Starting QB

[Tenhigh]

Seeing a lot of Cardale talk on the board after yesterday's game. Who does everyone feel should start vs Jax? And why? The why is very important, imo. And FYI, its a public poll...

Edited November 21, 2016 by Tenhigh

[YoloinOhio]

i missed the Cardale talk. That's pretty funny.

[Kirby Jackson]

It's very obvious that Tyrod is the answer to the poll. There is a chasm between him and the other QBs on the roster. Cardale has a ton of physical tools but is still 2 years away IMO. I like him and have seen every snap that he's ever played. He has a chance to be good but shouldn't see the field before 2018. EJ simply cant play football at this level. There is not much more to say on him.

With that being said I thought that yesterday's game was one of the worst couple of games that Tyrod has played in a Bills uniform. I judge his performance on 3 things turnovers, red zone efficiency and 3rd down efficiency. The way that the Bills offense is designed he needs to be good in those areas to have success. The turnover was a great play but a poor decision. The play (and play calling) in the red zone and on 3rd down were really bad.

Those 3 factors are what had the Bills 10th in points. When they don't execute in those areas the offense struggles.

Edited November 21, 2016 by Kirby Jackson

[papazoid]

TT until we are eliminated from playoffs.....then until we decide if we keep his contract for 2017.....then until he is injured.

 

EJ never !!

 

CJ pre season 2017

[ricojes]

TT is the best QB on this roster.

[Sanjosebillsfan]

Cardale Jones 6' 5". a Big bodied QB like Big Ben. Has a quick release of the football. A gun for an arm. Great Pocket Presence. Would like to see him with starters. Got to get better than Tyrod Taylor who showed me over and over he is not a Franchise QB.

[CardinalScotts]

didnt even vote, how does this even enter someones mind?

[Tenhigh]

didnt even vote, how does this even enter someones mind?

See the post directly above yours.

[bobobonators]

didnt even vote, how does this even enter someones mind?

Lead paint chips

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Once we're eliminated, Cardale should be playing. But Rex won't do it because he has a better chance of winning games with a more experienced quarterback. And he wants to win a few because it will make him look better once he's fired. Insofar as EJ goes, fogetit.

[quinnearlysghost88]

I want to see EJ top his last performance and go for 4 turnovers for 4 Jag TDs in 4 minutes. It's a high bar, but this kid has the guts and instincts to get it done.

[GunnerBill]

Tyrod Taylor should definitely continue to play until we are eliminated. He is still a fair bit better than EJ and we have no idea what (if anything) Cardale is, but we can guess he is raw. He should basically continue to play until we are eliminated and either:

 

(a) the organisation has made the decision to move on from Tyrod this offseason; OR

(b) the organisation has the decision to move on from Rex this offseason.

[MDH]

TT was bad yesterday but there isn't even a conversation to be had about this. He's the starter for the remainder of the season.

 

As for next year, I'm torn. You don't want to get rid of a guy who is in the top 2/3 of the NFL and it's incredibly tough to find quality QBing but the more I see of TT the less I think he'll ever be a QB who makes quick decisions and makes accurate throws - which is what you need for sustained success in the NFL.

[Chuck Wagon]

Cardale isn't ready. This isn't a Goff situation and he played a fraction of the football that guys like Wentz & Prescott have played. Cardale is well known and he's certainly got tools, but I don't see much sense in playing him as there's likely little he can show in 3-4 meaningless games that will sway the decision on him being the clear starter entering next year. Either Taylor plays himself into his contract for next year over the rest of the season or we'll be looking for a QB high in the draft or in free agency.

[JackKemp]

Tyrod is the starter the rest of the season period. The Bills have a decision to make in the off season on whether to commit to that big contract or find another QB to replace him. Given TT's paly recently there is now a chance they move on. Cardale is likely not ready until 2018, if he is ever ready.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

TT was bad yesterday but there isn't even a conversation to be had about this. He's the starter for the remainder of the season.

 

As for next year, I'm torn. You don't want to get rid of a guy who is in the top 2/3 of the NFL and it's incredibly tough to find quality QBing but the more I see of TT the less I think he'll ever be a QB who makes quick decisions and makes accurate throws - which is what you need for sustained success in the NFL.

 

There are like 6 teams looking for QBs every year. This year it'll probably be Jets, Browns, Bears, 49ers, maybe zona or Jax and i guess us. There are like no can't miss rookie QBs in this draft, and the browns 49ers jets bears get 4 shots before we would get one.

 

So that means we'd have to overpay for cutler/mccown/fitz/RG3/Kaepernick or something. And for the cutler fans - career 1-1 in playoffs, and that was 6 years ago. I just don't know if he has it in him.

 

So having watched many of those guys play... they are no more accurate than Tyrod. Without a solid WR option the bengals played press pretty much every snap to throw off his timing. It's easier to run on since you can block right off the snap, but guys were struggling to get off the line all game.

 

I'm sure there were throws to be made etc. but I also didn't think we called a particularly good game to get guys open out of press coverage. We have like 0 bunch formations, and we don't use motion enough to get people open.

 

His new contract is essentially a 2 year deal with an out in year 3. I'd pick it up.

Edited November 21, 2016 by dneveu

[ALF]

The Bills have to see if TT is worth the big contract after this season.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/

Edited November 21, 2016 by ALF

[The Wiz]

I voted for all 4 since you didn't use radio buttons

[MAJBobby]

Taylor should remain QB rest of season. There needs to be a decision on him in offseason so these next games are needed to evaluate for that decision.

[H2o]

Taylor is the best QB on the roster. We can win games with him and the defense being on top of their game. The running game and the defense are keys to our success. Clock management and keeping the other team off of the field are huge. We are a grind it out, need to win TOP, and make the most of our scoring opportunities type of team. The defense is much better than a year ago overall in my opinion. All of this doesn't change the fact that Tyrod is just a more athletic version of JP Losman.

[Tenhigh]

Taylor should remain QB rest of season. There needs to be a decision on him in offseason so these next games are needed to evaluate for that decision.

Aren't you arguing that we should get rid of him after the season and start whatever rookie we draft? Wouldn't you logically then want Cardale to finish off the season based on that point of view?

[BigBuff423]

The poll really should be for next year, but I understand why it's for next week. The issue isn't who is going to start from week to week, the issue is more long-term. Tyrod is NOT the answer long-term and every week he continues to show why....good to great QBs elevate the players, others simply play to the level that surrounds them. So, we can make all kinds of excuses for no Woods / Watkins / McCoy, yet teams like the Seahawks who routinely don't Draft WRs high and use late round or Undrafted WRs to go to and win Super Bowls.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Aren't you arguing that we should get rid of him after the season and start whatever rookie we draft? Wouldn't you logically then want Cardale to finish off the season based on that point of view?

I think Bobby has been consistent that his opinion of not taking the deal has been based on what he's seen to this point, not that they shouldn't take the deal period. I'd assume he wants to see the rest of the year to reaffirm his opinion.

[26CornerBlitz]

Is this a real question for serious consideration?

[MAJBobby]

Aren't you arguing that we should get rid of him after the season and start whatever rookie we draft? Wouldn't you logically then want Cardale to finish off the season based on that point of view?

I am arguing that I am not picking up his option. However 6 games can change that argument.

 

In 6 games if I see 5 like he played in Seattle then I am closer to paying 16M cap hit for that play.

 

He has earned this evaluation period. I also know I have still a year or two before Cardale is even close to ready to step on a field

I think Bobby has been consistent that his opinion of not taking the deal has been based on what he's seen to this point, not that they shouldn't take the deal period. I'd assume he wants to see the rest of the year to reaffirm his opinion.

Correct. Seattle game had me start thinking wow ok maybe the light is on. Maybe this is where he is going.

 

Granted came out Sunday and regressed back to where he has been so now more so thinking Seattle was the anomaly.

 

However important position (most important) so I want as many games I can see from him to finalize what I want to do with him.

 

Not like brining any other QB puts this team in the playoffs because they won't be, so last 6 games I would run a Modern NFL offense (Similar to what I did in Seattle) and help me make a decision on Tyrod going forward

[Kirby Jackson]

 

There are like 6 teams looking for QBs every year. This year it'll probably be Jets, Browns, Bears, 49ers, maybe zona or Jax and i guess us. There are like no can't miss rookie QBs in this draft, and the browns 49ers jets bears get 4 shots before we would get one.

 

So that means we'd have to overpay for cutler/mccown/fitz/RG3/Kaepernick or something. And for the cutler fans - career 1-1 in playoffs, and that was 6 years ago. I just don't know if he has it in him.

 

So having watched many of those guys play... they are no more accurate than Tyrod. Without a solid WR option the bengals played press pretty much every snap to throw off his timing. It's easier to run on since you can block right off the snap, but guys were struggling to get off the line all game.

 

I'm sure there were throws to be made etc. but I also didn't think we called a particularly good game to get guys open out of press coverage. We have like 0 bunch formations, and we don't use motion enough to get people open.

 

His new contract is essentially a 2 year deal with an out in year 3. I'd pick it up.

This is a good summation of the QB landscape. It needs to be factored in. I can't see a situation where Tyrod isn't the QB in 2017. That doesn't mean that he is perfect (at all) it just means that he is the best option.

[BuffaloFan68]

There is no doubt Tyrod should be the starter against the Jags but we really need Sammy back.

[jr1]

The Bills will win against the Jags. Bradley will talk about Blake's "grit" etc

[Tenhigh]

I am arguing that I am not picking up his option. However 6 games can change that argument.

 

In 6 games if I see 5 like he played in Seattle then I am closer to paying 16M cap hit for that play.

 

He has earned this evaluation period. I also know I have still a year or two before Cardale is even close to ready to step on a field

I was referring to your argument with John in another thread that we'd be just as well or better off starting a rookie.

[CardinalScotts]

TT was bad yesterday but there isn't even a conversation to be had about this. He's the starter for the remainder of the season.

 

As for next year, I'm torn. You don't want to get rid of a guy who is in the top 2/3 of the NFL and it's incredibly tough to find quality QBing but the more I see of TT the less I think he'll ever be a QB who makes quick decisions and makes accurate throws - which is what you need for sustained success in the NFL.

and who would you like our quarterback to throw it to?..........shown yesterday over and over and over.....we arent winning the match ups

[MAJBobby]

I was referring to your argument with John in another thread that we'd be just as well or better off starting a rookie.

You would get no drop off imo based off recent rookie play. It was in response to his statement that a rookie QB would be throwing game ending picks and we would not be where we are .500 with a rookie

and who would you like our quarterback to throw it to?..........shown yesterday over and over and over.....we arent winning the match ups

There were open WRs a lot. The All22 will confirm this

[Tenhigh]

You would get no drop off imo based off recent rookie play. It was in response to his statement that a rookie QB would be throwing game ending picks and we would not be where we are .500 with a rookie

 

There were open WRs a lot. The All22 will confirm this

But you understand that if we draft a rookie and start him that we have absolutely NO IDEA whether the part in red would be accurate, right?

Edited November 21, 2016 by Tenhigh

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[Fadingpain]

I want to see EJ top his last performance and go for 4 turnovers for 4 Jag TDs in 4 minutes. It's a high bar, but this kid has the guts and instincts to get it done.

[MAJBobby]

But you understand that if we draft a rookie and start him that we have absolutely NO IDEA whether the part in red would be accurate, right?

According to the trends in the NFL I have a very good feeling this team as built right now would be exactly .500 with even a rookie QB.

 

And yes it is my opinion based on what I see in the NFL that would be accurate.

Edited November 21, 2016 by MAJBobby

[Rico]

9 votes for EJ

[GunnerBill]

All 23 votes that are not for Tyrod are nuts. The only way EJ starts for this team again is if we are still in the hunt and Tyrod gets hurt. In that scenario they wouldn't want to throw Cardale out there. If they give up on Tyrod (no sign they will) then Cardale should play.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

There were open WRs a lot. The All22 will confirm this

 

My issue is that Goodwin and Harvin were getting pushed around off their routes a ton in bump and run. This will throw timing off - and generally force you to check down. We needed to go deep to make them pay.

[MAJBobby]

 

My issue is that Goodwin and Harvin were getting pushed around off their routes a ton in bump and run. This will throw timing off - and generally force you to check down. We needed to go deep to make them pay.

Can get pushed off your route that's fine are you at the right depth on time? For the most part they were. Maybe timing doesn't become an issue either if your QB isn't looking to Bail on the pocket immediately.

[mannc]

It's very obvious that Tyrod is the answer to the poll. There is a chasm between him and the other QBs on the roster. Cardale has a ton of physical tools but is still 2 years away IMO. I like him and have seen every snap that he's ever played. He has a chance to be good but shouldn't see the field before 2018.

Can't dispute that Cardale probably isn't ready yet, but I think there's a decent chance he would outperform TT right now. He seems to be more accurate and have better touch on short routes than TT does, and he definitely won't panic and bail on a clean pocket like TT loves to do. Cardale will probably turn the ball over more, but I bet he would put more points on the board, too.