I don't buy the Bills aren't possibly moving

[DriveFor1Outta5]

 

 

I think the Jaguars in London is the next potential move.

 

 

 

Based on what? There's not one story of a baseball player not being able to play in Toronto and they have a much more diverse player base.

The minute a team moves to London or Mexico City is the second that I give up the NFL. It's an absolute joke. The fat pig always gets slaughtered, and the NFL is close to being the fattest pig ever.

[billsfan_34]

Well, you're wrong.

 

Let's keep this as simple as possible: you actually believe that a guy is going to spend close to $2B on sports teams, and an additional $500M on development of the downtown area, just to turn around and vacate the area? This is without considering that he'd have to sell the hockey team (probably at a loss) and pay hundreds of millions of dollars in relocation fees, plus a cool billion on a new stadium.

 

That would be one of the all-time worst business decisions in the history of business decisions.

 

And it's not going to happen.

 

Period.

 

 

Also, if we're talking about markets, why hasn't Green Bay moved?

Because GB is owned by multiple people and their market is also Milwaukee, Madison, and all of Wisconsin.

[PromoTheRobot]

If the Pegula's tried moving the Bills to Toronto, they would have to sell the Sabres as they are not allowed to own sports franchises in different areas. Between purchasing the Sabres for $190M and investing another $200M in the Harbor Center, do you really think the Pegula's are going to sell the Sabres just to move the Bills to Toronto?

That's the magic word.

[Jerry Jabber]

The Pegula's have been buying up property around the stadium, so my bet is that the new stadium will be built in Orchard Park.

[PromoTheRobot]

Because GB is owned by multiple people and their market is also Milwaukee, Madison, and all of Wisconsin.

You mean like Rochester and Toronto?

[baskingridgebillsfan]

I want believe they are not moving until Sean Spicer say they are moving

[mead107]

^{one of the new guys putting crap out for a look at me.. long off season .}

[Jerry Jabber]

I still can't believe that there are people who think there is still a possibility of the Bills moving out of the area. This was all cleared up when The Pegula's bought the team. People either have bad short-term memory or some serious anxiety issues.

[uticaclub]

The Pegulas have money outside of their team, unlike Mark Davis or the Spanos. They also bought the Bills who were valued at $900M, for $1.4B CASH, increasing the value of all the other teams. The owners will let the Pegulas take their time and do what they feel is right.

[Leroi]

Lets just enjoy the moment we're in. We cannot change what we cannot control.

 

 

Carpe Diem.

 

 

Let fate take its course and do not worry.

 

 

Que sera, sera....

 

 

 

Imo

[teef]

 

What I got was the sticking point was -- use of tax dollars to pay for it. I'm not super (financially) conservative, but I would definitely bristle at a municipal bond being used to fund a stadium in the region. The region is in a recovery phase, as I've noted elsewhere here, so I don't see a value in hitting the taxpayers with a new bill. Plus I hate the principle of private organizations using public money to build something that doesn't benefit the region on the whole, in particular outside of very specific use cases. I don't see a handful of Bills games and/or events (concerts, monster truck thingies, whatever else) as being a sufficient reason to build a stadium just for the sake of having a new one. Plus there are other logistical reasons, e.g. having to rebuild 190 or rebuilding other infrastructure in other 'burbs to support a new stadium.

this strikes me as far more reasonable as opposed to saying the money just isn't here. i'm of the group that really wouldn't mind spending some of my tax dollars on a new stadium. i'm with you in that it's tough when tax money is pushed towards private builds, but maybe that is what's needed to make the new stadium viable. i'm not sure what the hit would be per individual, but if it's in the hundred range a year, i wouldn't even notice. do the bills need a new stadium? probably not, but as mentioned, i think the nfl is going to make us lean in that direction.

I have had seasons tickets for 27 years and this team hasn't seen a playoffs in forever and probably wont for another 10 years. Just let it go, its time for the Bills to move on, sorry.

i don't believe this for a second. i'm calling fabrications.

[Dr. Who]

OP is attention grabbing bovine excrement. The junk that made BBMB such a joy.

[Jasovon]

The Pegulas bought the team partly to keep them here, they are going nowhere while they still own the team

[teef]

OP is attention grabbing bovine excrement. The junk that made BBMB such a joy.

and he keeps bringing up the same concerns over and over and over again, no matter how many times someone gives him a reasonable answer to why he's a psycho.

[xsoldier54]

I don't give a damn what Terry and Kim say. I guess some of you still believe the media and in Santa and the easter bunny. Buffalo aka WNY, can NOT afford a new stadium, sorry no. Fans in WNY can't afford PSL's and jacked up ticket prices, parking prices etc.

 

Now all of a sudden the NFL dude says its right for the Pegulas to back off working on a new stadium for awhile? Sorry folks am an old realist and right now, in light of THREE Teams moving, I say the plan is to move to Toronto.

 

The NFL wants a team there badly, they can support the new stadium, will pay to get the Bills there and it makes the NFL more money. If you buy this Bull crap of "oh they have the greatest fans, they have history there blah blah blah" I don't know what to tell you.

 

The NFL does not give one S#@! about us the fans, they don't care about the history of Buffalo. They care about money, and if they get a new stadium in a big new market by moving the Bills, the Bills are gonna move no matter what the Pegulas say publicly.

 

No go ahead and rant and whatnot on this thread, it won't matter in the long run if you do or don't. I am just looking at a financial reality with the NFL, and the WNY market.

Guess it's time for you to find a new team then. I believe the Pegulas bought both the Sabres and Bills in order to prevent exactly what you are proposing. They aren't going anywhere yet there will always be people like you who believe the sky is falling without a lick of evidence to support your claims. You probably believe it is going to rain every single day as well until the sun proves you wrong.

[TheElectricCompany]

The stadium would get little use outside of NFL games. Look at the other events some of these large venues are hosting. I think the Cowboys stadium has around 6 other events planned, and that metro is huge compared to Buffalo. It will sit vacant most of the year.

 

I would be interested in where the money would come from in a public fund scenario. This isn't Las Vegas where a small change in the hotel tax covers the gap, or a massive metro where the tax base could be spread quite wide. WNY already has some severe tax issues(property taxes are ridiculous when compared to home prices) that cannot be overlooked, and when considering investing in areas that could boost the economy, there are countless initiatives that would have far greater impact that any new stadium

 

Without getting too ahead of ourselves, it will all come down to how much money the NFL & Pegulas ask WNY for. If we play hardball with them, it wouldn't shock me if they countered with "Well, we'll relocate the team."

Edited March 28, 2017 by TheElectricCompany

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

RESIST!!!

[teef]

The stadium would get little use outside of NFL games. Look at the other events some of these large venues are hosting. I think the Cowboys stadium has around 6 other events planned, and that metro is huge compared to Buffalo.

 

I would be interested in where the money would come from in a public fund scenario. This isn't Las Vegas where a small change in the hotel tax covers the gap, or a massive metro where the tax base could be spread quite wide. WNY already has some severe tax issues(property taxes are ridiculous when compared to home prices) that cannot be overlooked.

 

Without getting too ahead of ourselves, it will all come down to how much money the NFL & Pegulas ask WNY for. If we play hardball with them, it wouldn't shock me if they countered with "Well, we'll relocate the team then."

if they outreached to private families, there are quite a few that could help. i'm not saying they would, or there would be any financial gain in them doing so, but off the top of my head local rochester families such as the galisanos, wegmans, wilmots, (who just opened up a casino along with owning a ton of business in the area, the sands, etc. again, i'm not saying they would, but the possibility of funds are present.

[Just Joshin']

The Pegulas bought the team partly to keep them here, they are going nowhere while they still own the team

Seems simple does it not..........This is supported by 3 teams moving and the Bills were never in the mix. It feels good not to worry unless you are irrational.

[PromoTheRobot]

The stadium would get little use outside of NFL games. Look at the other events some of these large venues are hosting. I think the Cowboys stadium has around 6 other events planned, and that metro is huge compared to Buffalo. It will sit vacant most of the year.

 

I would be interested in where the money would come from in a public fund scenario. This isn't Las Vegas where a small change in the hotel tax covers the gap, or a massive metro where the tax base could be spread quite wide. WNY already has some severe tax issues(property taxes are ridiculous when compared to home prices) that cannot be overlooked.

 

Without getting too ahead of ourselves, it will all come down to how much money the NFL & Pegulas ask WNY for. If we play hardball with them, it wouldn't shock me if they countered with "Well, we'll relocate the team then."

You have a D1 college team in town. That's 6 dates. Stadium hockey game? College Bowl game? Monster trucks? Wrestlemania? They'll find stuff.

[Boatdrinks]

Thanks for the new unnecessary thread lol. Seriously, you should have just added your uninformed anxieties to the Pegula topic discussing this same subject matter.

[BringBackFergy]

My cousin has a lady friend who lives in Hamilton Ontario and she told my cousin that there are three or four big bulldozers and excavators on stand by outside the Hamilton hockey rink and convention center.

 

I'll keep you guys updated.

[ChevyVanMiller]

I don't give a damn what Terry and Kim say. I guess some of you still believe the media and in Santa and the easter bunny. Buffalo aka WNY, can NOT afford a new stadium, sorry no. Fans in WNY can't afford PSL's and jacked up ticket prices, parking prices etc.

 

Now all of a sudden the NFL dude says its right for the Pegulas to back off working on a new stadium for awhile? Sorry folks am an old realist and right now, in light of THREE Teams moving, I say the plan is to move to Toronto.

 

The NFL wants a team there badly, they can support the new stadium, will pay to get the Bills there and it makes the NFL more money. If you buy this Bull crap of "oh they have the greatest fans, they have history there blah blah blah" I don't know what to tell you.

 

The NFL does not give one S#@! about us the fans, they don't care about the history of Buffalo. They care about money, and if they get a new stadium in a big new market by moving the Bills, the Bills are gonna move no matter what the Pegulas say publicly.

 

No go ahead and rant and whatnot on this thread, it won't matter in the long run if you do or don't. I am just looking at a financial reality with the NFL, and the WNY market.

 

 

Stop it!

[JMF2006]

@JasonLaCanfora Hearing rumblings that Bills could be moving.

Well if he said it you know there is absolutely no truth it;)

[Figster]

OP is attention grabbing bovine excrement. The junk that made BBMB such a joy.

BBMB didn't have Jack,

 

Even so, mods and admin can only do so much,

 

Some of these guys tip toe through the tulips so well there is practically nothing you can do to stop them.

[row_33]

read the OP, hope they aren't going for a few seconds, then move on

 

not sure why people feel a need to play Freud, say the Pledge of Allegiance and do a hula dance about the OP.

[TheElectricCompany]

You have a D1 college team in town. That's 6 dates. Stadium hockey game? College Bowl game? Monster trucks? Wrestlemania? They'll find stuff.

I wish it was that easy, but it's just not worth the effort for most events to go to venues that large.

 

Places like Denver, Dallas, Sunnyvale and Seattle have beautiful venues and hardly use them outside of football. Sure, a college football game here and there, maybe a country concert that brings the venue to 75% of capacity, but they are largely unused for 350 days of the year. These are metros with much stronger economies, more people and much better weather. What leads you to the conclusion that Buffalo could offer something these metros couldn't?

[DFT]

So..... there's no Santa? That's disappointing.

[Dr. Who]

BBMB didn't have Jack,

 

Even so, mods and admin can only do so much,

 

Some of these guys tip toe through the tulips so well there is practically nothing you can do to stop them.

I'm not blaming the mods, Figster. The BBMB became overrun with irrational, brutal folks.

I get that this is part of the internet age, I suppose, but it would be great if more decorum could be maintained here.

[TheElectricCompany]

if they outreached to private families, there are quite a few that could help. i'm not saying they would, or there would be any financial gain in them doing so, but off the top of my head local rochester families such as the galisanos, wegmans, wilmots, (who just opened up a casino along with owning a ton of business in the area, the sands, etc. again, i'm not saying they would, but the possibility of funds are present.

It could happen, but they could also ask for their share of the pot (ownership). Fresh off a purchase, the Pegulas can't be in a rush to hand out shares.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

I wish it was that easy, but it's just not worth the effort for most events to go to venues that large.

 

Places like Denver, Dallas, Sunnyvale and Seattle have beautiful venues and hardly use them outside of football. Sure, a college football game here and there, maybe a country concert that brings the venue to 75% of capacity, but they are largely unused for 350 days of the year. These are metros with much stronger economies, more people and much better weather. What leads you to the conclusion that Buffalo could offer something these metros couldn't?

It's hard to believe but Buffalo does host large events like conventions. The current BCC is in need of replacing and updating. Those elements could be incorporated into a new stadium. No it's not going to be Las Vegas but there's a reason the Pegulas are investing in Pegulaville. Edited March 28, 2017 by PromoTheRobot

[Riverboat Richie]

I'm not blaming the mods, Figster. The BBMB became overrun with irrational, brutal folks.

I get that this is part of the internet age, I suppose, but it would be great if more decorum could be maintained here.

 

There are six pages of responses mostly saying the same thing. Guess who has real control over the life and death of threads?

[aristocrat]

buffalo has a serious self esteem issue. tell the state since new york city got the billions from all profit the niagara falls creates that we want one years profit for a new stadium. It makes something like 500 mil per year.

[Dr. Who]

buffalo has a serious self esteem issue. tell the state since new york city got the billions from all profit the niagara falls creates that we want one years profit for a new stadium. It makes something like 500 mil per year.

That appears to make sense, so politicians will never go for it.

[Figster]

I'm not blaming the mods, Figster. The BBMB became overrun with irrational, brutal folks.

I get that this is part of the internet age, I suppose, but it would be great if more decorum could be maintained here.

I understand,

 

TBD has become by far the biggest Bills forums and may possibly become one of the biggest, most active sports forums in the country in my humble opinion.

 

Every troll known to mankind goes with the territory now unfortunately.

[PromoTheRobot]

buffalo has a serious self esteem issue. tell the state since new york city got the billions from all profit the niagara falls creates that we want one years profit for a new stadium. It makes something like 500 mil per year.

That's a myth. WNY is dependent on downstate taxes. In fact didn't Albany just earmark a billion dollars for Buffalo projects?

[billsfan_34]

You mean like Rochester and Toronto?

I mean their market it larger than it appears.

[TheElectricCompany]

It's hard to believe but Buffalo does host large events like conventions. The current BCC is in need of replacing and updating. Those elements could be incorporated into a new stadium. No it's not going to be Las Vegas but there's a reason the Pegulas are investing in Pegulaville.

Not hard to believe at all. Buffalo is a top 50 metro; clearly folks do more than just go to malls and eat at restaurants

 

That idea was floated in San Diego as a replacement for Qualcomm and was quickly axed. I'm not familiar with all the specifics, but it sounds like stadium floor space is not sufficient for most events. I believe the design was a multi level facility with the top "floor" being the football field, but it never really took off (when combined with San Diego not willing to open the bank vault to the Spanos family).

Edited March 28, 2017 by TheElectricCompany

[cba fan]

I don't give a damn what Terry and Kim say. I guess some of you still believe the media and in Santa and the easter bunny. Buffalo aka WNY, can NOT afford a new stadium, sorry no. Fans in WNY can't afford PSL's and jacked up ticket prices, parking prices etc.

 

Now all of a sudden the NFL dude says its right for the Pegulas to back off working on a new stadium for awhile? Sorry folks am an old realist and right now, in light of THREE Teams moving, I say the plan is to move to Toronto.

 

The NFL wants a team there badly, they can support the new stadium, will pay to get the Bills there and it makes the NFL more money. If you buy this Bull crap of "oh they have the greatest fans, they have history there blah blah blah" I don't know what to tell you.

 

The NFL does not give one S#@! about us the fans, they don't care about the history of Buffalo. They care about money, and if they get a new stadium in a big new market by moving the Bills, the Bills are gonna move no matter what the Pegulas say publicly.

 

No go ahead and rant and whatnot on this thread, it won't matter in the long run if you do or don't. I am just looking at a financial reality with the NFL, and the WNY market.

Bills are not on list for potential moves any more than Packers.

 

Packers would be the ideal move however if you want to compare. The ownership by community model of Packers means they technically can not move. They would need to dissolve the corporation and cease to exist(including Packers name)and players dispersed in a draft. Then NFL could ask for bids for expansion team. Maybe make exception and let current players go to expansion team. This would increase the windfall they would be getting substantially with good players coming along and all cites could bid. Mexico Canada Japan Europe, London Toronto Portland San Antonio.

If we are just talking about NFL wanting money then this is the logical and next move. Billions for the expansion bid as cities line up. Meets objectives NFL has now. Kill the community ownership model Packers were grandfathered in, new stadiums, get out of small markets, expand internationally, make billions more $$$$ more, etc etc etc.........No brainer in your world of thinking. Packers make very very little profit.

Edited March 28, 2017 by cba fan

[PromoTheRobot]

I mean their market it larger than it appears.

You mean like Rochester and Toronto?

 

The Bills have over 9 million people within 2 hours drive. It's not just Buffalo. If you compared regional population the Bills are one of the larger NFL markets.

Edited March 28, 2017 by PromoTheRobot