you know Sammy would have been that open or that he'd catch that ball is myopic at best. When you have Taylor as your qb it doesn't matter who's out there. Run, run, throw. You're severely handicapping any receivers when the D knows you have to throw on third down. Either Taylor is that bad and they don't trust him or we have a terrible offensive scheme. Either one sucks and I'm so bummed this is what we have to look forward to all year. I thought we were done with this style of play, I thought we were "unleashing" Taylor. All smoke and mirrors. Can't even get excited about the Broncos game now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 You may know that the Bills would not offer him a market rate contract or something to that effect. You said "never". Suffice it to say that the FO could have picked up his fifth year option. You cannot know what may have happened over those two years. If the FO played their hand correctly there is zero way to know if SW may have re signed in Buffalo IF he played well over two seasons and IF he were offered a market rate contract . i will quote someone else here in a thread you might have missed. watkins was never resigning. that came from someone who doesn't miss. and i have good reason to believe them. disagree with me if you want. won't change nada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 enjoy your WRs Sammy haters!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 They're gonna get him killed on the routes they have him on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 i will quote someone else here in a thread you might have missed. watkins was never resigning. that came from someone who doesn't miss. and i have good reason to believe them. disagree with me if you want. won't change nada. Whatever, I'm not impressed. You make it sound as if it was Sammy and not the FO. Unless you or whomever heard it from SW or his agent personally , its meaningless drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) We didn't "have" to go to rookie for a crucial catch. He was wide open. To say you know Sammy would have been that open or that he'd catch that ball is myopic at best. When you have Taylor as your qb it doesn't matter who's out there. Run, run, throw. You're severely handicapping any receivers when the D knows you have to throw on third down. Either Taylor is that bad and they don't trust him or we have a terrible offensive scheme. Either one sucks and I'm so bummed this is what we have to look forward to all year. I thought we were done with this style of play, I thought we were "unleashing" Taylor. All smoke and mirrors. Can't even get excited about the Broncos game now. No offense, you either do not understand passing or you did not watch any part of the play other than the part where the ball went off Zay's hands. The film 100% shows ZJ stumble slightly on his cut just enough to throw him slightly off his route causing him to turn and spot the ball late. That is the ONLY reason it was a tough catch, not because it was a bad pass. Had Zay NOT had the sloppy cut he would have been hit right in the hands for an easy walk in TD rather than try an akward stretch. Sammy is an exceptional route runner. ZJ had an unforced sloppy cut. Its MORE than safe to say had Sammy been running that route he would have caught the ball in stride walking into the end zone because he would have ran a precise route. Furthermore, even if Sammy had the same stumble, that is very much in Sammys catch radius and would have likely still made the catch in the first place. But that point is mute, I have no doubt the route would have been crisp and it would have been an easy catch and walk in. You and a few others keep making it about the long stretch to catch the ball while completely ignoring that was SELF INFLICTED by ZJ with his poor cut and late turn for the ball, all of which happened when the ball was already in the air going to the spot where he should have been for an easy score. Edited September 18, 2017 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Sammy, 2 games, 7 catches, 88 yards, no TDs, yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Sammy, 2 games, 7 catches, 88 yards, no TDs, yawn. Getting hit hard too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) To have a full picture of who won the trade, I agree. But when you lose a game because you score 3 points and have to go to a rookie wr for a crucial catch, then it's ok to wonder if Sammy makes a difference. We have a high school passing attack. how did he do yesterday against washington? was it two catches for 30 yds? woods had one catch for 8 yrds. not trying to knock him but since goffs go to guy yesterday was everett and gurley, watkins was no real factor. as for whether the zay play would of come out differently had watkins been there. you would like to believe it would of but then again I couldn't say with certainty watkins makes that catch either. time to move on from sammy watkins. Edited September 18, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Sammy was last seen holding Josh Norman's pocket walking around the Redskins locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 watkins was never resigning here. at least we got something for him. he's the girl that was dumping us after homecoming so we danced with the other girl who we could take home. Was she limping when she dumped us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I like The Rams new helmet design. A stripe of yellow to outline the white horns would be cooler though. Just wanted to mention that. Sammy Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 watkins was never resigning here. at least we got something for him. he's the girl that was dumping us after homecoming so we danced with the other girl who we could take home. precisely. all others , hear hear, you bunch of babies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 They're gonna get him killed on the routes they have him on So far SW off to a quiet start. Only 2 targets yesterday for 30. 28 on 1 catch. Looks like he's still being underutilized just like in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) I don't see the point in wanting to know who "won" the trade. NFL trades are not made to try to fleece the other side, they are made to try to be mutually beneficial to both sides. One because everyone knows everyone in league personnel offices and information is rarely withheld when doing a deal. If a team feels they got fleeced, they won't want to do business with that team in the future. If a player is in the drug program they don't have to share that but they do. If they have long term health concerns , locker room issues, etc. they don't have to share that but they do. Teams want as many options as possible to be able to make trades - and agents are involved as well. The goal is for everyone to feel happy with what they got in the deal, not for one side to feel they got a bad deal. Ideally both teams will feel they got value in return, with the openness to do more deals in the future. It doesn't always work out that way but that's the goal. Edited September 18, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I don't see the point in wanting to know who "won" the trade. NFL trades are not made to try to fleece the other side, they are made to try to be mutually beneficial to both sides. One because everyone knows everyone in league personnel offices and information is rarely withheld when doing a deal. If a team feels they got fleeced, they won't want to do business with that team in the future. If a player is in the drug program they don't have to share that but they do. If they have long term health concerns , locker room issues, etc. they don't have to share that but they do. Teams want as many options as possible to be able to make trades - and agents are involved as well. The goal is for everyone to feel happy with what they got in the deal, not for one side to feel they got a bad deal. Ideally both teams will feel they got value in return, with the openness to do more deals in the future. It doesn't always work out that way but that's the goal. I mean.....that sounds good......but no. Nobody swung more deals than Jimmy Johnson and he made no bones about the fact that he was trying to lopsidedly win trades. Something tells me Bill Belichick felt no remorse giving the Raiders peanuts for Randy Moss or taking a first rounder from the Bills for Bledsoe when he felt Bledsoe was washed up. You have some good takes.......then you have some of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 watkins was never resigning here. at least we got something for him. he's the girl that was dumping us after homecoming so we danced with the other girl who we could take home. Okay that explains his/her hair. Still would have benn nice to at least get laid at Homecoming instead of sitting home jerking around though The girl just wanted you to pay for the limo, tux, tickets, etc but was planning on going home with someone else who would promise week on beach in south seas isle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 enjoy your WRs Sammy haters!! Don't hate him. But I dont think his 2 catches for 30 yards this week would have made a difference is this game. TT was terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I think before this season is over we are going to be really happy with zay Rookies make mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I think before this season is over we are going to be really happy with zay Rookies make mistakes I do too.......so long as he doesn't get those Josh Reed-yips. Zay had a surreal catch radius in college.......he normally catches both balls that went off his hands yesterday. Without those magic hands he's nothing special. The big issue right now is that McDermott has assembled a VERY old roster for a reason.........to avoid on-field mistakes.........and then the game comes down to a rookie making a play........that's kinda' on the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 @nflnetwork Sammy Watkins had just two targets on Sunday against the Redskins. What’s behind his slow start in 2017? : #UpToTheMinute // @wyche89 https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/910308302512205824 @RapSheet Ian Rapoport Retweeted NFL Network 7 targets, 7 catches through 2 games for Sammy Watkins. Just 2 last game was not what anyone wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 He's catching 100% of his targets? I dunno, maybe it's me, but 100% sounds kinda good. Like a trend. You might wanna try that idea a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 He's catching 100% of his targets? I dunno, maybe it's me, but 100% sounds kinda good. Like a trend. You might wanna try that idea a little more. I have a feeling you'll that this week on TNF against SF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100DollarBills Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Our QB play is flaccid so it doesn't matter who we take home. This! Who wants to take hold of a 80 year old ED Wang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 If Sammy is healthy and he has a capable QB he is a good receiver. Does anyone argue that? Sammy wasn't always healthy in Buffalo and he didn't have a QB who could throw him the ball consistently. Wish Sammy well and move on. He wasn't going to sign with the Bills. Glad they got something for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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