Billsfed Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 How many of you remember Jim Kelly? How many of you have no idea who Jim Kelly is?? I don't blame you Once upon a time this organization knew how to win. They essentially were the patriots of their time. The big bullies who pushed everybody around and Kelly was the in the forefront of that. A nightmare for anyone who even dared to try him We can have that again. We will have it again It will look different tho...picture the cowboys in 2016. That's your ceiling for the Bills this season What's going to afford us the chance to be good is the young guy working his way to the top. Dareus IMO will be the major recipient of his tutelage. That's what good coaching does Everyday will be a struggle no doubt, but it will also be a triumph. There's something to be said for being a professional. It all stems from our coach who is the the strong, yet silent type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 17 posts 18 threads. A man amongst boys, how do you do it!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) How does invoking Jim Kelly relate to earning the right to win? As great as Jim was I never felt he fully committed to his craft. I also don't believe Club Marv was the best coaching strategy either. If that Bills team had the kind of discipline that I think Coach McDermott is going to bring, they might have been 6X Super Bowl champs. (89-94) Edited March 19, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Kelly wasn't the football god that everyone seems to be annointing him as.. He was above average, to great at times. Four trips with no jewelry says otherwise. Â Promo said it well. Edited March 19, 2017 by George C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 It even took Jim Kelly several years to figure out it wasn't about him, it was about the team. Â The late 80's early 90's team had superior talent -- built by one of the best personnel staffs ever assembled -- Polian, Bulter, AJ Smith..etc. It took 4 years for them to assemble the parts and it took Darryl Talley to teach them how to win together. Â The current team has talent but not talent comparable to the 4X Super Bowl team and make no mistake -- talent is the most important factor, but I agree that talent without hard work, focus, sacrifice and discipline won't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Kelly wasn't the football god that everyone seems to be annointing him as.. He was above average, to great at times. Four trips with no jewelry says otherwise. Â Promo said it well. Â This is just dumb, he was a 1st ballot HOFer they don't just let above average QB's in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Â This is just dumb, he was a 1st ballot HOFer they don't just let above average QB's in. If Alex Smith went to 4 straight super bowls, would they let him in? Â Not comparing the two, just want to see what y'all think. Edited March 19, 2017 by Elite Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Kelly wasn't the football god that everyone seems to be annointing him as.. He was above average, to great at times. Four trips with no jewelry says otherwise. Â Promo said it well. Â LOL - "above average." Â One of the best QBs of his generation, first ballot HOFer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Kelly wasn't the football god that everyone seems to be annointing him as.. He was above average, to great at times. Four trips with no jewelry says otherwise. Â Promo said it well. Give me an above-average qb today like that and I'll do a standing back-flip. In the Pantheon of QBs, he sits in the top 10 all-time. I'll take that every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switz1610 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Give me an above-average qb today like that and I'll do a standing back-flip. In the Pantheon of QBs, he sits in the top 10 all-time. I'll take that every day. Â Love Jim Kelly but he's not a top 10 QB. You're out of your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 If Alex Smith went to 4 straight super bowls, would they let him in? Not comparing the two, just want to see what y'all think. Maybe, it depends . How did he do it? Was he riding the coat tails of a historically great D, like say Trent Dilfer? Let's say AS did that four years in a row. I'd say no HOF. That said, the guy hasn't managed to win a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Jim Kelly was a womanizing, boozing, self-congratulating punk from 86-96. He didn't become the man he is today till after his son was born. If we could transfer 2017 Jim Kelly into 1986 Jim Kelly I have no doubt we'd win a few championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 "Earning the right to win" is something our local wrestling coach says all the time. If it's a wrestling cliche, it makes sense McDermott uses it (I think he was a 2 time state wrestling champ). I'm good with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Kelly wasn't the football god that everyone seems to be annointing him as.. He was above average, to great at times. Four trips with no jewelry says otherwise. Â Promo said it well. HOF QB. I came to church this morning and had to witness this blasphemy?? Shame on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Jim Kelly was a womanizing, boozing, self-congratulating punk from 86-96. He didn't become the man he is today till after his son was born. If we could transfer 2017 Jim Kelly into 1986 Jim Kelly I have no doubt we'd win a few championships.What the heck has Bills fandom come to when " Kelly wasnt really that good."?The coaches not reigning him in in the first SB is why we lost. We got out played in the next two decisively!!! And Dallas was the better team in the final one. I assume you Kelly haters are TT jock sniffers. Guess what? Kelly couldn't play Defense in any of those Superbowls. He couldn't stop the run in ANY of them. All he could do was put up points. Against Washington he got the tar beaten out of him behind a leaky, injured line. Â Put the boosey, womanizing, egotistical Kelly on the Marrone / Orton team with that D and Marrone is still our coach and Swartz is still are D coordinator and the other playoff drought is broken!!!! Â To the new posters... You idiots..... Welcome to TBD😜 Edited March 19, 2017 by Buffalo Boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) What the heck has Bills fandom come to when " Kelly wasnt really that good."? The coaches not reigning him in in the first SB is why we lost. We got out played in the next two decisively!!! And Dallas was the better team in the final one. I assume you Kelly haters are TT jock sniffers. Guess what? Kelly couldn't play Defense in any of those Superbowls. He couldn't stop the run in ANY of them. All he could do was put up points. Against Washington he got the tar beaten out of him behind a leaky, injured line.  Put the boosey, womanizing, egotistical Kelly on the Marrone / Orton team with that D and Marrone is still our coach and Swartz is still are D coordinator and the other playoff drought is broken!!!!  To the new posters... You idiots..... Welcome to TBD😜 The fact Kelly had to be "reigned in" proves my point. Also bravo for turning "not the GOAT" into being a hater. Edited March 19, 2017 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 What the heck has Bills fandom come to when " Kelly wasnt really that good."? The coaches not reigning him in in the first SB is why we lost. We got out played in the next two decisively!!! And Dallas was the better team in the final one. I assume you Kelly haters are TT jock sniffers. Guess what? Kelly couldn't play Defense in any of those Superbowls. He couldn't stop the run in ANY of them. All he could do was put up points. Against Washington he got the tar beaten out of him behind a leaky, injured line. Â Put the boosey, womanizing, egotistical Kelly on the Marrone / Orton team with that D and Marrone is still our coach and Swartz is still are D coordinator and the other playoff drought is broken!!!! Â To the new posters... You idiots..... Welcome to TBD😜 We're not all idiots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Unless DC Tom calls me an idiot I will not accept it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 The fact Kelly had to be "reigned in" proves my point. Â Also bravo for turning "not the GOAT" into being a hater. What Bills QB was better than Kelly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 More likely to get Jim Kelly the sports columnist before the QB again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Kelly thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 You have a thread that questions whether people know who Jim Kelly is on a Bills message board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Jim Kelly was a womanizing, boozing, self-congratulating punk from 86-96. He didn't become the man he is today till after his son was born. If we could transfer 2017 Jim Kelly into 1986 Jim Kelly I have no doubt we'd win a few championships. Heh. Don't forget the third-person self references back then either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Ah the Kool Aid- people are drinking it already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 The topics people create in the offseason... Its way too early to be drinking the Koolaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbyte Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 How would we be 6 time SB champs? We went 4 times and were soundly beaten 3 times. Only Norman's wide right was close. We dominated a weak AFC but were not dominant in SBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I'll never forgive Skip Norman for missing that kick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 The fact Kelly had to be "reigned in" proves my point. Also bravo for turning "not the GOAT" into being a hater. McDermott over Marv is a much spicier take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 The first Super Bowl, Marv didn't have a curfew on the team and the team partied all week long and didn't take the Giants seriously after they destroyed the Raiders in the AFC Championship game and the Giants were playing with a backup QB. Also, neither the Bills coaches or players were smart enough to change their game plan when Belichek was dropping extra defenders in coverage and essentially giving the Bills the run. The second Super Bowl, you can thank Coach Dickerson for running his mouth and insulting the Hogs, plus the d-bag from Harry Connick Jr's band for moving Thurman's helmet (Thurman would have scored a long TD on the 2nd play of the game). The third Super Bowl, the Bills were outmatched, plus it didn't help that Levy only gave Reich very limited snaps as Kelly got reinjured and Reich came in and was not prepared. The fourth Super Bowl, Bills had the lead at halftime, but it could have been more if Kelly wouldn't have tried a terrible shovel pass (which Jimmy Johnson saw during Super Bowl week), plus once Thurman fumbled and Dallas recovered it and ran it back for a TD, the Bills lost their momentum and couldn't recover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I really miss football. While this is entertaining. . . . . I really miss football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 This thread has become strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Kelly wasn't the football god that everyone seems to be annointing him as.. He was above average, to great at times. Four trips with no jewelry says otherwise. Â Promo said it well. Above average?! 😂😂 How would we be 6 time SB champs? We went 4 times and were soundly beaten 3 times. Only Norman's wide right was close. We dominated a weak AFC but were not dominant in SBs. We actually also had a 14-2 record against the NFC during that run. We saved our worst game for last :/ Â Happens when you play so many football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 What Bills QB was better than Kelly? That's not the argument. The original thread topic is "earning the right to win" and then the OP cited Jim Kelly. Then I pointed out, while being successful, Kelly was not an adherent of that philosophy. Â Being the greatest Bills QB doesn't make him the paragon of achievement, or even a blueprint for the future. If anything Kelly is a moral of wasted potential. How would we be 6 time SB champs? We went 4 times and were soundly beaten 3 times. Only Norman's wide right was close. We dominated a weak AFC but were not dominant in SBs. You forget we lost a close AFC championship to the Bengals in '89. Then the infamous Harmon drop in Cleveland in '90. Then we rattled off four straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 This thread has become strangeIt's a strange world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Wish these noobs would stop starting garbage threads and "earn the right to" start one instead Edited March 19, 2017 by ndirish1978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Kelly wasn't the football god that everyone seems to be annointing him as.. He was above average, to great at times. Four trips with no jewelry says otherwise. Promo said it well. Wow what a dirtbag thing to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 That's not the argument. The original thread topic is "earning the right to win" and then the OP cited Jim Kelly. Then I pointed out, while being successful, Kelly was not an adherent of that philosophy. Â Being the greatest Bills QB doesn't make him the paragon of achievement, or even a blueprint for the future. If anything Kelly is a moral of wasted potential. Â You forget we lost a close AFC championship to the Bengals in '89. Then the infamous Harmon drop in Cleveland in '90. Then we rattled off four straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 These dudes hype Fitzpicksix and Halfrod yet bash Jimbo. Â Free comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 You said something about " not the GOAT" . He was the Bills GOAT. I do agree that the coaching at the time left something to be desired. However, Jim's learning curve was about maturity. You don't go in first ballot HOF and not have great effort. George, Cutler, these are examples of skill sets w/o effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) You could put music behind this it would actually be semi inspiring Edited March 19, 2017 by TUBSTER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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