CommonCents Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Joe BuscagliaVerified account @JoeBuscaglia 17h17 hours ago More #Bills HC Sean McDermott says Ryan Groy is an option for right guard. Yikes. Like it's that hard to make that decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I admit I have a bad eye for judging an OL but even I could tell Duc looked absolutely awful.. Dawkins looked impressive minus 1 play. Miller looked solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rant_and_go Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Love how people think you can just move guards out to play tackle and take into no consideration arm length, footwork, or ability to play the position...they are two totally different positions... That's the problem with people playing Madden...they think they can just move anyone anywhere in real life and they'll be fine...reality is a long long way from Madden This is wrong. Versatility is a big trait to look for in olinemen. RT is not that as specialized as LT because you're not on the QBs blind side and won't be facing edge rushers who run a 4.4. Jason Peters moved from TE to LT and is one of the best ever at his position. Cowboys line moved this year. Consistenancy is big, have the same 5 starters for 16 games is huge. The backfield picks up on the nuances. But that's out the window because coaches' butt boys get the start instead of what's going to win the games. It's a game of blocking and tackling, that's it. Put your most violent goons on the field and you win. Everything else is on the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 This is wrong. Versatility is a big trait to look for in olinemen. RT is not that as specialized as LT because you're not on the QBs blind side and won't be facing edge rushers who run a 4.4. Jason Peters moved from TE to LT and is one of the best ever at his position. Cowboys line moved this year. Consistenancy is big, have the same 5 starters for 16 games is huge. The backfield picks up on the nuances. But that's out the window because coaches' butt boys get the start instead of what's going to win the games. It's a game of blocking and tackling, that's it. Put your most violent goons on the field and you win. Everything else is on the coach. There's almost no difference between LT and RT anymore with regard to what types of defenders a guy faces. Defenses will line up their best pass rusher over whichever tackle they believe they can overwhelm; that's why players like Markus Golden, Danielle Hunter, Cliff Avril, and Cameron Wake (all of whom finished in the top 6 in sacks last year) line up on the left side of their team's DL. Regardless, there are definitely traits that favor certain positions over others. Some guys have a lower center of gravity, react quicker, and locate better moving toward the center of the OL than moving away from it, and so those guys are much better-suited to play guard. Other guys have better footwork, longer arms, and require space to locate and lock onto defenders, and thus are better-suited to play tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 There's almost no difference between LT and RT anymore with regard to what types of defenders a guy faces. Defenses will line up their best pass rusher over whichever tackle they believe they can overwhelm; that's why players like Markus Golden, Danielle Hunter, Cliff Avril, and Cameron Wake (all of whom finished in the top 6 in sacks last year) line up on the left side of their team's DL. And also why more and more teams are prioritising the book end tackles as the two most important line spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Joe BuscagliaVerified account @JoeBuscaglia 17h17 hours agoMore #Bills HC Sean McDermott says Ryan Groy is an option for right guard. That's what the competition should have always been Groy vs Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 This is wrong. Versatility is a big trait to look for in olinemen. RT is not that as specialized as LT because you're not on the QBs blind side and won't be facing edge rushers who run a 4.4. Jason Peters moved from TE to LT and is one of the best ever at his position. Cowboys line moved this year. Consistenancy is big, have the same 5 starters for 16 games is huge. The backfield picks up on the nuances. But that's out the window because coaches' butt boys get the start instead of what's going to win the games. It's a game of blocking and tackling, that's it. Put your most violent goons on the field and you win. Everything else is on the coach. I generally agree with your post but will point out that Peters moved from tight end to right tackle, then to left tackle. Bandit is also correct. There is LESS of a difference between LT and RT these days, although imo one still exists. A RT can come a little closer to getting by on brute strength. A top LT absolutely must have excellent agility and mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Dawkins graded high by PFF for Ravens game at LT. That is very good news in case Glenn can't play or if Glenn could play RT . Put Miller or Groy in at RG and the OL is looking better. If they make Taylor stay in the pocket the OL is critical. I'm very impressed with Peterman so far , don't rush him till OL is solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Miller is good enough, they're just trying to evaluate for depth here. Starting lineup will be exactly the same as last year, Glenn is going to be on the field for the Jets game. Dawkins and Groy versatile backups. Everyone stop freaking out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Miller is good enough, they're just trying to evaluate for depth here. Starting lineup will be exactly the same as last year, Glenn is going to be on the field for the Jets game. Dawkins and Groy versatile backups. Everyone stop freaking out If Miller is our best option and the guy who is going to start then it makes absolutely no sense on putting Ducasse out there with the first team offense. Ever. Why do that in pre-season when the objective should be to protect your QB with the best guys? Ducasse is a major liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 If Miller is our best option and the guy who is going to start then it makes absolutely no sense on putting Ducasse out there with the first team offense. Ever. Why do that in pre-season when the objective should be to protect your QB with the best guys? Ducasse is a major liability. This is so obvious to everyone...except Rico and Castillo. I really have no clue what they see in Ducasse. I never like to take personal pot-shots, but he really is outclassed by everyone he has faced on the oppositions DL. He has no business being on an NFL field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Miller is good enough, they're just trying to evaluate for depth here. Starting lineup will be exactly the same as last year, Glenn is going to be on the field for the Jets game. Dawkins and Groy versatile backups. Everyone stop freaking out Let's hope you're right, but I think Castillo really believes in Ducasse for some unknown reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 @viccarucci McDermott says RG battle between Miller & Ducasse "still an open competition. Both will play Thurs night." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 For the love of god! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I'm predicting that Ducasse is our opening day starter at RG and Miller gets Cut. The tea leaves have been read.....and Ducasse was in the game during the TD drive last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsidethebox Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Trust the process. I believe the coaches know more than us armchair coaches. They will pick who they think is the right fit for the scheme. Maybe Miller doesn't fit the scheme. Maybe we can trade him and pick up another draft pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Time to end the RG battle. Miller in, Ducasse out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I have to believe that this was done to get Miller motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Miller had no issues tonight and had his name called out a few times about how well he was blocking and getting to the second level. Ducasse was being called out for his terrible blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 This is the most one-sided competition that I can remember. Miller is pretty good. Ducasse is atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I promised you a mea culpa if he's starting in week 1, and you shall have it. I keep trying to talk myself into alternate explanations on this one. If vlad starts week 1 there will be several spots that I've worried but given benefit of the doubt on that will come back up as major questions Trust the process. I believe the coaches know more than us armchair coaches. They will pick who they think is the right fit for the scheme. Maybe Miller doesn't fit the scheme. Maybe we can trade him and pick up another draft pick? What scheme calls for vlads skill set? Frankly, what is vlads skill set? What does he do better that the coaches would be keying in on as a core trait they seek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 The Bills have been trying too hard to justify the 3 year deal that signed Ducasse to for $3.25M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 No mas Ducassse. An extra S in there, for all that Suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 The Bills have been trying too hard to justify the 3 year deal that signed Ducasse to for $3.25MBlame the old regime! Ha! Honestly though, vlad starting week one would definitely be a MAJOR red flag about the credibility of "the process" When the entire foundation is "trust the process" then hits to its credibility are serious concerns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Blame the old regime! Ha! Honestly though, vlad starting week one would definitely be a MAJOR red flag about the credibility of "the process" When the entire foundation is "trust the process" then hits to its credibility are serious concerns Chris Williams, Vlad Ducasse so similar in so many ways. Neither one deserved a visit nevermind a contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 This is the most one-sided competition that I can remember. Miller is pretty good. Ducasse is atrocious. Like some of the old Mike Tyson fights. You'd pay about $15/second for that "competition". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 How fun was it watching Ducasse tonight from those who saw the game? I had a blast rewatching the eagles game a couple times. He's quite possibly the worst player in the NFL. He should be cut immediately. I'm also of believe that McD was just trying to light a fire in Miller. The only other possibility is that Castillo (already on my top 5 most hated Bills) told McD that he believes Ducasse is the better player and should have an opportunity to start. It's really the most lopsided "competition" ever. Only on the 2017 Bills. I'm excited about our future but I wouldn't be surprised if this season is the worst during the streak. I see a LOT more turnover this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I haven't trusted the process since they tendered MG a 5th rounder to save an extra million. I'm shocked Vlad is still on the team. McDermott needs to step in and tell Castillo to stop. I threw up in my mouth when I read that the Bills hired Castillo. I just through up in my typing the Bills hired Castillo. If this season turns out how I think it will, I pray that McD doesn't stay loyal to his friend and fired him. I needs to go ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watching since 1964 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Vlad the QB Impaler... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I haven't trusted the process since they tendered MG a 5th rounder to save an extra million. I'm shocked Vlad is still on the team. McDermott needs to step in and tell Castillo to stop. Trusting the process means waiting to see how it turns out. As it stands, JWill will make us forget MG. Just like MG made us forget KW. And like KW made us forget FJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Missed the game tonight but skimming through the game thread I see a lot of Ducasse rage and no mention of Miller. Did Miller play? With the first team? I am a little worried that Castillo likes Ducasse and we are going to have some sort of Colin Brown situation on our hands again. Just go with Groy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Just go with Groy Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Why? Because the other two aren't getting it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Because the other two aren't getting it done. How much have you watched Miller to say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 If Ducasse starts at this point, I really don't know what to say... I always like to give new coaches the benefit of the doubt but It would be a huge hit to any good will afforded to Juan Castillo. Not that it would make me lose all faith, but it sure wouldn't help build it... If they are, for whatever reason, totally opposed to starting Miller (which I don't think is the case) then they Have To find someone else besides Ducasse to play RG. I really don't know how Castillo could try and sell it that Ducasse won the competition though. I just don't see any argument for that, unless there's just something that I'm completely missing or that we are not privy to. Like I've said a few times now, I am not going to panic about this until I see Ducasse starting a regular season game over (a healthy) Miller. As of now I just can't see that happening. I sure hope I'm right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 If Ducasse starts at this point, I really don't know what to say... I always like to give new coaches the benefit of the doubt but It would be a huge hit to any good will afforded to Juan Castillo. Not that it would make me lose all faith, but it sure wouldn't help build it... If they are, for whatever reason, totally opposed to starting Miller (which I don't think is the case) then they Have To find someone else besides Ducasse to play RG. I really don't know how Castillo could try and sell it that Ducasse won the competition though. I just don't see any argument for that, unless there's just something that I'm completely missing or that we are not privy to. Like I've said a few times now, I am not going to panic about this until I see Ducasse starting a regular season game over (a healthy) Miller. As of now I just can't see that happening. I sure hope I'm right... The Jets just might give up a draft choice to name him a starter. They are all in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Because the other two aren't getting it done. Miller got it done last night he had a really good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Miller got it done last night he had a really good game. Yep. He started the game and he's won the "battle." If Vlad starts the season over a healthy Miller, then there is definitely something fishy going on there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 the only thing shocking will be if Ducasse doesn't get cut as part of sheding enough free agents to get that extra 3rd round comp pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 the only thing shocking will be if Ducasse doesn't get cut as part of sheding enough free agents to get that extra 3rd round comp pick I looked it up on OvertheCap and his $3.2M contract is very very different than the Chris Williams debacle. Basically if the Bills cut him, it looks as though their cap hit this year is $83k, $167k next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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