MDH Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Provide some context as to why you believe otherwise. He was shutdown-caliber against Brown today. He's played very well in spite of the ridiculous lack of pressure by the front 7. QBs sit back there all day and he's still played very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Sorry... he may have played well the last few weeks, but I still believe he's over-rated, and he's quit on plays. Should we get rid of him? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 He's gone. He'll get Norman money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I wouldn't break bank to keep him. Keep him if we can, he's a good player and I've always said that...but lets not forget. Never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Hmm probably not a good day to be trolling anyone. You caught the ball, yay. I could not disagree more with the folks who consider him an excellent player. Good riddance to another Bill who doesn't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 My my, how the tables turn. He wanted AB, Rex let him have at it. Besides that one catch, did he let Brown have anything? They never had to test him with bell churning out yards at will It was a good game for him though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Good player- I could see hm as the kind of,guy who takes the foot off the gas once he gets paid - franchise and trade is an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Pick up E Berry or another real Saftey, and see how Gilmore and Darby look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Gilmore has earned the rep to avoid obvious PI calls. That's the kind of CB you keep.*Exactly.* Excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Per sources close with him its expected Carolina gets him. Buffalo is still an option and he is not against it. He is not a fan of Rex. He misses Dennis Thurman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Sorry... he may have played well the last few weeks, but I still believe he's over-rated, and he's quit on plays. Should we get rid of him? Probably not. Watch other teams and other non-Bills cbs, knowing that the league tries to make cbs fail. Then reconsider.Per sources close with him its expected Carolina gets him. Buffalo is still an option and he is not against it. He is not a fan of Rex. He misses Dennis Thurman. Nopt surprsing. They've paid the price for letting Norman go, and Gilmore is flat out better than Norman. Edited December 12, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Watch other teams and other non-Bills cbs, knowing that the league tries to make cbs fail. Then reconsider. Nopt surprsing. They've paid the price for letting Norman go, and Gilmore is flat out better than Norman. I'll say one thing about this board- we've been incredibly spoiled with good corner play the last decade or so... I think there are many here that don't realize what it's like to watch a team with average to poor corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'll say one thing about this board- we've been incredibly spoiled with good corner play the last decade or so... I think there are many here that don't realize what it's like to watch a team with average to poor corners Great post, NS. So true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'll say one thing about this board- we've been incredibly spoiled with good corner play the last decade or so... I think there are many here that don't realize what it's like to watch a team with average to poor corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) I'll say one thing about this board- we've been incredibly spoiled with good corner play the last decade or so... I think there are many here that don't realize what it's like to watch a team with average to poor corners We were spoiled with INDIVIDUAL PLAY over the years (Clements, Winfield, Darby (last year) etc) but NOT the actual CB/secondary as a team/unit over the last decade or so of complete failure. Edited December 12, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 They might keep him since they will be letting TT go and have the room, but it is up to Gilmore who I think won't settle for anything less than top money to stay in Buffalo. I don't care either way. maybe its my attitude after today, but i don't care either way. next He is good, but 14-15+? At that pay scale he needs to be Deion Sanders level, shutting down half the field, and he is not that. not hardly My my, how the tables turn. He wanted AB, Rex let him have at it. Besides that one catch, did he let Brown have anything? Nope. but he will be called for all the hand work next game. he has been called for it before. quite a bit actually Darby had great coverage and just missed the breakup. Because Brown is amazing. Gilmore has been playing eggcellent lately. But its contract time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 We were spoiled with INDIVIDUAL PLAY over the years (Clements, Winfield, Darby (last year) etc) but NOT the actual CB/secondary as a team/unit. Even as a unit they've rarely been poor. Add in McGee, Greer, and of course Gilmore to your list. When mckelvin is generally a low water mark for expected starting cbs across 15 years... you've been spoiled. I guess we had that year with Florence, Leo and Aaron Williams (and Justin rogers) at cb... this place hated that. Think of that year when trashing Gilmore and saying we wouldn't lose a step with a cheap vet, Darby, Robey and Seymour. maybe its my attitude after today, but i don't care either way. next not hardly Nope. but he will be called for all the hand work next game. he has been called for it before. quite a bit actually Darby had great coverage and just missed the breakup. Because Brown is amazing. Gilmore has been playing eggcellent lately. But its contract time If you tag him it's contract time again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Pick up E Berry or another real Saftey, and see how Gilmore and Darby look. Or how Seymour might look eh ? *Exactly.* Excellent post. I was considering this point by GG too Even as a unit they've rarely been poor. Add in McGee, Greer, and of course Gilmore to your list. When mckelvin is generally a low water mark for expected starting cbs across 15 years... you've been spoiled. I guess we had that year with Florence, Leo and Aaron Williams (and Justin rogers) at cb... this place hated that. Think of that year when trashing Gilmore and saying we wouldn't lose a step with a cheap vet, Darby, Robey and Seymour. If you tag him it's contract time again Lotso money and maybe an unhappy Gilmore ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'll say one thing about this board- we've been incredibly spoiled with good corner play the last decade or so... I think there are many here that don't realize what it's like to watch a team with average to poor corners Yup. CB across NFL is generally pretty damn poor. You could add RB to that conversation, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 He has been very good for years Fact Ahhh, not so fast. He was an underachieving first round pick for the first three years here. He has done well sometimes the last two years, but is still afraid to hit....might cost him big money....I understand. He is sort of like Dion Sanders in that regard, without the interceptions. Now, he has 5 this year......and counting...but, I don't think he had 5 his first 4 years. His body of work, then, is good recently, and was very average the first three years here. I would say he will get paid big....but, I would rather keep two or three other A players around and not spend the big bucks on one position. (Z Brown, for example...on a 1 year contract) The Bills have the most free agents in the league...and some will leave just because they don't want to be part of the fiasco that is the Buffalo Bills. the Bills are serving as the minor leagues for the rest of the NFL. (btw, McKelvin returns an int for a TD today....I can't recall Gilmore ever doing that in his 5 years here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Fire all coaches, especially the trainers. Our number of injuries every year is sickening. Tag Gilmore, draft WR,S,RT. Cut Tyrod and try to re-sign him to a contract he deserves, sign a vet qb and let cardale comete in camp. I thought he looked good in preseason. We have a good team, it's just better when we run a 4-3, and have coaches that preach accountability. We have no discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Ahhh, not so fast. He was an underachieving first round pick for the first three years here. He has done well sometimes the last two years, but is still afraid to hit....might cost him big money....I understand. He is sort of like Dion Sanders in that regard, without the interceptions. Now, he has 5 this year......and counting...but, I don't think he had 5 his first 4 years. His body of work, then, is good recently, and was very average the first three years here. I would say he will get paid big....but, I would rather keep two or three other A players around and not spend the big bucks on one position. (Z Brown, for example...on a 1 year contract) The Bills have the most free agents in the league...and some will leave just because they don't want to be part of the fiasco that is the Buffalo Bills. the Bills are serving as the minor leagues for the rest of the NFL. (btw, McKelvin returns an int for a TD today....I can't recall Gilmore ever doing that in his 5 years here) He is a top end CB and has been for years. Sorry you never liked his draft response and hence quick to jump when he lets up a catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Fire all coaches, especially the trainers. Our number of injuries every year is sickening. Tag Gilmore, draft WR,S,RT. Cut Tyrod and try to re-sign him to a contract he deserves, sign a vet qb and let cardale comete in camp. I thought he looked good in preseason. We have a good team, it's just better when we run a 4-3, and have coaches that preach accountability. We have no discipline. Which trainers would you like to hire to replace ours? Do you have any in mind? Let's find the best trainers and pay them whatever they want, don't be cheap Pegula! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Ahhh, not so fast. He was an underachieving first round pick for the first three years here. He has done well sometimes the last two years, but is still afraid to hit....might cost him big money....I understand. He is sort of like Dion Sanders in that regard, without the interceptions. Now, he has 5 this year......and counting...but, I don't think he had 5 his first 4 years. His body of work, then, is good recently, and was very average the first three years here. I would say he will get paid big....but, I would rather keep two or three other A players around and not spend the big bucks on one position. (Z Brown, for example...on a 1 year contract) The Bills have the most free agents in the league...and some will leave just because they don't want to be part of the fiasco that is the Buffalo Bills. the Bills are serving as the minor leagues for the rest of the NFL. (btw, McKelvin returns an int for a TD today....I can't recall Gilmore ever doing that in his 5 years here) The Bills have re-signed many of their own players. They are not a farm system. Not under Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 @BumpNrunGilm0re RT to vote me into the Pro Bowl! -#StephonGilmore #probowlvote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Pro Bowl haha, same Pro Bowl Tyrod went too? Get on the plane kid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 He has played the best football of his career over the past four weeks. He is going to make a lot of money provided he stays healthy. The Bills need cbs desperately. Will they try to keep him? nope. He will want to go to a contender as any competitive athlete would. and he will get paid. I must admit, i was super down on him, and he has 180d his game. Kid can ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 (edited) I'll say one thing about this board- we've been incredibly spoiled with good corner play the last decade or so... I think there are many here that don't realize what it's like to watch a team with average to poor cornersWhat do these teams do, lose football games? Edited December 13, 2016 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 nope. He will want to go to a contender as any competitive athlete would. and he will get paid. I must admit, i was super down on him, and he has 180d his game. Kid can ball He's not in my doghouse anymore, but he's tethered to a leash that only allows him to go 10 yards away from it. It's really funny when he gets excited, runs full speed, forgets he's attached, and SNAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 What do these teams do, lose football games? Fair- but it's typically in shootouts giving up (and gaining) a lot more passing yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Time to say goodbye to Gilmore. We need to fix what is broken and it won't involve being a winner in the next 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Bills keep him. Letting high draft picks walk is sometimes necessary. Bills need CBs and he is good. He has rebounded and improved in the second half of the season. The Bills have a pattern of drafting DBs in the tops 3 rounds, do not resign them and draft replacements. You have to keep your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 @salsports On Gilmore: I'm told Bills offered roughly $10.5M /year before season. 24's side said "no" and wanted top-5 CB $. Sides haven't talked since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I think you have to bite the bullet and pay Taylor. if he hits the market he will get paid , the good ones always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 @salsports On Gilmore: I'm told Bills offered roughly $10.5M /year before season. 24's side said "no" and wanted top-5 CB $. Sides haven't talked since So he wanted 14m per Bills offer was tied for 9th and puts him even with Bryon maxwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I think you have to bite the bullet and pay Taylor. if he hits the market he will get paid , the good ones always do. Wait you think he's good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Nailed it. The only way Gilmore will want to come back to Buffalo is top money and new staff. I thought K-9 nailed when he said he didn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Pro Bowl haha, same Pro Bowl Tyrod went too? Get on the plane kid!2nd alternate, probably a good chance he goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 So he wanted 14m per Bills offer was tied for 9th and puts him even with Bryon maxwell He is a tier above Maxwell for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoo poonani Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 To me, he seems to have regressed after Donnie Henderson was let go. The whole secondary has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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